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Quote from: Busmum on June 07, 2011, 05:48:56 PM

Were you feeling attacked? If so, I'm sorry-- just enjoying the conversation/banter.

Remember when "niggardly" meant selfish?

I appreciate your condolences, Busmum. It was more a combination of attacked and lack of support. I remember "niggardly" and also "nigger-rigged." Don't know if you have that expression in the UK (that's where you are, right?).

Quote from: Outer Element on June 07, 2011, 05:33:44 PM

Quote from: Caesar dude on June 07, 2011, 05:22:11 PM
I'll accept your point there Outer and could see how you you might take mine and others use of the word cunt as a direct dig at you. But I don't think that's the case.

My use of the word cunt in my post is because it's the most vile, degrading, filthy word I know and wholly and completely describes the bastards I was referring to.

Cunt is not misogynist unless it is being aimed at a woman.

Nigger (and I do  not apologise as I am using a word and not referencing) is not racist if it is aimed at a caucasion. (sic)

Hope this clears things up at least from me. I have no problem disagreeing with a point and remaining civil but I don't think there is any uncalled for aggression here man.

Peace

Thanks, Caesar dude. I did not feel like you were attacking me, and appreciate your mellow posture. And while I disagree, in part, with your points regarding undue aggression and cunt not being misogynist unless it's directed at a woman, I can accept that this is your opinion. So we're cool.

Yeah... remember you can always report to the moderator if you feel the agression is over the line...

Quote from: Busmum on June 07, 2011, 08:10:39 PM

Thanks--guess I'd rather try to sort it out first.

Yeah... remember you can always report to the moderator if you feel the agression is over the line...

Well, I wanna watch-- I love a good sorting!

Quote from: Outer Element on June 07, 2011, 06:59:02 PM

Quote from: Busmum on June 07, 2011, 05:48:56 PM

Were you feeling attacked? If so, I'm sorry-- just enjoying the conversation/banter.

Remember when "niggardly" meant selfish?

I appreciate your condolences, Busmum. It was more a combination of attacked and lack of support. I remember "niggardly" and also "nigger-rigged." Don't know if you have that expression in the UK (that's where you are, right?).

Actually, I'm a yank, but I'm married to a brit... which is why I understand the usage of the"c-word" and his intent

...and I'm an educator, so I really get my hackles raised when it comes to kids. My work mate told me today that one time, one of the nuns at her school refused to let her go to the toilet--she "pooped her pants" and they wouldn't let her go home and change...had to sit there for the rest of the day to "learn her lesson".

That's one of the reasons why she left the fold, and not even the most compelling one.

Systemic abuse isn't always sexual- but kids can't get away like adults can.

Quote from: Busmum on June 07, 2011, 09:12:48 PM

Actually, I'm a yank, but I'm married to a brit... which is why I understand the usage of the"c-word" and his intent

...and I'm an educator, so I really get my hackles raised when it comes to kids. My work mate told me today that one time, one of the nuns at her school refused to let her go to the toilet--she "pooped her pants" and they wouldn't let her go home and change...had to sit there for the rest of the day to "learn her lesson".

That's one of the reasons why she left the fold, and not even the most compelling one.

I know a few Catholics and ex-Catholics, and am also a teacher. I've heard a lot of stories about parochial schools and also the Catholic church--ridiculous stuff. I doubt that even one of the people I know who remains Catholic would hesitate to report an incident that caused harm to a child once they knew about it or even suspected it. That's why I don't like it when all Catholics are being put in the same category as Catholic leaders who are perpetrators or who protect perpetrators. I'm also pretty sure that there are tons of Catholic priests who wouldn't harm kids in any way. And there are plenty of people trying to change the Catholic church from within.

I recently heard a speaker at a spirituality conference who said that she had witnessed a lot of infighting between activist groups working on the same problem in different ways. This was an LGBT activist in particular, and a minister. She listed 4 different approaches to creating change, all valid in her view. She felt that they all need to be employed, and I agree with her. Secession is only one of the ways that can be effective.

Quote from: cakebelly on June 05, 2011, 02:20:09 PM
@ Dave: Shit, Dude, that's fuckin' tough, man. If I may ask, what happened to the molester: arrested, de-frocked or quietly moved somewhere else? To have one's trust broken in such a fashion is, I imagine, a catastrophic blow - that will echo throughout one's life. Was the victim given all the help possible? If replying to this brings back memories you'd rather not air that's okay, man. I would (although I hesitate to offer any advice, would seem rather arrogant of me) say that it sounds as if you had a decent enough time there (up until the incident) and that you got yourself a good education. It may all feel tainted and useless but maybe the sands of time will blow some of the hurt and betrayal away long enough for you to spy a long lost moment of happiness or joy: gleaming away, in the hope that you'll pick it up and treasure it again . . maybe, you know. Thanks for sharing, Dude, abide.

