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Does anyone else think there exists concepts outside the binary of Atheism versus North American Protestant Christianity?

I do.

Absolutely.  That duality is fictional at best.  Just talk to a shaman...

Quote from: Dave on November 25, 2014, 08:46:26 AM
Does anyone else think there exists concepts outside the binary of Atheism versus North American Protestant Christianity?

I do.

I do as well dude, you are certainly not alone. I've only not brought it up because I am far too lazy to get caught up in an argument about why I am a Norse Polytheist or Asatru, or whatever the kids are calling it these days in today's world and so on and so forth and what have you. I'd much rather just enjoy a beer and say fuck it, however I didn't want to leave a fellow pagan hanging so I thought I'd break my normal silence and let you know there are other Dudeist Pagan Priests out there.

Avoidance is certainly wisdom.
But wisdom precludes motorcycles, fast cars, sex with loose women and pissing off Christians.
As a married aging white male I like to hold onto all of my meager list of vices.

If you notice though I have bowed out.
It's gotten really boring.

But as long as I'm here post a clip that sort of illustrates the craven nature of faith 'vs' the courage of reason.
From the movie "Touching the Void" about 2 mountain climbers. One gets a broken leg and as the other attempts to lower him down... well I won't spoil it. I do recommend it. It's free on Netflix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWhmOwGqcMQ

Quotecourage of reason

I like that.

Quote from: Hominid on November 25, 2014, 01:01:41 PM

Quotecourage of reason

I like that.

Oh hell yeah.
And not only the courage to live without self delusion and false consolation but imagine the courage it took back in the day to speak out.
For instance Salman Rushdie. He knew full well what he would face by criticizing Islam. At that time most people were unaware of the strain of Islam that was so radical. He knew it well, having been born and raised in Bombay and he was raised a Muslim. He knew full well how common the belief that the punishment for apostasy is death and how common it was for people to hold that belief. He was the first to make most people aware that there were influential people who would literally call for the death of a person who wrote a book they didn't like.

I do believe in other ways. You make one simple statement about religion not being the cause of all the evil in the world and suddenly your dragged into a debate labeled a protestant or pissed off Christian, and told you are arguing. I am certainly not a protestant or a pissed off Christian and I am most certain that I am not arguing. I thought this was the place of Dudely growing and it would appear it is the place of I am more Dude than you so stuff a sock in it Lebowski. I spend my days working out the kinks of a jacked hard enough life body. I am more often than not alone with my thoughts and ideas and came to seek growth through different perspectives, but instead what I have is much effort with little return  so maybe Jefftos you are correct in the just read about it philosophy which in the end returns me to postulating and formulating with myself. So crotchety old dudes and Cobra Kia side kicks feel free to smugness. Avoidance is certainly cautiousness, but cautiousness is most certainly not always prudence. My last bit of wisdom for you is there is just as much fear to reason as there is courage make sure your on the side you claim to love for the other leads to folly my friend. And just to clarify if you think this is anger you would be wrong again. It is just the way I type. I have an overly stimulated side of niceness which I would normally use to find the tactful way of typing things, but I am tired, so instead I ask forgiveness for my bluntness. Peace and Love my brothers. One last thing, is the use of than correct or should it have been then???

Quote from: amogorilla77 on November 26, 2014, 08:13:52 AM
I do believe in other ways. You make one simple statement about religion not being the cause of all the evil in the world and suddenly your dragged into a debate labeled a protestant or pissed off Christian, and told you are arguing. I am certainly not a protestant or a pissed off Christian and I am most certain that I am not arguing. I thought this was the place of Dudely growing and it would appear it is the place of I am more Dude than you so stuff a sock in it Lebowski. I spend my days working out the kinks of a jacked hard enough life body. I am more often than not alone with my thoughts and ideas and came to seek growth through different perspectives, but instead what I have is much effort with little return  so maybe Jefftos you are correct in the just read about it philosophy which in the end returns me to postulating and formulating with myself. So crotchety old dudes and Cobra Kia side kicks feel free to smugness. Avoidance is certainly cautiousness, but cautiousness is most certainly not always prudence. My last bit of wisdom for you is there is just as much fear to reason as there is courage make sure your on the side you claim to love for the other leads to folly my friend. And just to clarify if you think this is anger you would be wrong again. It is just the way I type. I have an overly stimulated side of niceness which I would normally use to find the tactful way of typing things, but I am tired, so instead I ask forgiveness for my bluntness. Peace and Love my brothers. One last thing, is the use of than correct or should it have been then???

