This week's verse comes from the Book of Deuteronomy, Chapter 23, verse 1.
Before somebody cries foul, I want to assert that this verse comes not from the Christian Bible, but from the Torah, which predates the Christian Scriptures by at least a couple of thousand years or so. Here it is:
"No man whose testicles have been crushed or whose penis has been cut off may participate in the assembly of the LORD." (Deut. 23:1, NIV)
In other words: back in the olden times in Israel, a man who'd had his johnson and/or testicles cut off was not allowed to go to the Temple.
It is about 1200 to 1300 years prior but not all of it.
Also that command was for sons of Aaron who took care of the temple stuff. It did extend to other people in that was seen as wrong to be hurting man's Johnson.
What is your point for this?
My point is, that this is my verse from a sacred text (other than the Bible) of the week. Also, that cutting off another man's johnson is never cool, regardless of social/historical context.
Torah is bible
Maybe I'm over the line on this but again what in gods name are you blathering about?. I don't see what this has to do with duideism. Is there a question some comparing reference?. What are you trying to discuss here?. Or are you just trying to find a way to preach at us?.
Lets just settle this once and for all! Is Dudeism by way of this forum anti-god, anti-christian, etc and for the most part atheist based? Is the concept of a Greater power absolutely forbidden and will always be spit upon in here? Settle it, draw a line in the sand and define it once and for ALL.
So Icon can know. So I can know. So anyone can know.
Sick of this, does not explain my position and really need to know if I will get a rug elsewhere. For one the whole constant bashing of ones faith is undude, but of course that is just my opinion. The seeing one says they been treated badly from some christians does not mean all are that way nor does it mean that is what is exceptable. To keep seeing such hateful things every other post is making me believe that Dudeism here on this forum is undude. If any been wronged, another wrong does not make it right... That is what parents teach us growing up, and they are not worng on that.
Settle this now! Line drawn. Define it and put it in the rules or mark it zero that this bashing must not stand!!!!
Whoa I did not post that as hateful nor was it anti Christian. If it came across that way I apologize. I don't think dudeism has anything for or against any other religion. My question was what is the point of the post is it a question a comparative or an interesting fact?. What is being discussed here that is my question?. Or is he preaching something?. That's where I'm coming from.
I mean take religion out of it. Say I came on here and posted a quote and said this is from this movie it means this and that's all I post . People are going to wonder what in gods name am I blathering about?. What is the point of the post what is being disscussed?. Or am I just saying hey look at me I watched this movie. Which is fine a bit odd maybe but I'm curious what the point is.
No Sleevez, this is in general clear across the whole of it all.
The reason for the post of Icon is obvious... that old Judaism saw the cutting off of a man's johnson is undude. But in general making such a post ALWAYS gets reactionary shit
I repeat:
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 09:43:20 AM
My point is...that cutting off another man's johnson is never cool, regardless of social/historical context.
It's like watching
I Love Lucy, Sleevez: if you don't like it, then don't view it. Up to you.
Quote from: Shagbeard on February 02, 2014, 12:10:55 PM
No Sleevez, this is in general clear across the whole of it all.
The reason for the post of Icon is obvious... that old Judaism saw the cutting off of a man's johnson is undude. But in general making such a post ALWAYS gets reactionary shit
Thanks for having my back, Shagbeard. What you write is the truth.
I just asked what the point of the post was now that you have said it understand.
I do apologize I missed your first response explaining your point.
Quote from: Shagbeard on February 02, 2014, 10:38:37 AM
Torah is bible
True, Torah is Bible. However, not all Bible is Torah. There is a big difference between the two.
To whom it may concern: my name is not Thinkingdude, and I am not here to start any shit. So please: if some of you simply do not like Christians and Christianity, then just man up and say so. It does not offend me, and I do not take it personally. Just be honest about it. I'm not trying to scam anybody here.
No sweat, Sleevez. Now do you see my point?
Yes I see the point of the post.
Also, in 1 Samuel, David brought King Saul a bag full of Philistine foreskins; more than a hundred Philistine foreskins were in David's bag.
