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I've already said I give in.

My opinion that Islam is a religion of peace is based on long standing relationships and friendships with actual Muslims. Some of them scholars: Some of them devout followers: Some of them a bit like me (brought up as Christian they brought up as Muslims but knowing that it is a crock of shit!)

I've clearly been mixing with the wrong type of Muslim!

There is no point in you quoting diatribes from the Qu'ran, I can do the same from the Bible:

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be quiet." (1 Timothy 2:12)

"Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses." (1 Samuel 15:3)

"Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." (1 Peter 2:18)

"Behold the day of the Lord comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger...Whoever is found will be thrust through and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes, their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished."
Isaiah 13:9, 13:15

"When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money."
Exodus 21:20

"But if the thing is true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the young woman, then you shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..."
Deuteronomy 22:20

"He who believes and who is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."
Mark 16:16

"Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother- in-law...."
Matthew 10:34

"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor"
Timothy 2:11

I don't want a pissing contest between us! You've made your point. I accept that point.

I do not accept that all Muslims feel the way that you are portraying them: Same way that I do not believe all Christians believe in the bible passages I have quoted!

Fuck statistics.  I've seen what's coming for the last 40 years. Overall trends are what you should be watching. No racism here... I'm a student of history. The country (race?)  with the most money wins.

Think oil

That'll be the USA at the moment, or maybe Saudi. Give it another 20 years and it will be China.

As you say ... money talks dude!

in a way it's kind of comforting to know china is there. Big, red, armed, and not exactly muslim friendly.

forgive my previous hill billy logic. I guess I got the wrong information, like I said though, it was purely speculation and what not. Regardless, the point was to show there are more uninformed followers of religion than the extremists. But both can be dangerous depending on what information they are receiving and as hominid stated, the current trends and where they are going.  Well I'm done on this subject.

Bottom line.

You have to have fucked up big time to get a bunch of Buddhists pissed off...Just sayin dude.

QuoteYou have to have fucked up big time to get a bunch of Buddhists pissed off...Just sayin dude

And that is good line to end this debate on.

Peace.

Just one small point - and I may be well out of line here - but the fact is that the devout Muslim woman is completely devoid of hair except for head, eyebrows and eyelashes. Nice. Just saying....

If I may say some of my mind here, without sending oil on fire, it is not muslims or Islam that is dangerous. As every "holy book", it is the understanding of its content that can be misunderstood and completly turned on its opposite way.

As I read the Tora, the Holy Bible (not US evangelist stuff, which make me sigh just thinking of it) and Quran, with the most objective, non religious eyes I had, I came to the following conclusion :

The Quran is made like poems of Muhammat, inspired from the christian Bible and has some stuff he added, to bound with its contemporary culture/politics/atmosphere, but nowhere is clearly written to cover a women from her feet to her head, to beat her, to throw rock at her if she faults.

The Bible is divided in two parts : old testament (copy/past the Tora) and the new testament ( also known as "Jesus and his crew : few stories about a dude chosen 400 years after his death, but we throw away what we do not choose"). US evangelist claims about a third book, where Jesus might have lived in america... I prefere to stop here about this one, I might get undude... I could speak about the mischief of Christianity upon middle aged Europe for hours, but I may loose your interest, so I'll move on.

The Tora is basically an hygien book with godly cover, so people in those time feared not to bind to what was written. Cut the skin on the boy's dick, it'll avoid shits when he grow up. Ladies wash themselves for 7 days in a pure water source after giving birth, and so on, and so on.

None of them prone to kill people who do not believe what is written in them, all they intend is peace with thy neighbour, brotherhood, and good hygien so you can live long enough to enjoy familly and friends.

Women are not equal to men in those book, I recon that. But they are treated the same way in the three books. Just take a look to the answer Jesus gave his mother during the Marriage at Cana... To sum up, he gently tells her to shut up. Nice one from the Lord Savior...

