Buddist monks kill muslims!!!!

[DigitalBuddha]

One of these was the book of Hadith which I idly read! Hadith 42 states:

"Allah the Almighty has said: 'O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me, and hope in Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds in the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I shall forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with an earthful of sins and were you then to face Me, without having associated anything with Me, I shall grant you an earthfull of pardon.'??

Okay so I'm turning into a Dudeist weekender (see the brilliant "Goths") by only commenting now and then (be assured I am watching and lurking).

This is identical to christianity (catholosism) as long as you repent bfore you die you can do whatever you want and still go to heaven.

Also, as usual, the focus here is not on Islam as a whole just the Arabic version which is a product of Arabic society, not fully representative of Islam as a whole.

If you want to see a modern representation of Islamic society look at Malaysia, a muslim state that surpasses many "Western" states with it's acceptance of technology and society attitudes.

The reason our TV's are full of "Hatefull" images of "Muslims" screaming hate is because that's exactly what the man wants. How else do you justify a war against "savages".

Well said, M dude.

[Abideist]

I have two words. Fuck you.

Caesar dude...You can pat yourself on the back now. You made a believer out of me.

But in all seriousness, dudes; I decided to do some educating beyond what I have already invested. Which was personal experience and about 10 years of internet research...I dived into the muslim world. Went behind the scene and went as far as to talk to several muslims about this issue.

Thank you. Because of your 'fuck you', I might not have had the motivation to do this in my life. I got out there and had more than just a personal experience. I had a near religious, most definitely dudeist experience.

So let it be known, I no longer think the majority of muslims want me dead.  The imam definitely does however.

I got this story in a email  http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/budd-family/message/3685

My response to something like this is, relax dudes.  If we can't learn to be patient and exercise restraint in condemning all muslims we are no better than when the inquistions were happening. Rick Mathes seems to forget that several popes did endorse the inquisitions. We cannot progress when the practice of religious freedom is attacked, just as we can't tolerate the terrorists that attack those who are unbelievers. That's why we are at war and occupy the middle east. We are sending a message that we will not stand for it dudes. I absolutely believe there are sects of muslims that have no problem with a jihad on non believers. And it's easy to manipulate the youth because they have undeveloped minds, and have not lived long enough to enjoy the freedoms that their country does not have. We need to practice restraint and patience, and eventually I predict there may be amendments to Quran and to the prophets commandments. Just as the bible has been altered. I realize now that it's important to not judge all muslims immediately , because in these modern times I know now that many really don't practice that way. We do have Christmas/Easter Christians, the not so devout. It's not so hard to believe there are muslims that follow the good stuff, like my new testament only neighbors.  The problem is, it only takes one extremist to kill you. And we are currently being attacked on our soil, (USA, Great Britain) which makes it difficult to trust. I wondered why so many Mosques are being built, and I was explained by a man of Islamic faith that this was good thing despite my initial concerns. I forgot about my rights, because I'm an idiot. But it makes perfect sense that in order to keep religious freedom for all, we can't pick and choose to abolish islam just because some of them declare and follow jihad.  If we get aggressive and openly reject them, it gives the government an excuse to restrict religious freedom.
 


Much of my previous distaste for the actions of the extremists stems from the many sources it occurs. It isn't simply Bin Laden and his band of merry morons. It was that it appears so rampant and world wide. The Buddhist provocation was just one more straw to break the camels back and my response was unnecessary and antagonistic. Sorry dude.

I wouldn't want get caught in a dark alley with a group of strange moslem men, but i'm not going to burn down any mosques either.  I wouldn't harm anyone ever unless it was life or death obviously. The scary thing to me is that I was raised to know good and evil and that killing is wrong no matter the circumstance, yet, in the quran the loop hole against non believers is dangerous when misunderstandings and fuck ups like with the monks can go out of control quickly.  Bottom line, no, not all muslims are out to get me and you.  I just hope in 30 years that In & Out burger has a muslim friendly menu.

[Abideist]

 Okay, So Caesar dude, let me offer a bit more explanation.  Also my honest apologies to DB, ForumDude, and RighteousDude, and anyone else I may have offended. Please allow me to do my best at clearing up some misunderstandings from this ill communication.