(Will respond to the rest later on today or tomorrow - my girls are currently making a play date for the park on the phone).  

From what I know, the Molester dropped out of the Brotherhood, ended up marrying one of the female teachers??? and went to the USA for sex addiction treatment???  He was later charged with what he did.   Details are sketchy because the Church mainly keeps it out of the papers. The Media helps keep this shit silent.

I didn't know much about the victim, but the other day when I mentioned our ex-principal to a former school mate on facebook, he sent me a private message saying that dude is now his Brother in Law!  

Apparently the dude was really bitter about the Catholic Church, and my mate wanted to know why, and dude confided that it was him that got molested.

Whatever the institution, the 'victim' always comes off second best.

I knew someone for awhile who got molested by a nun. Now, that angle doesn't make the headlines.

Quote from: Outer Element on June 07, 2011, 10:37:24 PM

I've heard a lot of stories about parochial schools and also the Catholic church--ridiculous stuff.

I just want to clarify that what I meant by "ridiculous" was "ridiculously fascist." No child should be treated in the ways that we're talking about here.

Parochial students came into the public schools in grade 9 in my home town, and they had a reputation of being "trouble-makers"--although I'm sure not all of them were, and there certainly students of the wild variety who had only attended public schools. I'm inclined to think that mistreatment by authority figures and too many nonsensically strict rules had a lot to do with this kind of thing.

Wow, lot of stuff going on about one post about "all catholics" and "not being the preferred nomenclature" man! But I get the drift, and I agree with most of it.
Anyway, about fucking fascists: how bout parking controlers? (I don't know how you call them in the USA but I mean the fucks who go around waiting 'till your car is parked one minute too long and give you a fine!

Quote from: Outer Element on June 07, 2011, 10:45:01 PM
I knew someone for awhile who got molested by a nun. Now, that angle doesn't make the headlines.

There is a lot more Female pedophiles coming to light, and it seems to shock the general public that such a thing can exist.

even this article starts from the premise that most are male:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8022861.stm

But this has been raising doubts:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2011/may/26/breaking-female-paedophilia-ring-review

(or http://www.channel4.com/programmes/breaking-a-female-paedophile-ring)

Again i think females may have gotten away with this for longer because of the cultural doubt, and (back to one of my favourite topics) like female husband beaters, the endemic culture ridicules the abused individual, for instance see the number of articles in the gutter press almost praising one teacher or another for having an affair with a student, instead of questioning the ethics and whether it is actually an abusive relationship.

From what I know, the Molester dropped out of the Brotherhood, ended up marrying one of the female teachers??? and went to the USA for sex addiction treatment???  He was later charged with what he did.   Details are sketchy because the Church mainly keeps it out of the papers. The Media helps keep this shit silent.

I didn't know much about the victim, but the other day when I mentioned our ex-principal to a former school mate on facebook, he sent me a private message saying that dude is now his Brother in Law!  

Apparently the dude was really bitter about the Catholic Church, and my mate wanted to know why, and dude confided that it was him that got molested.

Whatever the institution, the 'victim' always comes off second best.


Sorry it has taken me awhile to respond, Dude - blimey, small world; glad the fucker got what was coming to him. That probably doesn't make the victim feel any better, though. Hopefully he'll be able to purge the bad memories and get on with his life happily. Thanks for responding.

@ Outer Limit: There may be those who think they are changing the system from within - well, good luck with that. There may be those who say they are opposed to the non-action of the hierarchy (in this matter) and yet remain in the Church and have a few coffee mornings to discuss (or pray) for change. Okay, good luck with that, too. You may all get together every second week, sit round a campfire and sing kumbaya and congratulate each other on your radical views. Such pathetic reaction, IMO (see what I did there?), changes and serves nothing. Well, I guess it serves to help hold the children down while they are being molested - for all the good it does. It may, however, help when combined with a more direct dissent: to  create a wave of repulsion that swells and rises to a tsunami of righteous indignation that will strike against the walls of their palaces (Christian palaces, I ask you I thought  the only temple Jesus required was the temple of the body faithful ) and bring them crashing down. Jesus was pissed-off enough to lose his inner-Dude at the money-lenders. Imagine what he's do (or say) to child-rapists. Would he sing a few rounds of kumbaya or get his ass-kicking sandals on? I don't think, when he said: 'suffer the little children to come unto me" it was so he could rape them.  Is it really radical to use the word "cunt" in such circumstances? Surely it's just a pebble of dissent hurled at the (apparently) impregnable walls of the Catholic Bastille. Let the kumbayas continue, let the murmurs grow to a sustained hum of contempt and let those who would protest in other ways surf that wave as they will. Do try to avoid suggesting others are haters because they choose (in the matter of child rape) to protest in their own way; as if there is a fucking rule book when it comes to pederasty and those who have taken holy orders. Same lines and laws for everyone.

