>>> Live reports; Israel begins offensive...

[Bullett00th]

G'Day dude , you most defiantly speak your heart there but the sad truth is that islam will never forgive or forget on an international level it promotes NOT letting things go ... just the other day http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-28/an-phils-militant-attack-talipao/5629884 (that article sheds some on the ground light) with both violence and peace Islam wants the infidels (people like you and me) gone. in peace they basically want too "out breed" us bet you've noticed a lot more people with faith in islam around haven't you ? did you know they wanted too build a mega mosque just down the road from the twin towers ? just the other week sydney was filled with Muslims of the Eid al-Fitr festival in the long run we are all of us in a fight for our lives for me i'm gay that means to them that i should be killed... for loveing i should be killed to me the best thing any of us here can do is cross our fingers and wish for the monster to go away but that dosent mean we shouldent show our support for people in an active daily fight for the lives against the Islam war machine like we do here in the forums we need to let our leaders that we do not want to let islam continue too wipe us out... if anything could be called an ancient powerful weapon that's what i would be calling islam.

did i mention all of what i just said allso gives them justification to murder me ? well it does thank fuck we dont have sharia law.

the forced spread of Muslims is a different topic to be discussed, and Muslims themselves are different from each other. There?s fanatics and then there?s just believers who never want to spread their religion with violence or don?t want to spread it at all. As in, a Muslim can be a Dude because why not? There are many quotes from the Quran that promote violence towards non-believers, but some of them are taken out of context and some are just ignored by good Muslims.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130419054619AAwNQlE
Now I?m not here to justify the promotion of religious violence. Just bear in mind that Islam is a relatively young religion ? it?s about the same age that Christianity was during the dark ages, and we all know far too well what things it justified back then ? in a way far worse than what Islamic fanatics do today. A young religion is like an aggressive teenager striving for dominance and attention. Notice that the older a religion is, the more peaceful it is. Hinduism goes back to 3000 BC with its roots. How many Hindu fanatics blowing up buildings do you see in the news? There.
Again, I?m not saying there isn?t a problem and that something shouldn?t be done. I?m just saying that war isn?t this something. It doesn?t work.

is it worse to settle the question now at the expense of much life on both sides and the entire liquidation of one side (i.e., Palestinians given the current power balance), or, should we instead bear witness to a slow-motion battle which culls a significant - though lesser - percentage of every generation on both sides in perpetuity.

This is something I?ve been asking myself for some time now. I don?t know.
You can say that this is how the conflict was solved with native Americans. There?s no war now, no hate, just a black spot in history where an empire used genocide to get hold of a territory and slavery to develop it. Would it be better if people left the natives alone? We?ll never know for sure.
I?d always vouch for peace but apparently this is never the option. Killing a person who has radically different beliefs is easier than trying to find common ground with them.

This is not Islam, this is a small group of middle eastern countries that are making a lot of noise and using the excuse of their religion to cover their actions. Much like the Christian Crusades in the middle ages, land grab designed as religious right.

There! This is the truth. You can?t condemn a whole group of people for the deeds of its part.
I always say that an asshole is the most tolerant concept in the world: it doesn?t discriminate by race, gender, age, religion or any other traits. There are assholes in every group no matter how you categorize people, and if you judge the whole group by its asshole part, then we live in a world of assholes

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[DigitalBuddha]

The problem with such a statement is that it kills individuality and robs a person of a healthy pride of being what they are. Also, it is an attempt to melt everyone into one giant zero identity blob. We need diversity, we need different cultures, we need different ways of seeing things, etc. Krishnamurti's philosophy would turn humanity into an ant colony, everyone the same. Very dangerous! Differences do not have to breed violence as long as people respect the differences. And, yes; a man seeking to understand violence can indeed belong to a distinct political party, country, religion or partial system. Diversity is natural and healthy, as is a desire to be different, unique and genuine.

Under  Krishnamurti's philosophy, we should not be identifying ourselves as "Dudeists."

That's just like my opinion, man.

[Ynot Dude]

So when you don't belong to any religion, political party or country, haven't you just separated yourself from the rest of humanity. If you follow the rational of the quote, would you be being violent, then? And on a side note, I do belong to 'groups' and sadly, I understand violence all too well.
But, that's just like, my opinion, man.
Always abiding.

[DigitalBuddha]

So when you don't belong to any religion, political party or country, haven't you just separated yourself from the rest of humanity.

No, why should you be separated? You mean dudes can't belong to separate clubs, separate ideas, separate points of view and still be part of the rest of humanity? Why so?

[Ynot Dude]

No, nothing of the sort. It appears he's saying you must abandon all groups lest you be considered violent. But by relinquishing all ties wouldn't you be separating yourself and therefore should be considered violent? Or am I reading too much into this? I think I pulled a muscle in the old cranial cavity,
Always abiding.

[Masked Dude]

This may not make sense, so I apologize in advance.

For me, diversity and noticing diversity isn't a bad thing. I'm a pointillism artist, which is similar to how I see the world.

One dot is just that: one insignificant point. But together each different dot, different colors, different sizes, imperfect, different places, each one different and unique yet together  a big picture that each dot is only piece of. Each one is unique yet has one thing in common: it's a dot. Just a single imperfect silly dot in a unique position making up one beautiful image.