I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about anything. My point was mostly that there are far more interesting things to talk about than atheism vs. Christianity or any 'ism vs. 'ism for that matter. To me the whole discussion is pointless and these sorts of arguments rarely get anyone anywhere except for people get more entrenched in their own opinions. That's why I tend to stay out of them on any forum and not just here on the Dudeism forum, they waste time that I could be out doing something more awesome, like brewing some beer or wasting time on reddit, or uh...you know, working, family and all that other stuff. Point is, lifes too short to waste on these sorts of debates.

Quote from: Jefftos on November 26, 2014, 11:13:14 AM

Quote from: amogorilla77 on November 26, 2014, 08:13:52 AM
I do believe in other ways. You make one simple statement about religion not being the cause of all the evil in the world and suddenly your dragged into a debate labeled a protestant or pissed off Christian, and told you are arguing. I am certainly not a protestant or a pissed off Christian and I am most certain that I am not arguing. I thought this was the place of Dudely growing and it would appear it is the place of I am more Dude than you so stuff a sock in it Lebowski. I spend my days working out the kinks of a jacked hard enough life body. I am more often than not alone with my thoughts and ideas and came to seek growth through different perspectives, but instead what I have is much effort with little return  so maybe Jefftos you are correct in the just read about it philosophy which in the end returns me to postulating and formulating with myself. So crotchety old dudes and Cobra Kia side kicks feel free to smugness. Avoidance is certainly cautiousness, but cautiousness is most certainly not always prudence. My last bit of wisdom for you is there is just as much fear to reason as there is courage make sure your on the side you claim to love for the other leads to folly my friend. And just to clarify if you think this is anger you would be wrong again. It is just the way I type. I have an overly stimulated side of niceness which I would normally use to find the tactful way of typing things, but I am tired, so instead I ask forgiveness for my bluntness. Peace and Love my brothers. One last thing, is the use of than correct or should it have been then???

I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about anything. My point was mostly that there are far more interesting things to talk about than atheism vs. Christianity or any 'ism vs. 'ism for that matter. To me the whole discussion is pointless and these sorts of arguments rarely get anyone anywhere except for people get more entrenched in their own opinions. That's why I tend to stay out of them on any forum and not just here on the Dudeism forum, they waste time that I could be out doing something more awesome, like brewing some beer or wasting time on reddit, or uh...you know, working, family and all that other stuff. Point is, lifes too short to waste on these sorts of debates.

Quote from: Jefftos on November 26, 2014, 11:13:14 AM

Quote from: amogorilla77 on November 26, 2014, 08:13:52 AM
I do believe in other ways. You make one simple statement about religion not being the cause of all the evil in the world and suddenly your dragged into a debate labeled a protestant or pissed off Christian, and told you are arguing. I am certainly not a protestant or a pissed off Christian and I am most certain that I am not arguing. I thought this was the place of Dudely growing and it would appear it is the place of I am more Dude than you so stuff a sock in it Lebowski. I spend my days working out the kinks of a jacked hard enough life body. I am more often than not alone with my thoughts and ideas and came to seek growth through different perspectives, but instead what I have is much effort with little return  so maybe Jefftos you are correct in the just read about it philosophy which in the end returns me to postulating and formulating with myself. So crotchety old dudes and Cobra Kia side kicks feel free to smugness. Avoidance is certainly cautiousness, but cautiousness is most certainly not always prudence. My last bit of wisdom for you is there is just as much fear to reason as there is courage make sure your on the side you claim to love for the other leads to folly my friend. And just to clarify if you think this is anger you would be wrong again. It is just the way I type. I have an overly stimulated side of niceness which I would normally use to find the tactful way of typing things, but I am tired, so instead I ask forgiveness for my bluntness. Peace and Love my brothers. One last thing, is the use of than correct or should it have been then???

