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Quote from: Shagbeard on February 08, 2014, 03:19:17 PM

Quote from: meekon5 on February 08, 2014, 03:14:39 PM

Quote from: Shagbeard on February 08, 2014, 03:06:59 PM
..Can anyone see that the remarks like "sky daddy" are not cool and is really hurtful. It is one reason why I whom does nothing to hurt anyone nor push anyhting on anyone, feels like my being here is disgusting to some most because they hate god...

But then you're articulating your point of view and showing how it should be done.

What... huh...? Look, I am saying that it is not appreciated to see that. I am not going around doing that. Shit, what am I teaching my kids wrong to tell them not to do these kinds of things? I am just being honest and not causing trouble. Hopefully my honesty is not taken as revolt.

That's the point I'm trying to make, you're not being oppositional or revolutionary, you're just saying it upsets you. Which we should actually look at.

We're not anti-christian, and there are  others who are christian here and Dudeist. Personally I'm a Dudeist Pagan, and stand for anyone to have as many gods as you feel is necessary. I feel sorry for you christians only having the one.

Quote from: meekon5 on February 08, 2014, 03:27:43 PM

Quote from: Shagbeard on February 08, 2014, 03:19:17 PM

Quote from: meekon5 on February 08, 2014, 03:14:39 PM

Quote from: Shagbeard on February 08, 2014, 03:06:59 PM
..Can anyone see that the remarks like "sky daddy" are not cool and is really hurtful. It is one reason why I whom does nothing to hurt anyone nor push anyhting on anyone, feels like my being here is disgusting to some most because they hate god...

But then you're articulating your point of view and showing how it should be done.

What... huh...? Look, I am saying that it is not appreciated to see that. I am not going around doing that. Shit, what am I teaching my kids wrong to tell them not to do these kinds of things? I am just being honest and not causing trouble. Hopefully my honesty is not taken as revolt.

That's the point I'm trying to make, you're not being oppositional or revolutionary, you're just saying it upsets you. Which we should actually look at.

We're not anti-christian, and there are  others who are christian here and Dudeist. Personally I'm a Dudeist Pagan, and stand for anyone to have as many gods as you feel is necessary. I feel sorry for you christians only having the one.

Shite... Meekon your the only bloke that made me just stop from pulling out of here. No need to feel sorry, though. If you know anything about me I see the plural word Elohim, exactly that  I am big fan of English Folk Church which well pm me if you ever are curious on that blathering.

Quotebecause they hate god...

Shag dude - there's no hatred of God.  What there is disdain for is the behaviour of the god depicted in the Old Testament, the Torah, and the Koran. You'd be surprised how many non-theists do believe in a creative force; an energy that pervades the universe... I won't speak for anyone else on this forum because that conversation just hasn't happened, but MANY people who reject the god described in those texts previously mentioned are actually quite spiritual, moral, and loving.  You (and most Christians I chat with) tend to side-step the objections I bring up about god's behaviour in the OT. Some justify it by saying he's the creator, so he makes his own rules.  Doesn't stop anyone from seeing him as spoiled, conceited, proud, jealous, murderous, misogynistic, the list goes on.  It truly is difficult to understand someone who accepts such behaviour as okay. 

Please don't just react emotionally, feeling your faith has been insulted.  I truly am trying to hear an explanation (and justification) for the behaviour of such a god without being told - "It's a mystery...".

Again, this is NOT personal!  I think you're a cool dude...

What I am seeing again and again here is a polite discussion about points of view. Until icon jumps in kicks the hornets nest gets every one furious and then it turns nasty. Plain and simple the man is a troll looking to get a rise from people. The discussions are usually polite and considerate until he comes in ranting and people retaliate. Shagbeard your a Christian and that's cool I like you you discuss your point you don't preach and I enjoy your opinions.

Quote from: Shagbeard on February 08, 2014, 03:33:37 PM
...I see the plural word Elohim, exactly that 

There's some very interesting Jewish Feminist Archeology that claims to prove Judeism actually had a male and female deity originally.

Quote from: Shagbeard on February 08, 2014, 03:33:37 PM
I am big fan of English Folk Church which well pm me if you ever are curious on that blathering.

I have lectured on Modern Paganism before. It's a personal specialisation of mine.

Quote from: Hominid on February 08, 2014, 03:36:36 PM

Quotebecause they hate god...