First and foremost, I am a dude, and I am a dudeist, and I will always be a dudeist regardless if my ordination is revoked or if somehow the government or a Nazi-esque regime tried to take it away from me. And I would also borrow from the quran a bit of espionage and deny my dudeism if under threat of death, if only to feign ignorance and keep practicing my bowling technique in secret. (thank you for the three things video by the way)

Secondly, I am honest when I tell you I do now understand that not all muslims want me dead and it is much like a boy scout troupe that is lead by single mothers, a bit of teaching the wrong things like sewing instead of rowing, and a bit of reading the long lost daddys old scout book before the new edition that doesn't teach about moss growing on the north side of trees because it's bullshit, and then getting your ass lost in the woods with arts in crafts instead of a pocket knife...I don't know why I wrote that, I think I thought I was going somewhere that made more sense. But I'm leaving it because it's funny.
My point being that there are muslims that know right and wrong and will never harm you or I, but because of a few assholes, there continues to be fresh meat ready to do the wrong things. It doesn't help that their version of the pope wants to talk about all this violence instead of a simple dalilamic message of peace.

3. I never said I hate muslims. Ever. I don't know why Ceasar dude you continue to put those words in my mouth. (so to say)
4. I am not racist. I'm not sure if you understand what that word means when you called me a racist. That would mean I hate people based on their beliefs or skin type, or where they are from, but again. I never said hate.
5. I still disapprove of the way certain groups that are not in the majority practice "peace", which I wrongly said F*** about.
6. I'm not available to get online as often as you guys, I will try to do so, if my opinions can be tolerated, but when you leave  5 messages you can bet when I logged in, I read one of them and maybe the guy after that before I had to log off. It's rare I can log in long enough to make these long responses, and normally that is why you might see every blue moon ABIDEIST responding to 10 topics and then disappearing.

okay tired of numbers again. So here are some other points. (I feel very undude like having to lay it out like a defense with all this hoopla, not my style, but im afraid of leaving this issue to spiral out of control again without being more clear and trying to address the anger and comments about what some people seem to think dudeism is about, and how my opinion somehow would effect that)

I think the idea of dudeism is lost to some, and I personally do find it to be a spiritual and very real way of life, not just a movie site, I recognize how funny it is that it stems from a cult film, and obviously that is easily viewed as a joke, but I believe In dudeism for what it represents, it's a name and place for it's time but the thoughts have been here forever. I got this way by over coming my previous religious engagments finding myself, and not adhering to anything specific other than my life for what it is. I have studied religion which helped me realize that FOR ME, dudeism is perfect and says 'hey, I don't believe religion is such a hot idea, we can't truly know anything, enjoy life, and be cool dudes'  however, dudeism to me also represents freedom. Which is greatly overlooked by the dudes coming here to support getting high a cool flick, and some oat sodas. It's so much greater than what one of you fellows scribbled back there, about 'I thought this place was supposed to be all peace and if you exist as a dude, maybe I can't either' or something like that. Okay. So where did it say on the ordination form that your fellow dudes were all going to be relaxing and smoking a doobie while bombs were dropping on the bowling alley and the kaluha is being confiscated by fucking nihilists?  I know how to party man, and I know how to relax, but I also know that I would like to keep doing it forever, and I want my brothers and little achievers to enjoy the same freedom.  I am also a believer that there is a greater reason, a binding force (like star wars) in the galaxy that brings us here, and my walter side is a part of that. It has it's short comings, but without it, I cannot be a true dude. I think that is our own bit of confusion to dudeists. The name is dudeism, so you immediately assume it's all about the dudes personality. Thats' the part you like most, so stick to that and ignore the rest. well if you can do that, more power to you citizen.

Alright, it's late as fuck, I have more to blurb that I hope Caesar and Righteous dude will check in and give me a chance on, but for now Im done.

RicheousDude, sorry you want to be deordained because of a fire I lit, I hope it has helped you to think and grow as a dude even if you don't consider yourself one.

[Caesar dude]

I give in!

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I know it's a minority but it's very disturbing.

I apologise Abeidist for saying "fuck you" I was out of order.

