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Well, I've been a fan of Garnet Rogers for decades - a Canadian folk musician whose brother is the more famous Stan Rogers who passed back in the early eighties. Anyway, I knew this guy was a bit uptight, but it turns out the 2 x 4 up his ass is higher and bigger than I thought.

I live in a little hamlet that has a cafe that brings in live music - some big acts have come through, and musicians actually love the place. So being a photographer, I was shooting some stills of this dude like I've dome for countless other musicians; and as usual - no flash, just autofocus assist (a little red/infra-red LED comes on). Well, after the second last song, he very sternly asks me to stop, embarrassing me, and making himself look kinda wound up in front of 90 people. After the show, he tears a new one in me, forbidding me from ever coming to any of his shows again, that I ruined his night, and ruined it for everyone else who shelled out 25 clams to see him. He wouldn't accept any kins of apology, so I put up my hand, said "Have a life" and walked out.

I'm really glad I didn't buy any of his CDs.  What a fucking looser.

Quote from: Hominid on December 08, 2012, 05:01:56 PM
Well, I've been a fan of Garnet Rogers for decades - a Canadian folk musician whose brother is the more famous Stan Rogers who passed back in the early eighties. Anyway, I knew this guy was a bit uptight, but it turns out the 2 x 4 up his ass is higher and bigger than I thought.

I live in a little hamlet that has a cafe that brings in live music - some big acts have come through, and musicians actually love the place. So being a photographer, I was shooting some stills of this dude like I've dome for countless other musicians; and as usual - no flash, just autofocus assist (a little red/infra-red LED comes on). Well, after the second last song, he very sternly asks me to stop, embarrassing me, and making himself look kinda wound up in front of 90 people. After the show, he tears a new one in me, forbidding me from ever coming to any of his shows again, that I ruined his night, and ruined it for everyone else who shelled out 25 clams to see him. He wouldn't accept any kins of apology, so I put up my hand, said "Have a life" and walked out.

I'm really glad I didn't buy any of his CDs.  What a fucking looser.

Sounds like he belongs in the square community, and was being very undude. Way too uptight, perhaps he needs to embrace a limber mind? Maybe he hasn't had any coitus, er um, excuse me, I mean Vagina, in many a moon? Oh well, fuck it; life goes on man.


IMHO.

Life does go on. I felt genuinely sad for him - to be trapped in a mindset that is addicted to anger. What a jail sentence.

Quote from: Hominid on December 08, 2012, 05:48:45 PM
Life does go on. I felt genuinely sad for him - to be trapped in a mindset that is addicted to anger. What a jail sentence.

Fuckin' eh, that's no way to live IMHO.

Quote from: Hominid on December 08, 2012, 05:01:56 PM
I'm really glad I didn't buy any of his CDs.  What a fucking looser.

An old friend of mine was a roadie, a truck driver whose company pulled big name bands around the country. He had a congenital heart condition that surely has killed him by now... life moved on and I went with it, so we lost track of each other before the 1990's barely got up a head of steam. Anyway:

My buddy, knowing he wouldn't reach the age of 40, had an autograph book that was his donation to posterity. Every band he ever pulled was in there, and when he was dragging Bob Dylan's shit around the country he approached the guy for an autograph. He explained what it was for and why, and Dylan said to him, "I don't do autographs, man. I'm a legend". So my friend thanked him and walked away. The remaining crew who witnessed this bullshit got to talking about it, word got around, and someone confronted ole Bob about it. If he didn't sign the book he was going to have to find a new crew... so Dylan apologized and signed the book.

If you hang around the music or movies businesses for a while you'll see some really low shit, but Dylan was lower than the whole lot. That's saying a lot, really. I mean, a dude walks up to you and explains that he's not going to survive the current decade and wants to leave something special behind to be remembered by, and you tell him to fuck off because you're too good to scribble out an autograph for him? Lower than whatever it is that decomposes the rotting carcasses of whatever it is that eats whale shit, that's what that is.

Your uptight square, he was that kind of low. Maybe not pushing the limits, but that kind nevertheless.

Quote from: RighteousDude on December 09, 2012, 02:35:38 AM

Quote from: Hominid on December 08, 2012, 05:01:56 PM
I'm really glad I didn't buy any of his CDs.  What a fucking looser.

An old friend of mine was a roadie, a truck driver whose company pulled big name bands around the country. He had a congenital heart condition that surely has killed him by now... life moved on and I went with it, so we lost track of each other before the 1990's barely got up a head of steam. Anyway:

My buddy, knowing he wouldn't reach the age of 40, had an autograph book that was his donation to posterity. Every band he ever pulled was in there, and when he was dragging Bob Dylan's shit around the country he approached the guy for an autograph. He explained what it was for and why, and Dylan said to him, "I don't do autographs, man. I'm a legend". So my friend thanked him and walked away. The remaining crew who witnessed this bullshit got to talking about it, word got around, and someone confronted ole Bob about it. If he didn't sign the book he was going to have to find a new crew... so Dylan apologized and signed the book.