My point is, that even in that instance, the cutting off of another man's johnson (even a Philistine johnson) was considered most undude. The foreskins were one thing, but the johnson was off-limits. Dig me?
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 12:12:56 PM
I repeat:
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 09:43:20 AM
My point is...that cutting off another man's johnson is never cool, regardless of social/historical context.
It's like watching I Love Lucy, Sleevez: if you don't like it, then don't view it. Up to you.
Actually no it's not, and you're doing it again.
We are not anti-christian but all you're doing here is saying a man who has had his johnson removed can't enter the jewish temple.
And shagbeard I'm a Dudeist Pagan I have more gods than most of you have all put together. We are not anti god or anti christian it's just we are not christians. This is not a branch of christianity.
I agree with Sleevez this doesn't make sense because it's coming from the wrong direction.
Again this doesn't make sense because all you are doing is taking odd moments from the film and linking them to other sources.
The point of the film for dudeists is the example of the Dude.
Again I repeat the film is not a holy text. Not the same way the bible, the torah, or the koran, tells people how to live.
Again I find myself repeating you are confusing the finger that points to the moon with the moon itself.
The nihilists threatening to remove the Dudes johnson is not a holy statement it's just a situation where you should be learning from the Dude's reaction and seeing if that's similar to your own point of view. It's not about the removal of the Dudes johnson.
There are plenty of Dudeist Christians on the forum who are not pushing the line or text of their belief.
I'm not a mod or admin, so I'm speaking only for myself. Dudeism had not been, is not, or will ever be against any religion, philosophy, belief, or lqck thereof.
If people would stop looking for fights or pushing things then we could all abide and learn.
Quote from: meekon5 on February 02, 2014, 04:23:49 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 12:12:56 PM
I repeat:
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 09:43:20 AM
My point is...that cutting off another man's johnson is never cool, regardless of social/historical context.
It's like watching I Love Lucy, Sleevez: if you don't like it, then don't view it. Up to you.
Actually no it's not, and you're doing it again.
We are not anti-christian but all you're doing here is saying a man who has had his johnson removed can't enter the jewish temple.
And shagbeard I'm a Dudeist Pagan I have more gods than most of you have all put together. We are not anti god or anti christian it's just we are not christians. This is not a branch of christianity.
I agree with Sleevez this doesn't make sense because it's coming from the wrong direction.
Again this doesn't make sense because all you are doing is taking odd moments from the film and linking them to other sources.
The point of the film for dudeists is the example of the Dude.
Again I repeat the film is not a holy text. Not the same way the bible, the torah, or the koran, tells people how to live.
Again I find myself repeating you are confusing the finger that points to the moon with the moon itself.
The nihilists threatening to remove the Dudes johnson is not a holy statement it's just a situation where you should be learning from the Dude's reaction and seeing if that's similar to your own point of view. It's not about the removal of the Dudes johnson.
There are plenty of Dudeist Christians on the forum who are not pushing the line or text of their belief.
This is all, all of it, just, like,
your opinion, man. With all respect: who are you, the Voice of Dudeism? I'm certainly not.
Please dig this, if you'd care to. It's an article entitled Dudeism for Christians. Thanks for turning me on to it, Shagbeard.
http://shagbeard.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/208/ (http://shagbeard.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/208/)
This brings up an idea from my beer soaked limber mind; Dudeist Degrees. Something such as a "DDP." "Doctor of Dudeist Philosophy" or "DDR" "Doctor of Dudeist Religion" "DTE" "Doctor of Takin' Er Easy" (...this, after 2 beers; who knows what beer 3 or 4 will come up with).
Thoughts, dudes?
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:12:52 PM
This brings up an idea from my beer soaked limber mind; Dudeist Degrees. Something such as a "DDP." "Doctor of Dudeist Philosophy" or "DDR" "Doctor of Dudeist Religion" "DTE" "Doctor of Takin' Er Easy" (...this, after 2 beers; who knows what beer 3 or 4 will come up with).
Thoughts, dudes?
Oh, so now we are introducing hierarchies, a sort of Dudeist clergy/laity system. What do you want this to turn into, a Dudeist cult? F**k all that, I say.