Peace.

[RevKHyler]

Be at peace, brother. We're all together here on this Dudeist journey.

[Masked Dude]

Changing the world one dude at a time.

[DigitalBuddha]

Interesting video. I hope they're only representing a small minority of muslims in London. Very undude.

[Abideist]

Well after you've seen that video and done a little more research I hope you see why I view them as a threat.

Although many muslims are just as ignorant as most Christians who have never even read their own bible, I realize now that most although think I'm already damned and beneath them, a number I can't say want me dead, probably out of them all only a minority would like to do the actual killing. That makes sense, Less than 10% (9.2) of the population of the US, serves in the military. People prepared to kill for freedom, Lets say there are those that would serve that wind up in prison, die, or could but dont; so we will say just 10% to be fair; add 20% because 20% of the US population are police, and US police carry guns which mean they are prepared to kill.

The other 70% are the regular joe citizens who are too afraid to kill, don't believe in it, physically or mentally disabled, or in jail or whatever. 

People are still just people. Humans. It's likely then, that we can use this equation of sorts, with muslims. The only difference is, in their religion you go straight to heaven the minute you kill someone who isn't a believer. I guess that number would increase then, perhaps. Well, I don't know it's all speculation. But for now I'll just assume that 3/10 muslims would be capable of killing.

Just out of curiosity, any dudes here that were formerly muslim?

Now lets also use this funny hillbilly math to show ignorance of religion. A study shows that roughly only 60% of Christians read the bible, and not all devoutly. That means 40% haven't even read the fucker even if they own a copy. Only 12% of that 60% read it day to day. The 'extremists'.  Okay, so lets say only 12% of muslims are extremists that know according to their religion, allah wants you to kill non believers and will reward you if you do; that means roughly 1 out 10 muslims WANTS to kill dudes.
And roughly 40% of Muslims probably don't know shit.

Opinions?

[Caesar dude]

Interesting video. I hope they're only representing a small minority of muslims in London. Very undude.

This isn't London. It's Luton. A tiny place in comparison!

[Hominid]

I've read the bible through more than a few times...  maybe I'll order a Qu'ran from amazon and do the same thing so I can speak with some authority... I've read some good "takes" on it, but unless we can claim at least some familiarity with it, arguing with extremist Muslims is a waste of time.  Interpretations of sacred text is an exercise in "tit for tat". If you don't know yer shit, don't come to the table.

Example: I was good at arguing with Jehova Witnesses because I knew my bible better than all the local elders. They're a typical twist on Christianity that serves their own belief system with a re-written bible, but don't stand up to scrutiny. (Not that the bible stands up to scrutiny, but you get my drift)   

It's all about the "haves" and the "have-nots". Human pride. It stinks.

[Edit]: Everyone: have a beer & a burger. Preferably while not in an iron lung.

[Caesar dude]

You can't read the Qu'ran unless you can read Arabic. I've read a translation. But devout followers tell me it's in the Arabic words and inflection that give it different meanings.

You could read a hundred translations and all off them would be different and all of them would be invalid because they were not written in Allah's words.

[Masked Dude]

That's an age-old problem. As someone with family who don't speak English (or very little), I know at times translating loses something.

One man who published a book saying maybe the Qur'an was translated incorrectly is now in hiding.

Language is a funny thing.

[DigitalBuddha]

You can't read the Qu'ran unless you can read Arabic. I've read a translation. But devout followers tell me it's in the Arabic words and inflection that give it different meanings.

You could read a hundred translations and all off them would be different and all of them would be invalid because they were not written in Allah's words.

RE: "You can't read the Qu'ran unless you can read Arabic. I've read a translation. But devout followers tell me it's in the Arabic words and inflection that give it different meanings."