If you hang around the music or movies businesses for a while you'll see some really low shit, but Dylan was lower than the whole lot. That's saying a lot, really. I mean, a dude walks up to you and explains that he's not going to survive the current decade and wants to leave something special behind to be remembered by, and you tell him to fuck off because you're too good to scribble out an autograph for him? Lower than whatever it is that decomposes the rotting carcasses of whatever it is that eats whale shit, that's what that is.

Your uptight square, he was that kind of low. Maybe not pushing the limits, but that kind nevertheless.

That is one real fuckin interestin story RD and I can resonate with your negative vibes towards His Bobfulness with him be'in so inconsiderate 'n all.
On the other hand I know that I've been a total asshole myself plenty of times, so maybe it's a little harsh to define Big Bob or anyone else by one mistake.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are other stories out there where he was cool.

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on December 09, 2012, 01:36:16 PM

Quote from: RighteousDude on December 09, 2012, 02:35:38 AM

Quote from: Hominid on December 08, 2012, 05:01:56 PM
I'm really glad I didn't buy any of his CDs.  What a fucking looser.

An old friend of mine was a roadie, a truck driver whose company pulled big name bands around the country. He had a congenital heart condition that surely has killed him by now... life moved on and I went with it, so we lost track of each other before the 1990's barely got up a head of steam. Anyway:

My buddy, knowing he wouldn't reach the age of 40, had an autograph book that was his donation to posterity. Every band he ever pulled was in there, and when he was dragging Bob Dylan's shit around the country he approached the guy for an autograph. He explained what it was for and why, and Dylan said to him, "I don't do autographs, man. I'm a legend". So my friend thanked him and walked away. The remaining crew who witnessed this bullshit got to talking about it, word got around, and someone confronted ole Bob about it. If he didn't sign the book he was going to have to find a new crew... so Dylan apologized and signed the book.

If you hang around the music or movies businesses for a while you'll see some really low shit, but Dylan was lower than the whole lot. That's saying a lot, really. I mean, a dude walks up to you and explains that he's not going to survive the current decade and wants to leave something special behind to be remembered by, and you tell him to fuck off because you're too good to scribble out an autograph for him? Lower than whatever it is that decomposes the rotting carcasses of whatever it is that eats whale shit, that's what that is.

Your uptight square, he was that kind of low. Maybe not pushing the limits, but that kind nevertheless.

That is one real fuckin interestin story RD and I can resonate with your negative vibes towards His Bobfulness with him be'in so inconsiderate 'n all.
On the other hand I know that I've been a total asshole myself plenty of times, so maybe it's a little harsh to define Big Bob or anyone else by one mistake.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are other stories out there where he was cool.

Intentionally being an asshole isn't "making a mistake". Mistakes are sins of omission. When one goes out of their way to be a human paraquat, THAT'S inexcusable until such a person admits fully to their actions and asks forgiveness.

Quote from: Hominid on December 09, 2012, 03:41:03 PM

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on December 09, 2012, 01:36:16 PM

Quote from: RighteousDude on December 09, 2012, 02:35:38 AM

Quote from: Hominid on December 08, 2012, 05:01:56 PM
I'm really glad I didn't buy any of his CDs.  What a fucking looser.

An old friend of mine was a roadie, a truck driver whose company pulled big name bands around the country. He had a congenital heart condition that surely has killed him by now... life moved on and I went with it, so we lost track of each other before the 1990's barely got up a head of steam. Anyway:

My buddy, knowing he wouldn't reach the age of 40, had an autograph book that was his donation to posterity. Every band he ever pulled was in there, and when he was dragging Bob Dylan's shit around the country he approached the guy for an autograph. He explained what it was for and why, and Dylan said to him, "I don't do autographs, man. I'm a legend". So my friend thanked him and walked away. The remaining crew who witnessed this bullshit got to talking about it, word got around, and someone confronted ole Bob about it. If he didn't sign the book he was going to have to find a new crew... so Dylan apologized and signed the book.

If you hang around the music or movies businesses for a while you'll see some really low shit, but Dylan was lower than the whole lot. That's saying a lot, really. I mean, a dude walks up to you and explains that he's not going to survive the current decade and wants to leave something special behind to be remembered by, and you tell him to fuck off because you're too good to scribble out an autograph for him? Lower than whatever it is that decomposes the rotting carcasses of whatever it is that eats whale shit, that's what that is.

Your uptight square, he was that kind of low. Maybe not pushing the limits, but that kind nevertheless.

That is one real fuckin interestin story RD and I can resonate with your negative vibes towards His Bobfulness with him be'in so inconsiderate 'n all.
On the other hand I know that I've been a total asshole myself plenty of times, so maybe it's a little harsh to define Big Bob or anyone else by one mistake.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are other stories out there where he was cool.

Intentionally being an asshole isn't "making a mistake". Mistakes are sins of omission. When one goes out of their way to be a human paraquat, THAT'S inexcusable until such a person admits fully to their actions and asks forgiveness.