All I'm saying is : don't be to hasty saying one religion is crap when just a bunch of misunderstanding shit heads uses it the wrong way. Remember that christians crusaded in middle east, burned native american culture, wether in north americ or south america, they litteraly killed lots of unchristians clutures, just because they think their book says truth and is the only one to.

The religions who underlined equallity to all living homo sapiens are very few.

Please remember that those lines are from a religious free reader of those books. I do not intend to insult anyone, may they be alive, or dead.

Hava dude - perhaps you didn't read the entire Quaran... check out http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Seems pretty clear to me that it takes no interpretation to conclude that Islam is - by ORDER from Mohammed - a violent religion.  Very undude!

I'm thinking we need a separate website for Dudes to figure out their views toward Islam. After 12 pages of back-and-forth I'm guessing everyone has the same opinion they started with on page 1.

Just, like, my opinion man.

Quote from: Hominid on September 13, 2013, 08:39:17 AM
Hava dude - perhaps you didn't read the entire Quaran... check out http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Seems pretty clear to me that it takes no interpretation to conclude that Islam is - by ORDER from Mohammed - a violent religion.  Very undude!

Similarly one can do the same thing with the christians Bible:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

Buddhism is a bit harder, but there is always the (Zen) roots and influence on Bushido (the Samurai code of conduct) now they where pretty violent.

Islam and Judaism of course have the same roots as christianity (being abrahmic religions) in the old testament (very violent).

see also:

http://www.otoons.de/sex/NC-17Bible.htm

Quote from: OshO

But freedom brings great responsibility.
And I am trying to make you free, not only from fascist types of structures. I am trying to free you from Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Mohammedanism, all religions. They are all fascist, because their basic idea is belief. They destroy your reason, they destroy your inquiry, they destroy your intelligence. They give you borrowed, centuries-old rubbish and call it knowledge. You call the BIBLE holy and every day you worship it, with great respect, without knowing that this is the most pornographic book in the whole world. If the Supreme Court of America is really fair, the BIBLE should be X-rated. But the same is the situation of other religious scriptures. All are pornography. I want you to be free from any ideology so that you can be yourself and you can search and you can go into the unknown. That inquiry into the unknown is such an ecstasy, such a great excitement -- the only pilgrimage.

 
where the f*ck where those lines in the books I read. Clearly, I lacked infos, hence needed to shut my shit filled fan.

My bad.

I'll be on my rug...

Quote from: Havazhyol on September 13, 2013, 02:30:04 PM

where the f*ck where those lines in the books I read. Clearly, I lacked infos, hence needed to shut my shit filled fan.

My bad.

I'll be on my rug...

Havazhyol all opinions are valid.

One of my major themes is the difference between argument and just yelling at each other.

Argument is the presentation of differing points of view in an attempt to change other peoples ideas on a concept.

Please don't go and sulk on your rug.

I'm just very aware that you can find god smiting this and smiting that all through the old testament, which for me is not a very good example to be giving for a religion that claims to be all peaceful, and socially responsible (but that's another thread completely).

Quote from: Havazhyol on September 13, 2013, 02:30:04 PM

where the f*ck where those lines in the books I read. Clearly, I lacked infos, hence needed to shut my shit filled fan.

My bad.

I'll be on my rug...

Dude; you are hereby sentence by the spirit of high dudeness to a few burgers, a few beers, and 50 chants of "nothing is fucked here, dude, nothing fucked." ...and of course, zesty coitus after.


...please report back to us when you're done.

No worry dudes, I'm not into sulking or crying for being corrected when the antithesis to my thesis is well builded (as it has just occured).

When said "I'll be on my rug." it forecasted your sentence DigitalBuddha.

Meekon5 I read most of our posts on the forum. I completly dig your style.

Quote from: Havazhyol on September 26, 2013, 09:26:25 AM
No worry dudes, I'm not into sulking or crying for being corrected when the antithesis to my thesis is well builded (as it has just occured).

When said "I'll be on my rug." it forecasted your sentence DigitalBuddha.

Meekon5 I read most of our posts on the forum. I completly dig your style.