Bill Nye VS Ken Hamm (Creation Museum)

[Rev. Iconocclesiastes]

Well, I ought not have called anybody "pussies".  That was out of line of me, and I regret that using choice of words.  However, I stand by the spirit of what I wrote, but not every letter of what I wrote.

Now, maybe the the butt-brain talking thing was over the line too...? maybe they need to not smoke the heavy Indica during waking hours.

Now Dudes, remember toke responsibly... Do not toke and drive and use Sativa in the morning and day and Indica at bedtime 

Huh?  Was that a typo, Shagbeard?

[Rev. Iconocclesiastes]

Please allow me to answer this question, with a question: why don't you?

Because you do not have the right to define dudeism, and tell everyone here how they're supposed to think, talk, and live.  I think the term is "holier than thou".  You've got it in spades dude.

If you don't leave voluntarily, or if you don't get punted, this will truly become the ghost town you accuse it of being.  Then you can shine your fingernails, looking at a decimated forum board, and say to yourself "Great job dude."

You won't listen to logic; you just like to fight.

One thing to add is that when we discuss these various interpretations of what Dudeism is, we sometimes make the assumption that was DB is saying, or Rev. Ed is saying, or what m5 is saying is that THEIR interpretation and opinion is THE take on Dudeism. Rev. Ed's is more proactive, engaging, and socially responsible. We do indeed need people to produce. Then we need the slackers who buy what is produced. It's a rainbow; a combination of the various colours of Dudeism is what's needed, not a single interpretation that is THE only interpretation. Of course, all within the bounds of agreed upon principles and practices of a zen approach to life...

Make sense?

Self-righteous hypocrisy from Hominid, of the Dudeism forum clique: Exhibit Number One.  What ever happened to Rev. Ed, anyway?  He seemed very level-headed, and way cool.

http://dudeism.com/smf/dudeist-spiritualism/engaged-dudeism/30/

[Shagbeard]

Well, I ought not have called anybody "pussies".  That was out of line of me, and I regret that using choice of words.  However, I stand by the spirit of what I wrote, but not every letter of what I wrote.

Now, maybe the the butt-brain talking thing was over the line too...? maybe they need to not smoke the heavy Indica during waking hours.

Now Dudes, remember toke responsibly... Do not toke and drive and use Sativa in the morning and day and Indica at bedtime 

Huh?  Was that a typo, Shagbeard?

Toke responsibly...

[Rev. Iconocclesiastes]

Toke responsibly...

Dude, I wish that I had some inhalable flora tonight.  But alas, I do not.  Oh well; I'll have more soon.  I'll just have a shot of Glenlivet instead.

[Shagbeard]

Ok so Hamm could use some Barley pop and a good J
Now, anyone else have thoughts on this thread?

[MindAbiding]

Look at it this way: if you were to punt me for being the one who openly resists and speaks out against the forum groupthink, then all you'd have left is a handful of regular posters who all have the same basic worldview.  What are there, like ten or twelve people who post here on a regular basis?  In other words: if you banned me, then all you'd have left is a little forum clique. 

But here's the thing, Dude, I (like others, I'd imagine) come to the Dudeism forum precisely because I'm interested in hearing from regular posters who are united by a common worldview, Dudeism. What you're calling a clique or groupthink is actually just people getting together to talk about a common worldview.

You seem to have different ideas about what this forum is about -- your most notable contributions are your weekly quotes from sacred scripture and your weekly outbursts about atheism, nihilism, groupthink, and the like. Somehow these have really taken center stage on the forum, which is unfortunate because they aren't of much interest to a person who's just looking for a little Dudeist companionship and they really seem to contribute to a hostile environment. That's not entirely your fault, but you are a big player in it. I'm guessing you probably wouldn't be happy with an actual peaceful series of dialogues-- you seem to really thrive on ruffling feathers and warning against the dangers of mind control.

I actually hesitate to write anything here because I know that these outbursts are how you get people to engage with you. Maybe you don't feel like you're being heard unless you're speaking with some degree of indignation about the group. I don't know, man. But what's clear to me is you want this forum to be something it's not, and you would like to have a lead role in reshaping it. That's a losing battle, Dude, and one that I wish you would abandon or take elsewhere.

On the other hand, man, if you want to talk about the art of taking it easy, strategies for dealing with your inner Walter, funny schtuff, you know the stuff Dudeism is founded on, by all means, Dude, let's do it.

[Shagbeard]

On the other hand, man, if you want to talk about the art of taking it easy, strategies for dealing with your inner Walter, funny schtuff, you know the stuff Dudeism is founded on, by all means, Dude, let's do it.

