The Dudeism Forum

 @ CC - good one, shall have to file that away
@CD - You know f'n what Dude, you were right to call me on it; on reflection it was a shabby post (more so than usual for me). I should be a little more careful - especially with the wikileaks saga rolling, at the moment. One thing the world doesn't need is another forum filled with wild accusations. I should have checked the source. At the time I was having a kind of posting fit: clipping stuff from one site to put on another, sending people the Assange wanted poster, and trying to drum up trade for the Abideist channel (incidentally, you appear in the Winter Dude Festival one). I sent the wrong link to several people and got my ear bent again by a friend who is an amateur physicist (I'll include some of the post - as a kind of penance . . a Dude hair-shirt, if you will  ). As I said, never stop questioning, especially other Dudes . . if we can't do that here, then what's the effing point (there's only a handful of us anyway, mang). So, kudos to you, no harm, no foul, abide.

"Ah, the doomsdayers are still at it I see - grabbing at straws, making mountains of molehills - the sky is falling, the sky is falling.  Those of us with an interest in space exploration who've been watching every piece of fim or video about the space program (including its failures) from its inception to present day that they could find in their 43-year life as well as those of us who've been in company with rocket and fireworks enthusiasts (some of them educated chemists, as you'd expect) whose lives were consumed with propulsion and explosion - we strange creatures can immediately determine that the debris trails (and, yes, there are two... of varying colors) clearly indicate a self-propelled projectile malfunctioning.  The white spiral is the side-venting malfunction.  Whites and yellows are most common in propulsion fuels - they indicate the cheaper (more affordable) propulsion agents.  The kicker is the blue-ish propulsion trail.  There are few chemicals that yield a blue color when burned.  They're not cheap nor easily had by enthusiasts or even professionals - that's why you don't see a notable ratio of blue in fireworks displays, not even the really big municipal variety displays.  It's just plain expensive and not necessarily easy to work with (as a chemist)."

part two (hair shirt):
"Actually, what the spiral shows to anyone the least in the know (that would be folks like me) is that this projectile (missile, rocket or what have you that belonged to the Russians, the Knights Templar or Bugs Bunny) was not only costly but also meant to be really, really fast.  Again, it's the blue stuff that was clearly intended to be mixed with the white, apparently on board during flight rather than premixed.  If it burns blue, it burns up superfast, a lot faster than the white stuff, and superhot.  (The blue shit's also more dangerous to work with - a bit complicated and unleashes a LOT of energy, the kind that even in a small firework can take off a couple of fingers and cripple a hand for life - a very few were willing to work with blue.)  That would explain why it might need to be "fed" to the fuel mixture during flight rather than premixed, especially if you're dealing with any notable quantity of the stuff.  It would have been an additional catalyst rather than a fuel base - the "umph".  It would also explain why a malfunction of such a design would yield two separate yet simultaneous burns that, oddly enough, burn out at different times (only further evidence).  The blue burned out a little before the white.  No one designs a projectile to slow down before it reaches its destination.  Obviously, the blue and white were intended to run out at the same time, to be precisely blended during the burn.  My bet is that projectile was originally designed to be a hell of a lot farther away when the fuel ran out, instead of the whole flight sitting in one camera frame - talk about a flop.  A line ruptured, a seam burst - something broke.  The blue-burning compound "hogged" the primary escape route (the exhaust) to become the sole propellant (not its primary function or purpose).  An onboard minor catastrophe, likely at launch or right after, sent the white-burning base propellant venting out the side as the blue-burning booster "took over" the exhaust by sheer chemical force.  (There's surely a bad valve involved there somewhere.)  And afterward, I'll bet somebody was getting thumped in the head and sent back to the drawing board, the guy who hit him cursing again when he realized there was very public world-wide video circulation of the event... because they must allow that any amateur chemist or enthusiast will realize what they were likely seeing and because they KNOW that any educated professional can sit down with that video and their own educated spectral-analysis skills and knowledge of burn speeds to calculate exactly what was meant to happen instead.  They're secrets (whoever they are) are out.  "Somebody" is designing a lateral-flying projectile (be it rocket, missile or firecracker on a stick) meant to be faster (and probably more nimble and less noticeable) than the competition.  In a world of patriot missiles and strategic defense intitiatives, that means the next step has begun.  Somebody's working on the better mousetrap.  And you can bet your life that every weapons-building society on the face of this planet is paying attention.  They're also keeping their heads down while they go about it, I'm sure - it's just their way.  And some poor schmuck's ass probably got into some seriously deep shit over this little fuckup - likely a whole team of meek little geeks.  I can just picture them, jaws hanging and brows furrowed - consumed by the "uh-oh" effect.  I can't help but giggle.  As for the so-called "theories" in circulation among the tabula rasa, it's just another laugh."

Hey man no need for the penance...we both learned shit....every day's a school day! But can I quote your email?

Now some real interesting shit........