I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about anything. My point was mostly that there are far more interesting things to talk about than atheism vs. Christianity or any 'ism vs. 'ism for that matter. To me the whole discussion is pointless and these sorts of arguments rarely get anyone anywhere except for people get more entrenched in their own opinions. That's why I tend to stay out of them on any forum and not just here on the Dudeism forum, they waste time that I could be out doing something more awesome, like brewing some beer or wasting time on reddit, or uh...you know, working, family and all that other stuff. Point is, lifes too short to waste on these sorts of debates.

I can't think of how just about any forum on the web can be viewed as much more than wasting time but
maybe it's just me. I guess I come here to waste time.
I enjoy the humor that a lot of people have on here. Thank you Dudeism.
Yet whenever a thread is started that has to do with religion (always Christianity) we Dudeist either avoid it and  don't speak our minds or it turns into a drag. Dudeism seems to always result in lively discussion that doesn't raise anybodies blood pressure. But mix in a bit of Christianity and the outcome is always either "I just don't get involved" or it's an endless round of the same old nonsense. Sort of like magic really. Add salt and the water gets salty IMO.
I really don't think that most Dudeists would go to a Christian forum and answer posts that criticize Dudeism.
I really would not be bothered. It's just like their opinion man. They are entitled to it.

Quote from: BikerDude on November 26, 2014, 11:36:06 AM

Quote from: Jefftos on November 26, 2014, 11:13:14 AM

Quote from: amogorilla77 on November 26, 2014, 08:13:52 AM
I do believe in other ways. You make one simple statement about religion not being the cause of all the evil in the world and suddenly your dragged into a debate labeled a protestant or pissed off Christian, and told you are arguing. I am certainly not a protestant or a pissed off Christian and I am most certain that I am not arguing. I thought this was the place of Dudely growing and it would appear it is the place of I am more Dude than you so stuff a sock in it Lebowski. I spend my days working out the kinks of a jacked hard enough life body. I am more often than not alone with my thoughts and ideas and came to seek growth through different perspectives, but instead what I have is much effort with little return  so maybe Jefftos you are correct in the just read about it philosophy which in the end returns me to postulating and formulating with myself. So crotchety old dudes and Cobra Kia side kicks feel free to smugness. Avoidance is certainly cautiousness, but cautiousness is most certainly not always prudence. My last bit of wisdom for you is there is just as much fear to reason as there is courage make sure your on the side you claim to love for the other leads to folly my friend. And just to clarify if you think this is anger you would be wrong again. It is just the way I type. I have an overly stimulated side of niceness which I would normally use to find the tactful way of typing things, but I am tired, so instead I ask forgiveness for my bluntness. Peace and Love my brothers. One last thing, is the use of than correct or should it have been then???

I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about anything. My point was mostly that there are far more interesting things to talk about than atheism vs. Christianity or any 'ism vs. 'ism for that matter. To me the whole discussion is pointless and these sorts of arguments rarely get anyone anywhere except for people get more entrenched in their own opinions. That's why I tend to stay out of them on any forum and not just here on the Dudeism forum, they waste time that I could be out doing something more awesome, like brewing some beer or wasting time on reddit, or uh...you know, working, family and all that other stuff. Point is, lifes too short to waste on these sorts of debates.

Quote from: Jefftos on November 26, 2014, 11:13:14 AM

Quote from: amogorilla77 on November 26, 2014, 08:13:52 AM
I do believe in other ways. You make one simple statement about religion not being the cause of all the evil in the world and suddenly your dragged into a debate labeled a protestant or pissed off Christian, and told you are arguing. I am certainly not a protestant or a pissed off Christian and I am most certain that I am not arguing. I thought this was the place of Dudely growing and it would appear it is the place of I am more Dude than you so stuff a sock in it Lebowski. I spend my days working out the kinks of a jacked hard enough life body. I am more often than not alone with my thoughts and ideas and came to seek growth through different perspectives, but instead what I have is much effort with little return  so maybe Jefftos you are correct in the just read about it philosophy which in the end returns me to postulating and formulating with myself. So crotchety old dudes and Cobra Kia side kicks feel free to smugness. Avoidance is certainly cautiousness, but cautiousness is most certainly not always prudence. My last bit of wisdom for you is there is just as much fear to reason as there is courage make sure your on the side you claim to love for the other leads to folly my friend. And just to clarify if you think this is anger you would be wrong again. It is just the way I type. I have an overly stimulated side of niceness which I would normally use to find the tactful way of typing things, but I am tired, so instead I ask forgiveness for my bluntness. Peace and Love my brothers. One last thing, is the use of than correct or should it have been then???

