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BikerDude

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Re: This Agression Will Not Stand, Man!!
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2015, 12:06:15 PM »
I completely agree on the bible side, I found out last year that there are copies of the bible extant (found during the Victorian period) that do not even have the resurrection in them, a central tenet to Roman Catholicism.

Actually the Dude is based on the real Dude, Jeff Dowd, an associate of the Coen Brothers...
True, and I understand your point, but Dudeism is based on a movie with a central character named Jeffrey Lebowski, not Jeff Dowd.
Here I have to say I don't agree, the Dude in the film is an example, much like the Buddhas, Dudeism is not based on the movie, the movie is not holy text. I think this is a fundamental mistake many people make the film is not scripture to Dudeists, it is my belief that you may be a Dudeist and not ever have heard of the film, take Lao Tsu for instance.

Dudeism is a way of being, I was a dudeist before I found the label to hang upon myself for the convenience of others.


I believe we need a Dudeist conclave on this point.
I think that the movie clearly is a very important part of Dudeism.
True that Dudeism has existed through time but the movie uniquely illuminates the point.
I just don't think you can have Dudeism without the character of the Dude.
And who would want to? The movie is awesome.
I'd point to the words of the Dudely Lama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kL_cm7UOAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emZAyrzsIss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQhxcFK7cK0
And just for kicks I give you ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYxbJzyVzaY
Love it when Jerry says "what we are thinking about is a peaceful planet. We're not thinking about power, we're not thinking about those kind of struggles, revolution or war or any of that, etc...
We'd all like to live an uncluttered life. A simple life, a good life, and think about moving the whole human race ahead a step."
Jerryism?
« Last Edit: February 18, 2015, 12:19:51 PM by BikerDude »

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Re: This Agression Will Not Stand, Man!!
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2015, 09:16:03 PM »
That interesting, man. I haven't seen anything that links the dead sea scrolls with the Jesus. The link was cool but I didn't see it there, either. Anyway, I understand the scrolls consists mostly of passages from the torah.

Of course, the new testaments (a/k/a the Happy Fun Time Jebus Show) are, to a large extent, built on the supposed fulfillment of prophecies from the torah. I wouldn't be surprised if the scrolls' alleged references to the J-man were predicated on the same spurious assumptions (e.g., "look, a dude on a mule coming through the gates - it must be the lord!" or "the chick said she didn't lie with anyone - god did it!" or "well, he was crucified - it aint like they do that regularly is it?").*





* Yeah, I didn't even make up these examples. The original sources are sufficiently ridiculous. See, Zechariah 9:9, Gen. 3:15, and Psalm 22:16-18.

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Re: This Agression Will Not Stand, Man!!
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2015, 12:48:41 AM »
Actually the Dude is based on the real Dude, Jeff Dowd, an associate of the Coen Brothers...
True, and I understand your point, but Dudeism is based on a movie with a central character named Jeffrey Lebowski, not Jeff Dowd.
Here I have to say I don't agree, the Dude in the film is an example, much like the Buddhas, Dudeism is not based on the movie, the movie is not holy text. I think this is a fundamental mistake many people make the film is not scripture to Dudeists, it is my belief that you may be a Dudeist and not ever have heard of the film, take Lao Tsu for instance.

Dudeism is a way of being, I was a dudeist before I found the label to hang upon myself for the convenience of others.

You're correct, of course.  I should have said Dudeism was inspired by the movie, not based on it.  I stand corrected.
I don't go to church on Sunday
Don't get on my knees to pray
Don't memorize the books of the Bible
I got my own special way

BikerDude

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Re: This Agression Will Not Stand, Man!!
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2015, 07:59:07 AM »
Actually the Dude is based on the real Dude, Jeff Dowd, an associate of the Coen Brothers...
True, and I understand your point, but Dudeism is based on a movie with a central character named Jeffrey Lebowski, not Jeff Dowd.
Here I have to say I don't agree, the Dude in the film is an example, much like the Buddhas, Dudeism is not based on the movie, the movie is not holy text. I think this is a fundamental mistake many people make the film is not scripture to Dudeists, it is my belief that you may be a Dudeist and not ever have heard of the film, take Lao Tsu for instance.

Dudeism is a way of being, I was a dudeist before I found the label to hang upon myself for the convenience of others.

You're correct, of course.  I should have said Dudeism was inspired by the movie, not based on it.  I stand corrected.

Looks like we are dealing with a sliding scale of importance in the minds of most Dudeists.
Some see the movie as more important than others.
Personally I believe that the very act of basing a religion on a character from a movie is in a way the point. It's central to the foundation of Dudeism. And especially basing it on a character like the Dude who is obviously fallible and generally a fuck up.
And that's cool man.
Dudeism is to my mind a celebration of modesty. We claim no infallibility or magic knowledge.
The character that we choose to canonize is a stoner fuck up. And it's a realization that it is preferable to aspire toward being the Dude than toward some false perfection where you end up a fake, a fucking gold bricker like the Big L.
It's a realization that while the Jesus can fucking roll man in the end who would you rather have on your bowling team? It's a slam dunk. I'd rather have an oat soda with the Dude any day. Being a Dude is worthy fucking aspiration.(That and making the finals)
But of course we are all made up of the holy trinity of Walter, Donny and Dude and much as we can we should endeavor to be Dude like. The Dude defines a purity.

