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I applaud your opinion, meekon5. I grew up in London in the '70s. I spent essentially all of my life until I was in my 30s under the direct threat of terrorist action. And do you know what?

I was never afraid.

I grew up amongst people who had been bombed in the Blitz, and if I learned anything from them it was this: never be afraid of the people who mean you harm. They want you to be afraid of them. If you are afraid, they win. If you are not afraid, they lose.

I can't take a bottle of water on an aeroplane in case it is a bomb. The terrorists won.
I have to take a flimsy pair of Converse All Stars off at security in case they are a bomb and not a well-known brand of shoes. The terrorists won.
I can't put my litter in a bin at the train station, the bins were all removed as an anti-terror measure. The terrorists won.

The threat of terrorism is a tiny risk - far lower risk than crossing the road whilst talking on your cellphone, or smoking a cigarette. I refuse to be afraid of terrorism, regardless of how hard the terrorists and the media try to make me afraid.

This aggression will not stand, man.

Of course you should never be afraid of terrorists. I think we can all agree with that. You can't let possibly dying stop you from enjoying your life and living. If you give into fear you are allowing for changes to made in the freedoms that the terrorists are attacking , they win. If suddenly because of the boston bombing we end up having TSA agents at sporting events because people are too afraid to go running or be spectators, they win. 

For all you British dudes, I hope things don't get crazier than they already are. Definitely the situation with the Islamic threat is something that will take time and patience, and ultimately human good will and compassion, understanding and charity on all sides to resolves. As a short term for the extremists, all you can do is be on your guard and do your job as citizens and community leaders to help prevent crimes if you know or can do anything.
peace dudes.

Meekon - it's only Caesar that was really going off the rails. I don't think anyone else supported his point of view. It's flabbergasting because he was the one who just a couple of weeks ago blew his top because another poster was tarring all Muslims with the same brush. That ended up being a pretty bitter back-and-forth. Now apparently this attack has hit close to home because he is also in the military and so he's completely changed his mind - and to a degree that made the poster of the previous thread look like Mother Fucking Teresa.

I didn't want to say anything because the last time I got involved it just seemed to make everything worse. But I can't hold my tongue. I'm considering using a heavier hand in closing threads or even banning people.

This forum is starting to get hijacked by extreme personalities. It used to be an easygoing place. Once this forum no longer serves its purpose as a Dudeist meeting place and soapbox I will happily shut the whole thing down. If you can't take 'er easy then take 'er somewhere else.

Quote from: meekon5 on May 24, 2013, 06:10:16 PM
Look this is just my opinion but, there are times I feel I am the last sane person on this forum, which means things are in a really bad state.

If I was to  run onto the street and kill someone and claim it was in the name of the telly tubby's would we be shouting for the destruction of all Telly Tubbys?

These two fuck wits killed someone, then have claimed they are doing this on someones behalf. They were not.

If I ran onto the street and killed someone and claimed it was on the behalf of Dudeism would you then be calling for the destruction of all Dudeists?

What is the best way to radicalise the pacifist Muslims?

You murder someone (a soldier) in a public place in the most horriblest way you can. You shout about being Muslims so the reaction is for the white people to take "revenge" on the Muslims. So the none radicalised Muslims react to the "revenge" and you have the war the minority wanted.

I have seen calls for reaction, revenge, so what do we do once we have expelled all the blacks,and the chinks, and the indians? Do we start on the jews (look at Israel they carry guns). The Irish, because dont forget the seventies, and eighties when the IRA killed far more than just one person?

I understand the ferver and disgust against what has been doen here, but they have been arrested. They will be tried, stop shouting for the linch mob.

And please remeber I come from a forces family, I come from the time when my father used to check under the car in the morning just in case the IRA had put a bomb under it, and the standing orders were you didnt wear your uniform when you were off duty because it would make you a target for the terrorists.

These two killed one soldier (and I do not condone that) but the IRA put fucking nail bombs in pubs and killed people, they put bombs in Waterloo, which I walk through every day on the way to work, in the name of catholic Irish people, did we then try to expel catholics and burn their churches?

Justice will be done against these two (arse holes), but not by burning mosques across the UK.

Again this is all in my own particular opinion.

Those are good righteous words, M dude.

Quote from: forumdude on May 25, 2013, 02:13:44 AM
Meekon - it's only Caesar that was really going off the rails. I don't think anyone else supported his point of view. It's flabbergasting because he was the one who just a couple of weeks ago blew his top because another poster was tarring all Muslims with the same brush. That ended up being a pretty bitter back-and-forth. Now apparently this attack has hit close to home because he is also in the military and so he's completely changed his mind - and to a degree that made the poster of the previous thread look like Mother Fucking Teresa.

I didn't want to say anything because the last time I got involved it just seemed to make everything worse. But I can't hold my tongue. I'm considering using a heavier hand in closing threads or even banning people.

This forum is starting to get hijacked by extreme personalities. It used to be an easygoing place. Once this forum no longer serves its purpose as a Dudeist meeting place and soapbox I will happily shut the whole thing down. If you can't take 'er easy then take 'er somewhere else.