Now I'll say it one more time (with a slight compromise): if you are a Roman Catholic and are not engaged in some form of dissent at your church's official position on rapists then you are a paracunt. If you feel you have been personally attacked then you have not been reading carefully enough. You have choices to reset your upset: accept that this is just my opinion, ignore the posts completely  or just say 'fuck it' and go bowling.

@M5 - You are quite right there are as many female abusers as there are male.
@Busmum - You are quite right, abuse isn't always sexual.

Any Christian who is not a hero is a pig Leon Bloy

Quote from: meekon5 on June 09, 2011, 12:50:38 PM

Quote from: Outer Element on June 07, 2011, 10:45:01 PM
I knew someone for awhile who got molested by a nun. Now, that angle doesn't make the headlines.

There is a lot more Female pedophiles coming to light, and it seems to shock the general public that such a thing can exist.

...respectfully snipped...

Again i think females may have gotten away with this for longer because of the cultural doubt, and (back to one of my favourite topics) like female husband beaters, the endemic culture ridicules the abused individual, for instance see the number of articles in the gutter press almost praising one teacher or another for having an affair with a student, instead of questioning the ethics and whether it is actually an abusive relationship.

quite right meekon5... i think that female molesters have always been there... but when you're a 14 yr old boy with jiz to spare... we, as a society, tend to view that boy as rather lucky, instead of a victim. i mean really--he just got his rocks off by someone other than himself! woot!

humor aside, the adult in question is a very sick person; using their position of authority to achieve sexual gratification (regardless of the gender roles) is just plain wrong. it's interesting to note that in my school district, more females have been fired for sexually inappropriate behavior than men in the last 10 years-- and the victims were both male and female. believe me, these assholes were not praised for their activities in any way, shape, or form. the number of teachers fired for this type of conduct should be zero. less then zero, even!

food for thought.

...and...er... what color panties are you wearing, hmmmmm? 

Quote from: cakebelly on June 27, 2011, 05:12:32 PM
From what I know, the Molester dropped out of the Brotherhood, ended up marrying one of the female teachers??? and went to the USA for sex addiction treatment???  He was later charged with what he did.   Details are sketchy because the Church mainly keeps it out of the papers. The Media helps keep this shit silent.

I didn't know much about the victim, but the other day when I mentioned our ex-principal to a former school mate on facebook, he sent me a private message saying that dude is now his Brother in Law! 

Apparently the dude was really bitter about the Catholic Church, and my mate wanted to know why, and dude confided that it was him that got molested.

Whatever the institution, the 'victim' always comes off second best.


Sorry it has taken me awhile to respond, Dude - blimey, small world; glad the fucker got what was coming to him. That probably doesn't make the victim feel any better, though. Hopefully he'll be able to purge the bad memories and get on with his life happily.

@ Outer Limit: There may be those who think they are changing the system from within - well, good luck with that. There may be those who say they are opposed to the non-action of the hierarchy (in this matter) and yet remain in the Church and have a few coffee mornings to discuss (or pray) for change. Okay, good luck with that, too. You may all get together every second week, sit round a campfire and sing kumbaya and congratulate each other on your radical views. Such pathetic reaction, IMO (see what I did there?), changes and serves nothing. Well, I guess it serves to help hold the children down while they are being molested - for all the good it does. It may, however, help when combined with a more direct dissent. It may help create a wave of repulsion that swells and rises to a tsunami of righteous indignation that will strike against the walls of their palaces (Christian palaces, I ask you I thought  the only temple Jesus required was the temple of the body faithful ) and bring them crashing down. Jesus was pissed-off enough to lose his inner-Dude at the money-lenders. Imagine what he's do (or say) to child-rapists. Would he sing a few rounds of kumbaya or get his ass-kicking sandals on? I don't think, when he said: 'suffer the little children to come unto me" it was so he could rape them.  Is it really radical to use the word "cunt" in such circumstances? Surely it's just a pebble of dissent hurled at the (apparently) impregnable walls of the Catholic Bastille. Let the kumbayas continue, let the murmurs grow to a sustained hum of contempt and let those who would protest in other ways surf that wave as they will. Do try to avoid suggesting others are haters because they choose (in the matter of child rape) to protest in their own way; as if there is a fucking rule book when it comes to pederasty and those who have taken holy orders. Same lines and laws for everyone.

Now I'll say it one more time (with a slight compromise): if you are a Roman Catholic and are not engaged in some form of dissent at your church's official position on rapists then you are a paracunt. If you feel you have been personally attacked then you have not been reading carefully enough. You have a choice to reset your upset: accept that this is just my opinion, ignore the posts completely and go on about your day or just say 'fuck it' and go bowling.

@M5 - You are quite right there are as many female abusers as there are male.
@Busmum - You are quite right, abuse isn't always sexual.

Any Christian who is not a hero is a pig Leon Bloy

rock on, dude... rock fuckin' on!