I find it frustrating to share or even talk with majority of Christians that throw science far to the side in favor of literalist view. I see the metaphor, and can not figure why they do not. I am seen as uneducated in such things or as a heretic, but not so. I just, I guess see Christianity much different than the majority and it has been this way from the get go. There have been others over the 2 millennia that have Zen Tao Jinjiao mindset and for the most part I would say Dudely. But they always are seen as heretics and what have you.

Sorry was blathering

Peace

[Rev. Iconocclesiastes]

Dudeists, Dudeists, Uber Alles...tonight I drink to the memory of August Landmesser, a Great Dude in History (in my book).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Landmesser

[Shagbeard]

Wrong board for that Icon, it is over... oh I see you put it there and here. sigh
Are you seeking attention? Go get Mary Jane and relax. No need on stepping on random threads, man.

[BikerDude]

For my part: I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than life my life as if there isn't and die to find out that there is.  And that's all I have to say about the matter.

I'm just amazed at this kind of thinking.
How does one "Decide" what to believe like picking out a tie?
I simply CAN'T believe in things that are preposterous. It's not a choice.

[Rev. Iconocclesiastes]

For my part: I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than life my life as if there isn't and die to find out that there is.  And that's all I have to say about the matter.

I'm just amazed at this kind of thinking.
How does one "Decide" what to believe like picking out a tie?
I simply CAN'T believe in things that are preposterous. It's not a choice.

Opinions are like buttholes, dude.  Everybody has one.

[BikerDude]

Seems like you guys have not been around to see that not all christian types take a word for word literal aproach to creation. I dont and know of others that dont as well. Yes there are those that will debate until blue in face that the earth is 6000 years old... Even an antiquity Jewish sage defends it by saying that during the flood something makes it impossible to see past rightly. If I come across it I will share it. However, I see the whole of the allworld or universe as being billions of years old and the earth as very old to. I do believe and I say believe as in science and faith can and do work together like Einstein and Tesla have demonstrated in their works. I believe that there is a creator, nothing that can be defined anymore than anyone can explain and understand everything in seen and unseen space. Light has a speed limit, so we have only seen as far as that limit has allowed. Our planet has been around a few billion years and man as we know perhaps about 20,000 years. It is, as far as I seen in science not been proven of any middle stages of primate to upright man with speech ability. Random mutation in an nearly over night theory is one I have heard but, that would mean we should take Marvel super heroes serious as possible. I believe that the creative force caused things to happen at certain times and by whatever means and purpose it put forth. Not being hung up or pushing this creative force has been part of select scientists that do hold belief in it and have no problem being helpful in great break throughs in science and discovery.

Hamm, to me represents a portion of bleivers, not all. He can do it till he is blue in face, but at the end of day we have to move along and deal with where the pins lay. We can point finger and say anyone that believes in higher power is like Hamm or any of the others on the literalist belief represent all of them. Or we can just say, nice opinion, and move on... Cant be getting our Walter on, nor worrying about this shit argument. Some believe in higher power some dont, but it has no bearing on being dude if one does or doesn't. Just as many Christians are uptight let, Dudeism in any of its many different members become so uptight and condescending.

Show me where the church , Vatican etc take any such less literal position and I'll listen.
If it can be shown that most neo nazi's don't hold to the Nazi ideas of Hitler change what being a Nazi means?
Of course not. It's not a chinese menu where people get to pick out what they believe.
The bible says what it says. It's not a book keeping error where they just haven't gotten around to fixing it.
I like the quote that Penn Gillette says. "How many turds can be in the pool before you refuse to jump in?"

[BikerDude]

For my part: I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than life my life as if there isn't and die to find out that there is.  And that's all I have to say about the matter.

I'm just amazed at this kind of thinking.
How does one "Decide" what to believe like picking out a tie?
I simply CAN'T believe in things that are preposterous. It's not a choice.

Opinions are like buttholes, dude.  Everybody has one.

Constructive as you always are.
Why would you bother posting something like this.
It's like you are 12 years old. There is probably nothing that is more of a cliche that the ideas and assholes thing.

[Shagbeard]

Hey, Biker Dude, I am not talking about the organization but the individuals that dont always take everything they say as absolute truth. I dont care what the organization wants to say all the time. It is called my personal opinions and beliefs, something everyone has. Or are you going to give me shit over that too?

[Rev. Iconocclesiastes]

Hey, Biker Dude, I am not talking about the organization but the individuals that dont always take everything they say as absolute truth. I dont care what the organization wants to say all the time.

You are talking (in terms of the temporal) about the difference between the messenger, and the message, yes, Shagbeard?  Do I take your meaning here?