[Rev Doctor Abidingly]

This may not make sense, so I apologize in advance.

For me, diversity and noticing diversity isn't a bad thing. I'm a pointillism artist, which is similar to how I see the world.

One dot is just that: one insignificant point. But together each different dot, different colors, different sizes, imperfect, different places, each one different and unique yet together  a big picture that each dot is only piece of. Each one is unique yet has one thing in common: it's a dot. Just a single imperfect silly dot in a unique position making up one beautiful image.

It makes perfect sense!  This is such a great and beautiful way to look at things. If everyone in the world looked and thought about life in this way think how much better off we'd ALL be! 

Also, just wanted to say that Pointillism Art is Amazing when its finished but takes almost infinite patience to make, IMDO.  Hahaha!

[Bullett00th]

The problem with such a statement is that it kills individuality and robs a person of a healthy pride of being what they are. Also, it is an attempt to melt everyone into one giant zero identity blob. We need diversity, we need different cultures, we need different ways of seeing things, etc. Krishnamurti's philosophy would turn humanity into an ant colony, everyone the same. Very dangerous! Differences do not have to breed violence as long as people respect the differences. And, yes; a man seeking to understand violence can indeed belong to a distinct political party, country, religion or partial system. Diversity is natural and healthy, as is a desire to be different, unique and genuine.

Under  Krishnamurti's philosophy, we should not be identifying ourselves as "Dudeists."

That's just like my opinion, man.

I think you're taking his statement way too literally.
It's ok to belong to a group. it's not, I believe, ok to automatically take in all the traits of a group. THIS is when you lose your individiality - when you identify yourself with a certain group based on an amount of traits you share with its members AND just accept the group traits that would normally not drive your behavior.
This is a thin line where religion turns into fanatism, patriotism turns into nationalism and any other form of group becoming an extreme interpretation of itself.

You should hold your right to identify yourself with a group of people but remain an individual within it, and that is way more difficult than it sounds. The process of blending in a crowd is smooth and barely noticeable. And so is the process of growing hatred for another group.

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

It is the "big game v little game" as described by Ekhart Tolle.

The big game there are no labels and no groups, there just is. For this discussion in the big game we are all just human, and no other deliniating label is required, in fact it is contrary to understanding and enlightenment.

The little game is fine, make up labels, groups and rules and what ever decent thing you want to do. It is only the "little game" a hyper reality, not real just a game.

What he is saying here is that when you chose to believe the little game is real and the big game is the hyper reality, then you are carving up the true reality of us all being just humans. The act of dividing things is an act of violence in a sense, and when we cling to those division it leads to violence in actuality.

Basically this is just a rephrasing of the first verse of the Tao, there are no groups, no names and no labels, there just is the Tao.

"I am" is the only reality, every other descriptor is a hyper reality.

Thus, Dudeists exist, but Dudeism is just a hyper reality, a game, not real just something we are doing because it brings us joy. But in the end it is nothing. But as long as we recognize it is just a game then we are free to have all the fun we want. By always remembering the big game, the Tao, then all our little games can be fun and life reaffirming adventures.

[Bullett00th]

Posted a separate topic about it, then realized this song is exactly about the neverending conflicts in the land discussed.

It is the "big game v little game" as described by Ekhart Tolle.

The big game there are no labels and no groups, there just is. For this discussion in the big game we are all just human, and no other deliniating label is required, in fact it is contrary to understanding and enlightenment.

The little game is fine, make up labels, groups and rules and what ever decent thing you want to do. It is only the "little game" a hyper reality, not real just a game.

What he is saying here is that when you chose to believe the little game is real and the big game is the hyper reality, then you are carving up the true reality of us all being just humans. The act of dividing things is an act of violence in a sense, and when we cling to those division it leads to violence in actuality.

Basically this is just a rephrasing of the first verse of the Tao, there are no groups, no names and no labels, there just is the Tao.

"I am" is the only reality, every other descriptor is a hyper reality.

Thus, Dudeists exist, but Dudeism is just a hyper reality, a game, not real just something we are doing because it brings us joy. But in the end it is nothing. But as long as we recognize it is just a game then we are free to have all the fun we want. By always remembering the big game, the Tao, then all our little games can be fun and life reaffirming adventures.

That is very, very good. I need to start reading Tao te Ching...
That said I don't think we can separate ourselves from the idea of categorization yet. It will take a very long time, if it will ever happen at all...

[Ynot Dude]

Revgms, thank you, I was thinking in spirals trying to wrap my brain around it. Overthinking. I've started studying Taoism only recently, and it really makes sense to me.

[DigitalBuddha]

The game thus far...

[Nervine]

The only thing I'm gonna say about this whole circus is that both sides are wrong and it should just stop.
Why not create a new nation? Let's call it Palestisrael.
Shake hands, live together, take it easy, amen.

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

Er...I guess I would blame the extremists on both sides. Clearly there are assholes on both sides of that border. I would bet there are millions of citizens on both sides who would rather chill the fuck out and go back to doing business together, so they can all make money, not war. But Hamas sucks and so do the extremists in Israel.