I've been aware of OOPAs (out of place articles) for many years now and have often pondered on the cyclic nature of time and our place on the planet....after all with 4 billion years to play with, humanity and civilisations have had enough time to rise and fall leaving no trace behind them....

Ah fuck it read the article...  

Quotehttp://www.forgottenagesresearch.com/out-of-place-artifacts-series/Deep-Time-Out-of-Place-ArtifactsFour-Interpretatio.htm

Peace dudes....both past present and dudes yet to come... 

I wonder if anyone will discover evidence of an ancient dude? Or ancient dudeism? Cave dude?

Far out, shit.

"There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." ? William Shakespeare

CD: Quote my email? What for, Dude? Who is going to be sending me emails? If you meant the Abideist Channel links then go right ahead, Dude OOPAs  - endlessly fascinating topic. Will try and posts some links in the week

DB: Quite a few ancient Dudes have been found (well, I recall a couple): I think it was in China, last year, the remains of a (female) Shaman were found - among the artifacts found with her was a stash of choice marijuana. Again, I'll try and find the links and post later.

QuoteWho is going to be sending me emails?

No man...I meant can I quote the article you posted as your dude hair shirt....I thought it was from a private email you'd been sent.... Doh! I must make myself more clearly understood!

In peace Reverend.

J.

Doh! I guess you can quote from it (although I didn't even get permission to reprint it here - although I told her I was going to); but I shouldn't give out her name . . I guess you could quote 'anonymous'.

  Burning Man 2010 Pics:http://acidcow.com/pics/15664-burning-man-168-pics.html

Quote from: cakebelly on December 13, 2010, 02:32:43 AM
CD: Quote my email? What for, Dude? Who is going to be sending me emails? If you meant the Abideist Channel links then go right ahead, Dude OOPAs  - endlessly fascinating topic. Will try and posts some links in the week

DB: Quite a few ancient Dudes have been found (well, I recall a couple): I think it was in China, last year, the remains of a (female) Shaman were found - among the artifacts found with her was a stash of choice marijuana. Again, I'll try and find the links and post later.

Ancient dudes burning a J; far fucking out, mang.

@DB - 

Dickens, a Victorian Shaman? (a seasonal diversion): http://www.forteantimes.com/features/commentary/4819/the_victorian_shaman.html

And now for something completely different....Instant justice...?

Quotehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8197617/German-man-castrates-teenage-daughters-57-year-old-boyfriend.html[/quote

"WikiLeaker Bradley Manning?s Brutal Detention"
http://www.disinfo.com/2010/12/wikileaker-bradley-mannings-brutal-detention/

"HIV cured by stem cell transplant": http://www.disinfo.com/2010/12/hiv-cured-by-stem-cell-transplant/

Another crass attempt to superimpose Dudeism onto Christianity, forgive me but I'm too apathetic to respond, just now. This Dudeism thing is wearing a bit thin with me, at the moment. Think I need to take a break. http://dudespaper.com/saint-lebowski.html/

Quote from: cakebelly on December 16, 2010, 11:33:11 AM
Another crass attempt to superimpose Dudeism onto Christianity, forgive me but I'm too apathetic to respond, just now. This Dudeism thing is wearing a bit thin with me, at the moment. Think I need to take a break. http://dudespaper.com/saint-lebowski.html/

I know what you mean. I'm afraid these overt attempts to Christianise (xian, if xmas=christmas, the xian=christian) Dudeism are for ever prevalent, it's the underlying impetus in the xian doctrine to evangelise under any guise they can find.

I don't mind xian's, and have know some nice ones (apart from the Jehovah that took my "Ordained Dudeist Priest" as an incitement to convert instead of a concrete statement that I didn't want to know about xianity from their point of view.) the only thing I can think of is that I use Buddhist and Taoist, and Yoga terms to understand and analyse other religions, xian's by default will use xianity to interpret Dudeism.

I am happy with the idea that Jesus was a Dudeist, I am not happy with the idea that Dudeism is Christian.


If I log onto xian forum and point out all the Pagan origins of their festivals they get a little upset at me.

Should they not actually have the same respect for my religion?

Of all the Xian - Dudeism articles, I think this one was the best. But I don't think any of them are offensive.

For me it's just that Chistianity is "overplayed" - like a pop song that you hear too much. I too groan at attempts to link Jesus with the Dude but only because Jesus is like Britney Spears and the Dude is so much more unsullied and non-co-opted by nations and corporations and armies of slavish dimwits. But people do feel strongly about the original Jesus, and if we can help show Xians how they might re-fashion their savior into an image more in keeping with his Dudeist origins, then we've done a good deed. Am I wrong?

I've replied to Cakebelly's complaint and Meekon's reply, which Meekon posted in the comments section of the article. http://dudespaper.com/saint-lebowski.html/comment-page-1/#comment-3720

Please reply here, there or everywhere!

Jesus was definitely a dude, but dudes don't have to be Jesus to be a dude.