I think, as in any open resource where a dude is more or less free to do or say what they want, there is always the temptation to perhaps go too far and abuse it sometimes; it's the test of any dude to see if such freedoms are use wisely and in a dudely manner. I hope this resource continues to be used properly. After all, this is an open unlocked door with a welcome mat, but still a private residence, man.

Maybe I will.

Man, abideist, you might want to study up a bit on Dudeism. Or start your own break off sect.

I apologise for my outburst Forum Dude. As I stated in my OP I was beyond Walter at the time due to having just witnessed the outrageous scene.

I have not been seeing things too clearly of late.

Time for me to be lay low and take it easy for a bit.

Sorry for getting all reactionary!

Peace.

Quote from: forumdude on May 25, 2013, 04:52:25 AM
Man, abideist, you might want to study up a bit on Dudeism. Or start your own break off sect.

That brings up the idea of "orders" with in Dudeiem. Like the "Order of the In-and-out-Burger," or the "Order of the Rug," or the "Order of the Burnin' a J;" kind of like local chapters of Dudeism.

No problem, Caesar. We all lose our cool sometimes. So long as we apologize once we've cooled off, all is copasetic.

Now maybe Abideist will apologize for his "hippie pussies" and "thank god I'm American" comments.

Wow, so much passion, on all sides, sounds exhausting.

Yeah, Islam is a fucking mess, lots of things are a fucking mess, but what do we really want? Do we not want to follow the Tsun Tsu, and not take it whole? To not take it while leaving its human constituents unharmed and ready to join in the struggle for human development? This is a tricky and challenging situation, it will take great skill to get it right.

Where everybody here is having a problem is with attachment to the outcome, they are so tied into the success of their  theories and agendas that it is hard not to get upset or cling to their opinions. It is impossible to fix everything, right now immediately, and if you put all your passion into the belief that it can be, you are bound to have a bad time.

Straw dogs Dudes, all is straw dogs, we try and to make the world a more chill better place to live, but we may fail, it may all come crashing down tomorrow, and if it does I will not cry. All is impermanence, love with out condition, including the condition that it has to get better, that we have to survive. Saving the world and spreading peace and love is an act, not an outcome.

Why should I apologize for making a point?  No one has apologized to me for making unjustified assumptions and trying to vilify my defense of the Buddhists man.

If you're offended by my words, than that is your problem. I deleted the comment, to appease the lack of comprehension that is so rampant on the internet and with some dudes.

And I'm damn sure not going to apologize for saying I'm proud to be an American no matter the context it was used in.

I suggest that instead of focusing on what you believe people are writing based on your own, like, opinions man; maybe you should fully engage the composition and transpired conversation with it.

Censoring, ha.  I guess everyone should absolve themselves for everything that isn't unanimous too.

Abidest, you are not wrong, per se, but you are kinda being an ass about it.

On an aside, I never really got the "proud to be (insert nationality)" thing. Like what, you are proud of your self for choosing to be born in a particular region? None of us alive had anything to do with forming this nation, none of us have done any of the truly great endeavors (unless there is an astronaut hiding among our ranks). So yeah, I just don't get that, plus it perpetuates the us v them thang, not hip to that.

Your problem Abidest is you are investing way too much emotion into this, that's why your arguments are coming off so unskillfully and meeting resistance.

Tao vs 27 (partial)
What is a good man but a bad man's teacher?
What is a bad man but a good man's job?
If you don't understand this, you will get lost,
however intelligent you are.
It is the great secret.

My hope here is that any subject can be discussed and opinions made in a laid back dude like manner without any unchecked aggression. We all have to respect other people's opinions, even if it is like only their opinion, man.

Absolutely, DB. I dig your style and wish Abideist would learn from you.

To illustrate, I sometimes have some personal disagreements with DB's politics but that doesn't affect my opinion of him as a participant here because he post things in a humorous and Dudely way. He knows this isn't all about winning the argument, but putting shit out there and allowing open exchange of info and ideas. And he agrees to take a step back when confronted with conflicting evidence and communal sentiment, just as most people on this forum do. And as Caesar just did, commendably.

Abideist, on the other hand is aggressively pursuing some sort of idealistic notion of liberty to say whatever he wants in the guise of intellectual freedom, even when that intellectual freedom includes the mandate to pretend he didn't say things and to never take anything back or meet anyone half way. This whole thing got inflamed that previous post when he said

"Personally, and I may be shunned by my fellow dudes for saying this, but FUCK muslims."

Now he says that we should apologize for making "unjustified assumptions" about his attitude towards Muslims. That's ridiculous. And the dissenting opinions about Buddhism are somehow "vilifi[ing] your defense" of them? Who's the fucking Nihilist here?

This has nothing to do with "being offended" and everything to do with rules of polite discourse. This isn't Nam. There are rules. If you don't understand the difference between free discourse and total narcissistic anarchism, then you're not welcome here. There are many forums where people behave this way and you'll fit right in. It's clear that you don't understand what Dudeism is all about.

However, if you want to take a step back and look at what your'e doing and contribute meaningfully to this forum, you're more than welcome to stay. You're welcome to disagree, but not to piss on our rug and call it "sharing."