Shag dude - there's no hatred of God.  What there is disdain for is the behaviour of the god depicted in the Old Testament, the Torah, and the Koran. You'd be surprised how many non-theists do believe in a creative force; an energy that pervades the universe... I won't speak for anyone else on this forum because that conversation just hasn't happened, but MANY people who reject the god described in those texts previously mentioned are actually quite spiritual, moral, and loving.  You (and most Christians I chat with) tend to side-step the objections I bring up about god's behaviour in the OT. Some justify it by saying he's the creator, so he makes his own rules.  Doesn't stop anyone from seeing him as spoiled, conceited, proud, jealous, murderous, misogynistic, the list goes on.  It truly is difficult to understand someone who accepts such behaviour as okay. 

Please don't just react emotionally, feeling your faith has been insulted.  I truly am trying to hear an explanation (and justification) for the behaviour of such a god without being told - "It's a mystery...".

I am not totally trusting of some of the old time translaters. There is proof that some changes happened, so I take the learning and teaching. I see come forward in the NT and the old is renewed. Mysteries, well, I seek and live as best I can, not making new reasonings. To me it is history by a certain view point, teaching to treat people good, metaphor to stimulate active thinking on how to do better and grow etc etc etc

QuoteMeekon your the only bloke that made me just stop from pulling out of here.

Don't pull out!  You're liked here... 

Quote from: meekon5 on February 08, 2014, 03:41:13 PM

Quote from: Shagbeard on February 08, 2014, 03:33:37 PM
...I see the plural word Elohim, exactly that 

There's some very interesting Jewish Feminist Archeology that claims to prove Judeism actually had a male and female deity originally.

Get out of town! Really, you gotta PM me some links on that.

Quote from: meekon5 on February 08, 2014, 03:41:13 PM
I have lectured on Modern Paganism before. It's a personal specialisation of mine.

So heard of EFC?

Quote from: meekon5 on February 08, 2014, 02:48:23 PM

Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 08, 2014, 02:19:24 PM
... I am not the only Dudiest in the bar who feels this way, in terms of the manner in which the mods run things here.  I only write for others who cannot (or will not) write for themselves; I am merely a mouthpiece.  And I was lurking about for a good while, before I ever started posting anything here...

Again you don't quantify this "others who cannot (or will not) write" as I said before how many of our four thousand members do you claim to represent?

This is yet another hissy fit, which even references a previous rant.

Please tell me this is not because you were not invited to become an admin when you asked for it, and was rightfully told to wind your neck in, so you're now ranting against the admins.

Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 08, 2014, 02:19:24 PM
...Yawn.  I'm gonna go take a nap.  This is starting to bore me.

No one can be as bored as the rest of us with yet another set of histrionics from yourself.

meekon5, that's weak.  I never asked to become a moderator of this forum.  That's an asinine straw-man argument from you.

Quote from: Shagbeard on February 08, 2014, 03:49:10 PM

Quote from: meekon5 on February 08, 2014, 03:41:13 PM

Quote from: Shagbeard on February 08, 2014, 03:33:37 PM
...I see the plural word Elohim, exactly that 

There's some very interesting Jewish Feminist Archeology that claims to prove Judeism actually had a male and female deity originally.

Get out of town! Really, you gotta PM me some links on that.

That's stuff from my dissertation (about twenty years ago) I will have to dig around for that.

Quote from: Shagbeard on February 08, 2014, 03:49:10 PM

Quote from: meekon5 on February 08, 2014, 03:41:13 PM
I have lectured on Modern Paganism before. It's a personal specialisation of mine.

So heard of EFC?

One of the things about modern paganism is the huge breadth of the subject. For ref (a bit long but the text of my lecture).

I will admit no I haven't heard of the EFC specifically (I'm always interested in new info), but then the head of my department was telling me about something a friend of his had been doing the weekend before. It took a while before I realised he was mispronouncing Wassale, he looked a bit disappointed that I knew what his mate had been doing.

Quote from: Hominid on February 08, 2014, 03:01:01 PM

QuoteRealistically the fact that he hasnt been punted the hell out of this community is proof of exactly how tolerant the moderators are.

Ya, I'm quite puzzled by it actually.  I refuse to leave on principle, as I don't want the little piece of shit to win.  But others aren't necessarily seeing it that way and may leave for good out of frustration.  This has to be stopped right now.

Actually, this is precisely the reason as to why I myself refuse to just "shut up and go away".  In my mind, I refuse to let the nihilist hypocrites win.

And in order for me to tell all of who who exactly that I am speaking for (the "we" that I'd mentioned) then I'd have to break confidences that I will not break.