It's sort of like the flying spaghetti monster but not so insulting.
The Dude stands in stark contrast to the seriousness of most religious symbols and that's a good thing.
It's the point.
It's sort of funny and funny is good.
It's Dudeism so that's what you call it man.
My 2 cents.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2015, 08:10:46 AM by BikerDude »

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Re: This Agression Will Not Stand, Man!!
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2015, 08:50:43 AM »
It's sort of like the flying spaghetti monster but not so insulting.
The Dude stands in stark contrast to the seriousness of most religious symbols and that's a good thing.
It's the point.
It's sort of funny and funny is good.
It's Dudeism so that's what you call it man.
My 2 cents.

Sorry insanely busy in the real world of jobs.

And this is good we haven't had one of these discussions for ages.

I'm not exactly disagreeing with this point of view, but it's the Taoist point that the Dude is important but not central.

The Dude is a very good example of how to live life as a dudeist, but he is not a saint. He is not everything. To paraphrase Buddhism, and Buddha, this works for me but it's not necessarily the way it should work for you.

TBL is not a holy text as in the bible. Literally to canonise the Dude is to confuse the finger pointing with the object it is pointing at.

 If you see the Dude on the road, kill him!

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Re: This Agression Will Not Stand, Man!!
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2015, 08:53:43 AM »
That interesting, man. I haven't seen anything that links the dead sea scrolls with the Jesus. The link was cool but I didn't see it there, either. Anyway, I understand the scrolls consists mostly of passages from the torah.

Of course, the new testaments (a/k/a the Happy Fun Time Jebus Show) are, to a large extent, built on the supposed fulfillment of prophecies from the torah. I wouldn't be surprised if the scrolls' alleged references to the J-man were predicated on the same spurious assumptions (e.g., "look, a dude on a mule coming through the gates - it must be the lord!" or "the chick said she didn't lie with anyone - god did it!" or "well, he was crucified - it aint like they do that regularly is it?").*

* Yeah, I didn't even make up these examples. The original sources are sufficiently ridiculous. See, Zechariah 9:9, Gen. 3:15, and Psalm 22:16-18.
There was a lot of publicity at one point about the Dead Sea Scrolls mentioning Jesus, but eventually it turned out to be some phrase about a teacher that could not be acredited to Jesus (xians grabbing at straws again).
"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and  that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
Stephen Hawking

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BikerDude

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Re: This Agression Will Not Stand, Man!!
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2015, 10:03:20 AM »
It's sort of like the flying spaghetti monster but not so insulting.
The Dude stands in stark contrast to the seriousness of most religious symbols and that's a good thing.
It's the point.
It's sort of funny and funny is good.
It's Dudeism so that's what you call it man.
My 2 cents.

Sorry insanely busy in the real world of jobs.

And this is good we haven't had one of these discussions for ages.

I'm not exactly disagreeing with this point of view, but it's the Taoist point that the Dude is important but not central.

The Dude is a very good example of how to live life as a dudeist, but he is not a saint. He is not everything. To paraphrase Buddhism, and Buddha, this works for me but it's not necessarily the way it should work for you.

TBL is not a holy text as in the bible. Literally to canonise the Dude is to confuse the finger pointing with the object it is pointing at.

 If you see the Dude on the road, kill him!



It reminds me that we often go down the path where we discuss Dudeism while being Dudes.
It's sort of impossible.
Even the kill the Buddha statement. It illustrates the 2 vantage points.
Being truly enlightened is reaching a place where one doesn't need the example any longer.
To be truly enlightened you must reach a place where you fully and truly internalize the mojo.
So the Buddha becomes irrelevant. An external, less personal embodiment of principles.
But when speaking of the path or the discipline or the religion the Buddha is a useful and necessary for each of us to realize our own Buddhahood.

That's all well and good. But I do believe that there are some other aspects to Dudeism that make it unique.
One is that we are based on or inspired by the character of the Dude. Rather than a character or person that achieves elevated status in the traditional way.
The Character of the Dude is perhaps not even the best example of being Dude.
He is often capable of real undudeness. And that is cool man. Fallibility and no expectation of perfection is part of being Dude.
Does the path of Dudeism lead to some enlightenment?
In a way. But I think the enlightenment is sort of a realization that enlightenment is over rated and you are better off spending your time listening to tunes and rolling and the occasional acid flashback. And watching movies.
I guess the path to Dudeism hopefully leads to not giving a fuck about "paths" in general (or enlightenment amongst a long list of other things).
And being totally cool with that.
To claim  any level of elevated consciousness or enlightenment is not like the Dude.
The Dude doesn't claim to have any knowledge of a path to anything like that.
We are like Buddhists that started down the path, and just got tired, and stopped to burn one, and lost our train of thought. So we said "fuck it Dude, lets go bowling". And we're good with that.
We have no answers and believe that answers are unnecessary and the quest for them is exhausting. So fuck it. That's our answer for everything. Tattoo it on your foreheads.
 