Yeah, i know what you mean dude but i'm thinking that a big problem with a lot of people is a kinda lack of awareness which can come across as intentional assholeness. Loads of stuff I've done I've later thought 'Jesus dude how could I have been such a dick, people must have thought i was a real asshole' but it hasn't really been intentional. I once met Princess Diana and she behaved like a real asshole but i later realised she had a lot on her mind with a divorce coming up and what have you. It's hard not to take things personally though.

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on December 09, 2012, 01:36:16 PM
On the other hand I know that I've been a total asshole myself plenty of times, so maybe it's a little harsh to define Big Bob or anyone else by one mistake.

It's hard to parse "i don't do autographs, man. I'm a legend." in any other way than pure asshole. Those words cannot come out of your mouth if you've never thought them before.

In my field of endeavor I'm a bit of a minor guru. I've never even thought of speaking words like those.

Quote from: RighteousDude on December 10, 2012, 01:52:12 AM

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on December 09, 2012, 01:36:16 PM
On the other hand I know that I've been a total asshole myself plenty of times, so maybe it's a little harsh to define Big Bob or anyone else by one mistake.

It's hard to parse "i don't do autographs, man. I'm a legend." in any other way than pure asshole. Those words cannot come out of your mouth if you've never thought them before.

In my field of endeavor I'm a bit of a minor guru. I've never even thought of speaking words like those.

True, that is a strange thing to say, if those really were his exact words. But then Dylan IS a legend and the bottom line is that if someone asks you to do something you have a right to say 'no'. His genius was not a great singing voice but his creative, idiosyncratic use of language. Little tough to beat him over the head for not responding with the sort of orthodox words you or I might use, when the public have spent decades praising Big Bob for his flow of consciousnes wordsmithery.

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on December 10, 2012, 02:13:40 AM

Quote from: RighteousDude on December 10, 2012, 01:52:12 AM

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on December 09, 2012, 01:36:16 PM
On the other hand I know that I've been a total asshole myself plenty of times, so maybe it's a little harsh to define Big Bob or anyone else by one mistake.

It's hard to parse "i don't do autographs, man. I'm a legend." in any other way than pure asshole. Those words cannot come out of your mouth if you've never thought them before.

In my field of endeavor I'm a bit of a minor guru. I've never even thought of speaking words like those.

True, that is a strange thing to say, if those really were his exact words. But then Dylan IS a legend and the bottom line is that if someone asks you to do something you have a right to say 'no'. His genius was not a great singing voice but his creative, idiosyncratic use of language. Little tough to beat him over the head for not responding with the sort of orthodox words you or I might use, when the public have spent decades praising Big Bob for his flow of consciousnes wordsmithery.

*STILL* doesn't excuse him. Plain and simple. I personally know someone who is world-known for his craft - he's the best in the world, but has done ass-hole things that have pissed off me and others. His stature provides NO reason, excuse, or justification for being an ass-hole. There's just no two ways around that... If Dylan said that, he's an ass.

Quote from: Hominid on December 10, 2012, 01:16:45 PM

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on December 10, 2012, 02:13:40 AM

Quote from: RighteousDude on December 10, 2012, 01:52:12 AM

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on December 09, 2012, 01:36:16 PM
On the other hand I know that I've been a total asshole myself plenty of times, so maybe it's a little harsh to define Big Bob or anyone else by one mistake.

It's hard to parse "i don't do autographs, man. I'm a legend." in any other way than pure asshole. Those words cannot come out of your mouth if you've never thought them before.

In my field of endeavor I'm a bit of a minor guru. I've never even thought of speaking words like those.

True, that is a strange thing to say, if those really were his exact words. But then Dylan IS a legend and the bottom line is that if someone asks you to do something you have a right to say 'no'. His genius was not a great singing voice but his creative, idiosyncratic use of language. Little tough to beat him over the head for not responding with the sort of orthodox words you or I might use, when the public have spent decades praising Big Bob for his flow of consciousnes wordsmithery.

*STILL* doesn't excuse him. Plain and simple. I personally know someone who is world-known for his craft - he's the best in the world, but has done ass-hole things that have pissed off me and others. His stature provides NO reason, excuse, or justification for being an ass-hole. There's just no two ways around that... If Dylan said that, he's an ass.

I'm with you Hominid. Sounds like he acted like a Dick.

Hey BD - you'r signature pic is broke...

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on December 10, 2012, 02:13:40 AMLittle tough to beat him over the head for not responding with the sort of orthodox words you or I might use, when the public have spent decades praising Big Bob for his flow of consciousnes wordsmithery.

Fame does not excuse assholery in my view, so it's really very easy for me to metaphorically beat Dylan over the head for being a smugly superior piece of shit who so callously dismissed another human being. I have no fucks to give about whether or not a guy wants to sign autographs, but being an asshole of that extraordinary magnitude just isn't excusable. But that's just my opinion...

Quote from: Hominid on December 10, 2012, 01:51:21 PM
Hey BD - you'r signature pic is broke...

No way!?
It's working here.
Try a ctrl-f