>>> Live reports; Israel begins offensive...

[DigitalBuddha]

Dennis Prager offers good insight into the conflict...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEKwXsmDXOA

[meekon5]

Dennis Prager offers good insight into conflict...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEKwXsmDXOA

Thanks for that DB.

[DigitalBuddha]

Dennis Prager offers good insight into conflict...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEKwXsmDXOA

Thanks for that DB.

Welcome, M dude, 

[jgiffin]

Dennis Prager offers good insight into conflict...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEKwXsmDXOA

Thanks for that DB.

Welcome, M dude, 

Gotta give Prager credit for acknowledging it was a UN (ahem...UK/US) resolution that, basically, took half of Palestine and just called it Israel one day.  He doesn't dwell on it but that's a difficult genesis to overcome. I get the Palestinian beef there. But wars were fought and, to paraphrase Mr. Obama, wars have consequences.

[meekon5]

Dennis Prager offers good insight into conflict...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEKwXsmDXOA

Thanks for that DB.

Welcome, M dude, 

Gotta give Prager credit for acknowledging it was a UN (ahem...UK/US) resolution that, basically, took half of Palestine and just called it Israel one day.  He doesn't dwell on it but that's a difficult genesis to overcome. I get the Palestinian beef there. But wars were fought and, to paraphrase Mr. Obama, wars have consequences.

"it was a UN (ahem...UK/US) resolution that, basically, took half of Palestine and just called it Israel one day"

That's the bit that gets me.

If the US and some other country gave half of the UK back to the descendents of the Vikings because they used to run the place hundreds of years ago, I would be  a little upset.

Do remember the Jews are only one twelfth of the tribes of Israel, the tribe of Judah. So in fact are not all the descendents of Israel.

[Red Back Dragon Dude]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-22/bombardment-intense-but-necessary-say-israeli/5613428

this is a serious interview... interviewing a guy who looks just like mort from family guy >. > i wonder if they actually hand picked him or if he was the only resident that speaks English.

[jgiffin]

If the US and some other country gave half of the UK back to the descendents of the Vikings because they used to run the place hundreds of years ago, I would be  a little upset.

If vikings were a significant voting block and/or had their own PAC in US politics, I'd place the odds at about 40%. And that's taking into account the "special relationship" between the two countries.

I don't agree with Noam Chomsky much but he's on-point with regard to the ruling power structures...well, that and the whole linguistics thing.

[DigitalBuddha]

I find it a bit disturbing that for 10 years hamas, from the Gaza Strip, has rained down literately thousands of deadly missile attacks on Israel indiscriminately firing to kill anyone they can and the UN, world governments,  so-called "peace organizations, and other organizations, were not whining about "an end to the violence," but as soon as Israel (which takes up a mere two percent of the Middle East) decides to stand up and defend itself, the whole damn world is suddenly screaming for peace and blaming Israel for the conflict.

The word "BULLSHIT" comes to mind.



The History of the Middle East Conflict in 11 Minutes  - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZY8m0cm1oY

[jdurand]

Deadly?  I think the Gaza fireworks have probably killed fewer people than have died tripping over chickens.

[DigitalBuddha]

Deadly?  I think the Gaza fireworks have probably killed fewer people than have died tripping over chickens.

One missile, one death, is an act of internationally illegal aggressive war.

[Bullett00th]

IMHO...

even if this is true, it doesn't change one VERY simple thing about war: it doesn't matter 'who started first'.
hold onto your rotten tomatoes, hear me out.

it may matter for justice, but what justice are we talking about when everyone is on a quest for vengeance? what's worse, it's all justified vengeance - we have bitter people who had their friends and/or relatives taken from them by the opposite side of the conflict. probably by other people who had theirs taken by the opposite side. It's a neverending downwards spiral.
People try to figure out 'true justice' and find who's right and who's wrong by digging deep inside history, and that is not a good thing to do, because the deeper you dig, the more violent the people were, not to mention there won't be a 'black vs white' or 'good vs evil' answer there. Just a bunch of rules fighting over territory at the cost of people who didn't care for their conflict. The Dudes of different nations, views and religious beliefs.
It's them who get hurt - either physically or mentally if their close ones are hurt or killed. They don't care who and why dropped that bomb or if it was justified. They just lose everything they loved, pick a gun and fire back without a moment of doubt or mercy.

It's a neverending cycle of violence breeds violence that is usually created manually but fuelled automatically by the growing mutual hatred. This conflict won't end until one side completely destroys the other, but then the remnants of the defeted side will terrorize the victors.

I am disappointed in this world. People either never learn or don't want to. Violence as a problem solving tool is frowned upon formally, but is supported factually. Compassion is a non-existent illusion which people only seem to turn on when it's convenient and turn off once it becomes difficult.

It will only stop when people are truly ready to forgive and forget. But that of course means it never will.