Shall we address you as the "Dudifex Maximus" now, meekon5? ;D
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:12:52 PM
This brings up an idea from my beer soaked limber mind; Dudeist Degrees. Something such as a "DDP." "Doctor of Dudeist Philosophy" or "DDR" "Doctor of Dudeist Religion" "DTE" "Doctor of Takin' Er Easy" (...this, after 2 beers; who knows what beer 3 or 4 will come up with).
Thoughts, dudes?
Oh, so now we are introducing hierarchies, a sort of Dudeist clergy/laity system. What do you want this to turn into, a Dudeist cult? F**k all that, I say.
Shall we now address you as the "Dudifex Maximas" now, meekon5?
No hierarchies, degrees aren't hierarchies. I was talking about recognition for valuable contributions to Dudeist thought.
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:20:39 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:12:52 PM
This brings up an idea from my beer soaked limber mind; Dudeist Degrees. Something such as a "DDP." "Doctor of Dudeist Philosophy" or "DDR" "Doctor of Dudeist Religion" "DTE" "Doctor of Takin' Er Easy" (...this, after 2 beers; who knows what beer 3 or 4 will come up with).
Thoughts, dudes?
Oh, so now we are introducing hierarchies, a sort of Dudeist clergy/laity system. What do you want this to turn into, a Dudeist cult? F**k all that, I say.
Shall we now address you as the "Dudifex Maximas" now, meekon5?
No hierarchies, degrees aren't hierarchies. I was talking about recognition for valuable contributions to Dudeist thought.
And I think that you are trying to introduce just another form of some clergy/laity system, so that you can be a reactionary know-it-all, and feel justified in it. I thought that were all equals here, man. Or are some Dudeists more equal than others (to borrow from
Animal Farm)?
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 07:26:06 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:20:39 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:12:52 PM
This brings up an idea from my beer soaked limber mind; Dudeist Degrees. Something such as a "DDP." "Doctor of Dudeist Philosophy" or "DDR" "Doctor of Dudeist Religion" "DTE" "Doctor of Takin' Er Easy" (...this, after 2 beers; who knows what beer 3 or 4 will come up with).
Thoughts, dudes?
Oh, so now we are introducing hierarchies, a sort of Dudeist clergy/laity system. What do you want this to turn into, a Dudeist cult? F**k all that, I say.
Shall we now address you as the "Dudifex Maximas" now, meekon5?
No hierarchies, degrees aren't hierarchies. I was talking about recognition for valuable contributions to Dudeist thought.
And I think that you are trying to introduce just another form of some clergy/laity system, so that you can be a reactionary know-it-all, and feel justified in it. I thought that were all equals here, man. Or are some Dudeists more equal than others (to borrow from Animal Farm)?
Or instead of a clergy/laity thing, maybe (by suggesting degrees) that we turn this into a kind of Department of Dudeist Studies, with Ollie as the Department Chair and you in the role of one of the pompous professors, with all of the rest of us n the role of your brown-nosing students? Is that more along the lines of what you were thinking, meekon5? I say f**k that, too.
You are simply trying to turn this into more of a
club, or a
clique, and I am allergic to groupthink in all forms and in all contexts, man.
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 07:26:06 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:20:39 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:12:52 PM
This brings up an idea from my beer soaked limber mind; Dudeist Degrees. Something such as a "DDP." "Doctor of Dudeist Philosophy" or "DDR" "Doctor of Dudeist Religion" "DTE" "Doctor of Takin' Er Easy" (...this, after 2 beers; who knows what beer 3 or 4 will come up with).
Thoughts, dudes?
Oh, so now we are introducing hierarchies, a sort of Dudeist clergy/laity system. What do you want this to turn into, a Dudeist cult? F**k all that, I say.
Shall we now address you as the "Dudifex Maximas" now, meekon5?
No hierarchies, degrees aren't hierarchies. I was talking about recognition for valuable contributions to Dudeist thought.
And I think that you are trying to introduce just another form of some clergy/laity system, so that you can be a reactionary know-it-all, and feel justified in it. I thought that were all equals here, man. Or are some Dudeists more equal than others (to borrow from Animal Farm)?