Yes, that might be true, some of what is in the Quran as translated into English might be wrong, BUT, I don't care what they say is in the Quran, I care what Islam is in fact doing, what the reality of islam is, not what one version of it in one language is. Also, islamic terrorists, such as Bin Laden CAN AND DID read it in Arabic and we're (and are) violent terrorists. So, as far as they are concerned, the Quran commands violence against non-muslims. And who are you or me to tell them they are wrong? It's like their opinion, man. I have heard muslims in high positions who read fluid Arabic state that to...

kill infidels,
beat women,
raping teenagers is the fault of the teenager and she should be killed for adultery EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS RAPED
death to America,
terrorism is OK if in the name of allah,
Jew are pigs and apes, kill them,
Hitler was a great man because he was killing Jews,
a women's testimony in court counts for only 1/2 of what a man says,
slavery is OK according to allah,

etc., etc., etc. is the will of allah as revealed in the Quran IN ARABIC.

...religion of peace? Not as far as those who CAN read the Quran in the original language say so and DO SO.

How to beat women in Islam here the truth  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bFVAlij_Xw

And I quote... ""allah honored wives by instating the punishment of beatings""

Islam: how to Beat Your Wife  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Tw7WhH_aQ



That's just like my opinion, man.

[Hominid]

Unfortunately, any brand of religion gets protection JUST BECAUSE it's religion.  That needs to change dude. The influx of [name the religion] into North America is changing the landscape... more "tolerance" will be legislated. We're loosing ground dude. I highly expect a squad of religious [fill in name] people will start burning shit on our front lawns. Geeze, where have I seen that before? We're devolving. I can't stand to think where we'll be in 50 to 100 years.

[MindAbiding]

Your math's wrong, Dude.  Fewer than 1% of Americans are in law enforcement-- that includes clerks and administrative staff as well as officers.  Check in out, dude (http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/police/index.html).  Your 10% number of military is probably also high, since it includes veterans and people who no longer serve, but let's call it that.  That means that only 11% of Americans, on your way of thinking about it, are willing to kill to defend a way of life.

Next, your 12% of 60% amounts to only 7%.  Think of it this way:  if there are 100 Christians, only 60 of them read the Bible (60%), and only 12% of THEM (if I'm understanding your logic) are "extremists."  That's about 7 people.

So, again, keeping to your logic, the number of people who are willing to bear arms in defense of a "way of life" is 11%, and the number of extremists in your group is 7%.  Any way you cut it, that's a very small number, possibly less than 1%, maybe a little higher if you think that being an extremist makes you more willing to bear arms.

That's if we grant your logic, but I gotta say I don't agree with any of your underlying assumptions, Dude.  For example, I don't think it's fair to say that people who read a religious text daily are extremists.  You're assuming they take the contents literally, require the same level of belief from others, etc.  So, there's a bunch of holes there, but I thought I'd chime in just to point out that even if we grant your logic, it's not likely that 10% of Muslims want you, me, or any of us dead.

Well after you've seen that video and done a little more research I hope you see why I view them as a threat.

Although many muslims are just as ignorant as most Christians who have never even read their own bible, I realize now that most although think I'm already damned and beneath them, a number I can't say want me dead, probably out of them all only a minority would like to do the actual killing. That makes sense, Less than 10% (9.2) of the population of the US, serves in the military. People prepared to kill for freedom, Lets say there are those that would serve that wind up in prison, die, or could but dont; so we will say just 10% to be fair; add 20% because 20% of the US population are police, and US police carry guns which mean they are prepared to kill.

The other 70% are the regular joe citizens who are too afraid to kill, don't believe in it, physically or mentally disabled, or in jail or whatever. 

People are still just people. Humans. It's likely then, that we can use this equation of sorts, with muslims. The only difference is, in their religion you go straight to heaven the minute you kill someone who isn't a believer. I guess that number would increase then, perhaps. Well, I don't know it's all speculation. But for now I'll just assume that 3/10 muslims would be capable of killing.

Just out of curiosity, any dudes here that were formerly muslim?

Now lets also use this funny hillbilly math to show ignorance of religion. A study shows that roughly only 60% of Christians read the bible, and not all devoutly. That means 40% haven't even read the fucker even if they own a copy. Only 12% of that 60% read it day to day. The 'extremists'.  Okay, so lets say only 12% of muslims are extremists that know according to their religion, allah wants you to kill non believers and will reward you if you do; that means roughly 1 out 10 muslims WANTS to kill dudes.
And roughly 40% of Muslims probably don't know shit.

Opinions?