I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about anything. My point was mostly that there are far more interesting things to talk about than atheism vs. Christianity or any 'ism vs. 'ism for that matter. To me the whole discussion is pointless and these sorts of arguments rarely get anyone anywhere except for people get more entrenched in their own opinions. That's why I tend to stay out of them on any forum and not just here on the Dudeism forum, they waste time that I could be out doing something more awesome, like brewing some beer or wasting time on reddit, or uh...you know, working, family and all that other stuff. Point is, lifes too short to waste on these sorts of debates.

I can't think of how just about any forum on the web can be viewed as much more than wasting time but
maybe it's just me. I guess I come here to waste time.
I enjoy the humor that a lot of people have on here. Thank you Dudeism.
Yet whenever a thread is started that has to do with religion (always Christianity) we Dudeist either avoid it and  don't speak our minds or it turns into a drag. Dudeism seems to always result in lively discussion that doesn't raise anybodies blood pressure. But mix in a bit of Christianity and the outcome is always either "I just don't get involved" or it's an endless round of the same old nonsense. Sort of like magic really. Add salt and the water gets salty IMO.
I really don't think that most Dudeists would go to a Christian forum and answer posts that criticize Dudeism.
I really would not be bothered. It's just like their opinion man. They are entitled to it.

I suppose it depends on what you want to waste time on. Some people might consider gaming a waste of time but others enjoy it. I consider religious debate a waste of time but you obviously enjoy it. And that's cool, all I'm saying is it ain't my cup of tea. I even agree with a lot of the stuff you post or at least find it humorous, I just don't care to get involved when it comes to debates in general.

I consider it a waste of time.
I guess I do sort of enjoy it.
Well I did start it.
But I just hate that when I consider if I should post an article like this by a Preacher who lost his faith after 25 years on a board that is a "religious" board of sorts. I have to consider whether or not  it's going to incite the ire of Christians and turn into a drag.
That feeling has really come to piss me off. So I sometimes post it.
I enjoy these stories of deconversion. Especially from "men of the cloth". Who generally do after the fact announce that "there are a lot more unbelievers in the priesthood than you would ever believe".
I'm telling you we are approaching a tipping point and I just like that.

Quote from: amogorilla77 on November 26, 2014, 08:13:52 AM
...Cobra Kia side kicks...

I didn't expect to see a Karate Kid reference in this here thread. I like it.

Say what you will, Dude, but at least Cobra Kai is an ethos.

An ethos of intolerance to anyone who is not you breeds nothing worth claiming my friend, and rubbing peoples noses in things isn't better either. I made a simple but true statement that had nothing to do about religion and it was and is still totally overlooked. You raised no ire Biker Dude you just raised questions. I am sorry if I didn't consider that all you wanted to do was rail in peace without all the questions. Your right Jefftos, I did Walter myself into an ism vs ism debate, but I am Duding myself out. Is there any good philosophical topics to partake in were people don't get angry because their underwear is riding up on them or am I banished to the realm of multiple personalities were I know they know me and except me without judgments.  On second thought no suggestions necessary I will search for myself. I wish nothing but Dudely peace to you all. Epic fail excepted and moving on.(Lonely Man Theme song plays as I bow out because music makes everything better and it seems overly dramatic like this whole debacle)

Someone's being passive-aggressive.  No finger pointing of course...

(Fuck, here we go...)

Ha,ha, deduction would say that was pointed at me, but truth be told I just wanted to see if anyone would pick up on the Late 70s - early 80s Incredible Hulk Theme song reference. I just didn't know how else to write to include it. Now can anyone tell me how one can upload an avatar.