Look at it this way: if you were to punt me for being the one who openly resists and speaks out against the forum groupthink, then all you'd have left is a handful of regular posters who all have the same basic worldview.  What are there, like ten or twelve people who post here on a regular basis?  In other words: if you banned me, then all you'd have left is a little forum clique. 

I'm not a forum troll, I'm a gadfly; that's what my name is Rev. Iconocclesiastes.  Iconoclast + Ecclesiastes = Iconocclesiastes.  Maybe I should have named myself "Rev. Gadfly" instead.  Every society needs its gadflies, in order to challenge the status quo and act as a provocateur.  Or would you prefer that everybody here agree with everybody else?

Quote from: meekon5 on February 08, 2014, 04:20:31 PM

Quote from: Shagbeard on February 08, 2014, 03:49:10 PM

Quote from: meekon5 on February 08, 2014, 03:41:13 PM

Quote from: Shagbeard on February 08, 2014, 03:33:37 PM
...I see the plural word Elohim, exactly that 

There's some very interesting Jewish Feminist Archeology that claims to prove Judeism actually had a male and female deity originally.

Get out of town! Really, you gotta PM me some links on that.

That's stuff from my dissertation (about twenty years ago) I will have to dig around for that.

Quote from: Shagbeard on February 08, 2014, 03:49:10 PM

Quote from: meekon5 on February 08, 2014, 03:41:13 PM
I have lectured on Modern Paganism before. It's a personal specialisation of mine.

So heard of EFC?

One of the things about modern paganism is the huge breadth of the subject. For ref (a bit long but the text of my lecture).

I will admit no I haven't heard of the EFC specifically (I'm always interested in new info), but then the head of my department was telling me about something a friend of his had been doing the weekend before. It took a while before I realised he was mispronouncing Wassale, he looked a bit disappointed that I knew what his mate had been doing.

Ok if you come across it let me know. I hit you up on fb so you know

Yeah the EFC is a christo heathen approach and not any real big thing outside of the site.
I will pm you the link or I can give it to you on fb. Let me know...

Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 08, 2014, 04:27:09 PM

Quote from: Hominid on February 08, 2014, 03:01:01 PM

QuoteRealistically the fact that he hasnt been punted the hell out of this community is proof of exactly how tolerant the moderators are.

Ya, I'm quite puzzled by it actually.  I refuse to leave on principle, as I don't want the little piece of shit to win.  But others aren't necessarily seeing it that way and may leave for good out of frustration.  This has to be stopped right now.

Actually, this is precisely the reason as to why I myself refuse to just "shut up and go away".  In my mind, I refuse to let the nihilist hypocrites win.

And in order for me to tell all of who who exactly that I am speaking for (the "we" that I'd mentioned) then I'd have to break confidences that I will not break.

Look at it this way: if you were to punt me for being the one who openly resists and speaks out against the forum groupthink, then all you'd have left is a handful of regular posters who all have the same basic worldview.  What are there, like ten or twelve people who post here on a regular basis?  In other words: if you banned me, then all you'd have left is a little forum clique. 

I'm not a forum troll, I'm a gadfly; that's what my name is Rev. Iconocclesiastes.  Iconoclast + Ecclesiastes = Iconocclesiastes.  Maybe I should have named myself "Rev. Gadfly" instead.  Every society needs its gadflies, in order to challenge the status quo and act as a provocateur.  Or would you prefer that everybody here agree with everybody else?

I'm the Walrus
Oh wait, no...
I'm the Shagbeard dude

Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 08, 2014, 12:58:25 PM
Most of you are merely about posting stupid little things, and busy talking about a whole lot of nothing; the whole concept of Dudeism to most of you is a fairy-tale belief that you seem think gives you an excuse to act like lazy fools.  Actually standing for anything is repulsive to you until it is to be anti-God.  You are mostly all smart-asses and pussies who are full of hatred for those who are not part of your clique.  If you call yourselves Dudiests, then I call you hypocrites and Anti-Dudes. 

Well, I ought not have called anybody "pussies".  That was out of line of me, and I regret that using choice of words.  However, I stand by the spirit of what I wrote, but not every letter of what I wrote.

Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 08, 2014, 06:03:06 PM

Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 08, 2014, 12:58:25 PM
Well, I ought not have called anybody "pussies".  That was out of line of me, and I regret that using choice of words.  However, I stand by the spirit of what I wrote, but not every letter of what I wrote.

Now, maybe the the butt-brain talking thing was over the line too...? maybe they need to not smoke the heavy Indica during waking hours.

Now Dudes, remember toke responsibly... Do not toke and drive and use Sativa in the morning and day and Indica at bedtime