But I could be wrong.

« Last Edit: February 19, 2015, 04:15:20 PM by BikerDude »

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Re: This Agression Will Not Stand, Man!!
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2015, 08:34:25 PM »
That's all well and good. But I do believe that there are some other aspects to Dudeism that make it unique.
One is that we are based on or inspired by the character of the Dude. Rather than a character or person that achieves elevated status in the traditional way.

On the other hand, veneration of a fictional character is one of the few traits Dudeism shares with most mainstream beliefs.

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Re: This Agression Will Not Stand, Man!!
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2015, 12:56:21 PM »
That interesting, man. I haven't seen anything that links the dead sea scrolls with the Jesus. The link was cool but I didn't see it there, either. Anyway, I understand the scrolls consists mostly of passages from the torah.

Of course, the new testaments (a/k/a the Happy Fun Time Jebus Show) are, to a large extent, built on the supposed fulfillment of prophecies from the torah. I wouldn't be surprised if the scrolls' alleged references to the J-man were predicated on the same spurious assumptions (e.g., "look, a dude on a mule coming through the gates - it must be the lord!" or "the chick said she didn't lie with anyone - god did it!" or "well, he was crucified - it aint like they do that regularly is it?").*





* Yeah, I didn't even make up these examples. The original sources are sufficiently ridiculous. See, Zechariah 9:9, Gen. 3:15, and Psalm 22:16-18.

On the contradictions and inconsistencies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6PWFvzKl3I
And of course..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVS_zG4a1ag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slbMe-aTY1A

« Last Edit: February 27, 2015, 01:05:08 PM by BikerDude »

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Re: This Agression Will Not Stand, Man!!
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2015, 03:52:37 PM »
I can't disappoint by missing an opportunity to point out another of the ways that the "biggies" meet the criteria of being a "parady" religion.
For instance....
The Vatican set the world record for paraquatism by profiteering on the Holocaust.
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/30/382374060/from-laundering-to-profiteering-a-multitude-of-sins-at-the-vatican-bank
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By World War II, the church had sizeable investments and created the Vatican Bank in order to hide its financial dealings with the Nazis from the U.S. and Britain.

"I was surprised to the extent to which the Vatican was deeply embedded with German companies," Posner says. "They bundled together life insurance policies of Jewish refugees who had been sent to Auschwitz and other death camps. They escheated these policies early on ? meaning they took the cash value of them."

Later, when the surviving children or grandchildren of the victims tried to collect on the insurance policies, they were refused. "These insurance companies would refuse to pay out saying: 'Show us a death certificate,' which they knew was impossible," Posner explains. "They would keep the money."

Now tell me that any of the fucks at the league office give one good wet fart for anything Jesus said. They are just in the business of making others believe it.
It's like Lennon said ..... you look at who profits and.....
Fuckin eh man far fuckin out

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Re: This Agression Will Not Stand, Man!!
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2015, 03:59:53 PM »
I completely agree on the bible side, I found out last year that there are copies of the bible extant (found during the Victorian period) that do not even have the resurrection in them, a central tenet to Roman Catholicism.

Actually the Dude is based on the real Dude, Jeff Dowd , an associate of the Coen Brothers...
True, and I understand your point, but Dudeism is based on a movie with a central character named Jeffrey Lebowski, not Jeff Dowd.
Here I have to say I don't agree, the Dude in the film is an example, much like the Buddhas, Dudeism is not based on the movie, the movie is not holy text. I think this is a fundamental mistake many people make the film is not scripture to Dudeists, it is my belief that you may be a Dudeist and not ever have heard of the film, take Lao Tsu for instance.

Dudeism is a way of being, I was a dudeist before I found the label to hang upon myself for the convenience of others.


I believe we need a Dudeist conclave on this point.
I think that the movie clearly is a very important part of Dudeism.
True that Dudeism has existed through time but the movie uniquely illuminates the point.
I just don't think you can have Dudeism without the character of the Dude.
And who would want to? The movie is awesome.
I'd point to the words of the Dudely Lama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kL_cm7UOAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emZAyrzsIss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQhxcFK7cK0
And just for kicks I give you ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYxbJzyVzaY
Love it when Jerry says "what we are thinking about is a peaceful planet. We're not thinking about power, we're not thinking about those kind of struggles, revolution or war or any of that, etc...
We'd all like to live an uncluttered life. A simple life, a good life, and think about moving the whole human race ahead a step."
Jerryism?
I sort of agree but i think dudeism is just a pick of different religions like Taoism and Zen Buddhism but with an example of how to take things emotionally and stuff like in my opinion man

 

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