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DigitalBuddha

July 17, 2014, 10:00:29 PM
Watch live: View of Gaza City skyline as Israel begins offensive

Watch a skyline view from Gaza City as Israel launches a ground operation on the 10th day of an offensive to stamp out rocket attacks from the Palestinian enclave...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10970066/Watch-live-View-of-Gaza-City-skyline-as-Israel-begins-offensive.html

Red Back Dragon Dude

#1
July 17, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
thankyou for shareing that dude i have been wanting news on the situation there all morning but the local news has just been a 4 hour block about the plane shot down.

jgiffin

#2
July 17, 2014, 10:51:04 PM
At this point, the humanitarian stance is to end this shit. A war is not over until both sides agree it is over or one side is exterminated. Here, we have one side that simply refuses to accept the consequences of losing wars for 70-odd years. Fine.

You keep fighting after you lose?

You keep declining detente and cease-fires?

You keep "electing" leadership dedicated to caliphates, nation-extermination, and terror?

Well, fuck you. Enjoy the flames, irradiation, and explosions. Maybe that would "moderate" half of the religious element which underlies all this nonsense. I say "half" because the god damn end-of-days chrisitians  would interpret this as proof of their own, separate, nonsense.

Maybe we have to deal with one outrageous cult at at time.

DigitalBuddha

#3
July 18, 2014, 04:06:53 AM
Welcome, dudes. 8)

Red Back Dragon Dude

#4
July 18, 2014, 05:52:57 AM
Quote from: Red Back Dragon Dude on July 17, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
thankyou for shareing that dude i have been wanting news on the situation there all morning but the local news has just been a 4 hour block about the plane shot down.

the 4 hour block has turned into ALL FREEKING DAY , do you dudes have any info on the situation there ? the local media jackals here are busy tearing the airline story too shreds >.>

meekon5

#5
July 18, 2014, 11:10:01 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=739789052751212

An interesting counter point of view on the situation.
"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and  that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
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DigitalBuddha

#6
July 18, 2014, 05:52:28 PM
 8) IMHO...

milnie

#7
July 18, 2014, 06:06:59 PM
A plane from holland to Malaysia was possibly shot down over Ukraine  by Russia or rebels
quod tendo non ut pallens adeo in terminus!

DigitalBuddha

#9
July 18, 2014, 08:29:45 PM

BrotherShamus

#10
July 19, 2014, 08:59:17 AM
I think both positions are pretty interesting, just keeping in mind that there really aren't any "good guys"
"Be excellent to each other"             

meekon5

#11
July 19, 2014, 09:35:36 AM
And as I've said before never believe what your government tells you via TV (goes for any countries), the only reason Israel exists as it does is so the US and NATO are assured a landing strip in the area.
"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and  that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
Stephen Hawking

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DigitalBuddha

#12
July 20, 2014, 02:12:42 AM
Quote from: meekon5 on July 19, 2014, 09:35:36 AM
And as I've said before never believe what your government tells you via TV (goes for any countries), the only reason Israel exists as it does is so the US and NATO are assured a landing strip in the area.

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jgiffin

#13
July 20, 2014, 12:11:33 PM
Quote from: meekon5 on July 19, 2014, 09:35:36 AM
And as I've said before never believe what your government tells you via TV (goes for any countries), the only reason Israel exists as it does is so the US and NATO are assured a landing strip in the area.

Agreed on that 100%. I trust my government (the US) and the sycophantic press corps nestled by its jackboot only slightly less than a wandering pederast who must go door-to-door in his new neighborhood to comply with Megan's Law.

But this chick from your earlier link is a bit loony. Let's take a few examples from the clip that either wrong or, worse, prove essentially the opposite of her points.

1. "Collective punishment of an entire population." Well, this is war. And, as she later states, "Hamas is the democratically-elected government of Gaza." To that extent, then, it's fair to hold the people responsible for the actions of their elected terrorists...er, leaders. I'll concede, in anticipation, that point is just as salient when applied to the US.

2. "Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on Earth." Not to quibble, but it seems generally ranked around 15th. Best I can tell, "Palestine" only makes the top 5 if sorted by features excised from, or at least not included, by her sentence. For example, it's 5th if sorted by political regions (as opposed to geographical regions - i.e., "places" in her terms) with fewer than 5 million people (she uses 1 million). Then, yes, it's pretty high. One might also suspect that a government with such high population density and a comparatively weak military would tend to refrain from antagonizing, and certainly from throwing stones at, stronger neighbors. Perhaps not.

3. "No Israelis have died as the result of Hamas rockets." I can't tell if she realizes how disingenuous this carefully-worded sentence is. In any case, it's wrong on several levels. First, there is no debate Hamas has fired hundreds, likely thousands, of rockets into Israel with lethal intent. We shouldn't congratulate Hamas on the efficacity of Israel's missile shield system. Second, are we parsing Hamas-launched rockets from those of other terror...er, political groups in Palestine? Hamas, again being the duly-elected steward of Palestinian peace, should take some responsibility for rockets launched within its borders by Al Quds, Fatah, and motley other villains over the years. Third, is she only concerned with death or are injuries, amputations, and property damage against Israelis just as damning as against Palestinians. Lastly, are rockets the sole problem? Suicide bombers are potentially lethal - and now, by the way, we have reports of them using donkeys and dogs as bomb carriers. I don't know if its true. If so, I devoutly hope I am wrong in disbelieving in hell.

5. "One is the oppressor; one is the oppressed." Is this to say "one side is winning; the other losing" or "one side is right; the other is wrong"? I don't know. But it isn't sufficiently well-reasoned to bother with.

6. "Every time israel goes on the offensive..." Because Israel is the sole aggressor? Seriously? Which of the parties has voluntarily conceded land? Which has recognized the other may exist? Which routinely informs the other where and when it will destroy buildings? Which could, if it wished, simply obliterate the other?

But, I will say the chick was pretty hot in a semi-sapphic way.

meekon5

#14
July 20, 2014, 05:11:13 PM
I didn't say I agreed with her.

I do understand the whole issue is highly emotive.

I find the Jews in Israel as problematic as the British in the Falkland Islands.

"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and  that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
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