Since when is a degree necessarily a "clergy/laity system?" Is everyone with a B.A, M.A, PhD, a clergy in a "clergy/laity system?"
Besides, we all ready have Dudeist clergy... "The Dudely Lama," and "The Arch Dude of York."
Why not degrees?
Check out - https://www.facebook.com/Dudeism/posts/457886154232873?comment_id=5415458&offset=0&total_comments=4 (https://www.facebook.com/Dudeism/posts/457886154232873?comment_id=5415458&offset=0&total_comments=4)
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:31:00 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 07:26:06 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:20:39 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:12:52 PM
This brings up an idea from my beer soaked limber mind; Dudeist Degrees. Something such as a "DDP." "Doctor of Dudeist Philosophy" or "DDR" "Doctor of Dudeist Religion" "DTE" "Doctor of Takin' Er Easy" (...this, after 2 beers; who knows what beer 3 or 4 will come up with).
Thoughts, dudes?
Oh, so now we are introducing hierarchies, a sort of Dudeist clergy/laity system. What do you want this to turn into, a Dudeist cult? F**k all that, I say.
Shall we now address you as the "Dudifex Maximas" now, meekon5?
No hierarchies, degrees aren't hierarchies. I was talking about recognition for valuable contributions to Dudeist thought.
And I think that you are trying to introduce just another form of some clergy/laity system, so that you can be a reactionary know-it-all, and feel justified in it. I thought that were all equals here, man. Or are some Dudeists more equal than others (to borrow from Animal Farm)?
Since when is a degree necessarily a "clergy/laity system?" Is everyone with a B.A, M.A, PhD, a clergy in a "clergy/laity system?"
Besides, we all ready have Dudeist clergy... "The Dudely Lama," and "The Arch Dude of York."
Why not degrees?
Check out - https://www.facebook.com/Dudeism/posts/457886154232873?comment_id=5415458&offset=0&total_comments=4 (https://www.facebook.com/Dudeism/posts/457886154232873?comment_id=5415458&offset=0&total_comments=4)
You are simply trying to turn this into more of a
club, or a
clique, or perhaps even an out-and-out
cult, and I am allergic to groupthink in all forms and in all contexts, man. Non-conformist groups often just turn into vectors of control for people who take the groups by with they identify waaaay to seriously. And besides, my proper title is "Swami". So that's what you call me.
Quote from: meekon5 on February 02, 2014, 04:23:49 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 12:12:56 PM
I repeat:
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 09:43:20 AM
My point is...that cutting off another man's johnson is never cool, regardless of social/historical context.
It's like watching I Love Lucy, Sleevez: if you don't like it, then don't view it. Up to you.
Actually no it's not, and you're doing it again.
We are not anti-christian but all you're doing here is saying a man who has had his johnson removed can't enter the jewish temple.
And shagbeard I'm a Dudeist Pagan I have more gods than most of you have all put together. We are not anti god or anti christian it's just we are not christians. This is not a branch of christianity.
I agree with Sleevez this doesn't make sense because it's coming from the wrong direction.
Again this doesn't make sense because all you are doing is taking odd moments from the film and linking them to other sources.
The point of the film for dudeists is the example of the Dude.
Again I repeat the film is not a holy text. Not the same way the bible, the torah, or the koran, tells people how to live.
Again I find myself repeating you are confusing the finger that points to the moon with the moon itself.
The nihilists threatening to remove the Dudes johnson is not a holy statement it's just a situation where you should be learning from the Dude's reaction and seeing if that's similar to your own point of view. It's not about the removal of the Dudes johnson.
There are plenty of Dudeist Christians on the forum who are not pushing the line or text of their belief.
I could go quote the other place that has the broad context it is bad and forbidden to cut off johnsons and what have you but that is not even what I desire to do. I am only saying this because it is very big thing in this forum to harp on this one topic in nasty tone and mock.
As for what would the Dude respond like to things like this, well i clearly see it much different. I just can not abide where I feel like I am hated, neither did the Dude. Fuck it!