P.S. an interesting read on the subject of territorial dispute between Israel and Palestine:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/disappearing-palestine-vs-jewish-loss-of-land/5354751

[Red Back Dragon Dude]

IMHO...

even if this is true, it doesn't change one VERY simple thing about war: it doesn't matter 'who started first'.
hold onto your rotten tomatoes, hear me out.

it may matter for justice, but what justice are we talking about when everyone is on a quest for vengeance? what's worse, it's all justified vengeance - we have bitter people who had their friends and/or relatives taken from them by the opposite side of the conflict. probably by other people who had theirs taken by the opposite side. It's a neverending downwards spiral.
People try to figure out 'true justice' and find who's right and who's wrong by digging deep inside history, and that is not a good thing to do, because the deeper you dig, the more violent the people were, not to mention there won't be a 'black vs white' or 'good vs evil' answer there. Just a bunch of rules fighting over territory at the cost of people who didn't care for their conflict. The Dudes of different nations, views and religious beliefs.
It's them who get hurt - either physically or mentally if their close ones are hurt or killed. They don't care who and why dropped that bomb or if it was justified. They just lose everything they loved, pick a gun and fire back without a moment of doubt or mercy.

It's a neverending cycle of violence breeds violence that is usually created manually but fuelled automatically by the growing mutual hatred. This conflict won't end until one side completely destroys the other, but then the remnants of the defeted side will terrorize the victors.

I am disappointed in this world. People either never learn or don't want to. Violence as a problem solving tool is frowned upon formally, but is supported factually. Compassion is a non-existent illusion which people only seem to turn on when it's convenient and turn off once it becomes difficult.

It will only stop when people are truly ready to forgive and forget. But that of course means it never will.


P.S. an interesting read on the subject of territorial dispute between Israel and Palestine:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/disappearing-palestine-vs-jewish-loss-of-land/5354751

G'Day dude , you most defiantly speak your heart there but the sad truth is that islam will never forgive or forget on an international level it promotes NOT letting things go ... just the other day http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-28/an-phils-militant-attack-talipao/5629884 (that article sheds some on the ground light) with both violence and peace Islam wants the infidels (people like you and me) gone. in peace they basically want too "out breed" us bet you've noticed a lot more people with faith in islam around haven't you ? did you know they wanted too build a mega mosque just down the road from the twin towers ? just the other week sydney was filled with Muslims of the Eid al-Fitr festival in the long run we are all of us in a fight for our lives for me i'm gay that means to them that i should be killed... for loveing i should be killed to me the best thing any of us here can do is cross our fingers and wish for the monster to go away but that dosent mean we shouldent show our support for people in an active daily fight for the lives against the Islam war machine like we do here in the forums we need to let our leaders that we do not want to let islam continue too wipe us out... if anything could be called an ancient powerful weapon that's what i would be calling islam.

did i mention all of what i just said allso gives them justification to murder me ? well it does thank fuck we dont have sharia law.

nother update for yall aswell

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-29/children2c-soldiers-killed-as-palestinian-fighters-cross-border/5630560

[jgiffin]

It's a neverending cycle of violence breeds violence that is usually created manually but fuelled automatically by the growing mutual hatred. This conflict won't end until one side completely destroys the other, but then the remnants of the defeted side will terrorize the victors.

Sorry for taking this quote entirely out of context but there's a nugget of truth here worth panning. Ergo, my question: is it worse to settle the question now at the expense of much life on both sides and the entire liquidation of one side (i.e., Palestinians given the current power balance), or, should we instead bear witness to a slow-motion battle which culls a significant - though lesser - percentage of every generation on both sides in perpetuity.

[meekon5]

...the sad truth is that islam will never forgive or forget on an international level...

I am sorry but you are completely wrong. This is not Islam, this is a small group of middle eastern countries that are making a lot of noise and using the excuse of their religion to cover their actions. Much like the Christian Crusades in the middle ages, land grab designed as religious right.

If this was actually in line with Islam more countries in the world would be involved.

These are Islamic states:



You are being confused by interested parties that want to undermine the few states in order to take over their oil production.

These ar the areas Western media are focusing on:

1024px-Islam_by_country_highlight by meekon5, on Flickr

IMHDO.

[Red Back Dragon Dude]

...the sad truth is that islam will never forgive or forget on an international level...

I am sorry but you are completely wrong. This is not Islam, this is a small group of middle eastern countries that are making a lot of noise and using the excuse of their religion to cover their actions. Much like the Christian Crusades in the middle ages, land grab designed as religious right.

If this was actually in line with Islam more countries in the world would be involved.

These are Islamic states:



You are being confused by interested parties that want to undermine the few states in order to take over their oil production.

These ar the areas Western media are focusing on:

1024px-Islam_by_country_highlight by meekon5, on Flickr

IMHDO.

i cant say that i can agree with your assertion that i am completely wrong... confused maybe indeed i am , mislead by the media i would defiantly say even myself with but completely wrong? well look i dont want too come too heads with any dude but lets look at this chart.



very similar to yours aint it ?