None of you can deny that the first thing that is said is that it is some agenda to tear you down or disturb your beech community. Whatever! I been trying to abide but that is not going to happen when this is going on.
Quote from: Masked Dude on February 02, 2014, 06:14:22 PM
I'm not a mod or admin, so I'm speaking only for myself. Dudeism had not been, is not, or will ever be against any religion, philosophy, belief, or lqck thereof.
If people would stop looking for fights or pushing things then we could all abide and learn.
Wow, exactly. It just, is like amazing shit right there. However, as I had been trying to do just that Topics and posts come up that are totally against it. Again I been trying but just can not abide when it is all over this forum. None can deny that.
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:31:00 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 07:26:06 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:20:39 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:12:52 PM
This brings up an idea from my beer soaked limber mind; Dudeist Degrees. Something such as a "DDP." "Doctor of Dudeist Philosophy" or "DDR" "Doctor of Dudeist Religion" "DTE" "Doctor of Takin' Er Easy" (...this, after 2 beers; who knows what beer 3 or 4 will come up with).
Thoughts, dudes?
Oh, so now we are introducing hierarchies, a sort of Dudeist clergy/laity system. What do you want this to turn into, a Dudeist cult? F**k all that, I say.
Shall we now address you as the "Dudifex Maximas" now, meekon5?
No hierarchies, degrees aren't hierarchies. I was talking about recognition for valuable contributions to Dudeist thought.
And I think that you are trying to introduce just another form of some clergy/laity system, so that you can be a reactionary know-it-all, and feel justified in it. I thought that were all equals here, man. Or are some Dudeists more equal than others (to borrow from Animal Farm)?
Since when is a degree necessarily a "clergy/laity system?" Is everyone with a B.A, M.A, PhD, a clergy in a "clergy/laity system?"
Besides, we all ready have Dudeist clergy... "The Dudely Lama," and "The Arch Dude of York."
Why not degrees?
Check out - https://www.facebook.com/Dudeism/posts/457886154232873?comment_id=5415458&offset=0&total_comments=4 (https://www.facebook.com/Dudeism/posts/457886154232873?comment_id=5415458&offset=0&total_comments=4)
Now I have been waiting to see if this will pan out, but I fear it wont. I will just stay away until this comes to pass if it does.
May you all abidest verily in blessing,
Shagbeard
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:12:52 PM
This brings up an idea from my beer soaked limber mind; Dudeist Degrees. Something such as a "DDP." "Doctor of Dudeist Philosophy" or "DDR" "Doctor of Dudeist Religion" "DTE" "Doctor of Takin' Er Easy" (...this, after 2 beers; who knows what beer 3 or 4 will come up with).
Thoughts, dudes?
I dig this idea. I don't see how having a degree makes your standing any higher or lower it's a recognition of your contribution to the philosophy. As a side could you define " groupthink" to me I'm not sure what you mean there.
Quote from: The_Sleevez on February 02, 2014, 07:46:23 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:12:52 PM
This brings up an idea from my beer soaked limber mind; Dudeist Degrees. Something such as a "DDP." "Doctor of Dudeist Philosophy" or "DDR" "Doctor of Dudeist Religion" "DTE" "Doctor of Takin' Er Easy" (...this, after 2 beers; who knows what beer 3 or 4 will come up with).
Thoughts, dudes?
I dig this idea. I don't see how having a degree makes your standing any higher or lower it's a recognition of your contribution to the philosophy. As a side could you define " groupthink" to me I'm not sure what you mean there.
I call it "the group mind;" that is to say, various thinking on a matter by dudes together coming up with an idea higher or better than a single dude would come up with perhaps. A synergy of minds.
Also where does swami come from is that a dudest thing I missed or your choice?. No disrespect or trying to start something. I have seen it pop up a few times and I'm just wondering if I missed something.
Shagbeard, I joined with the Dudeists in order to be a part of some kind of community of somewhat like-minded individuals and for intellectual stimulation, and not so I could kiss the asses of a bunch of cliqueish, know-it-all British hypocrites who think that they are better than Christians like you and me. No, I am finishing my coffee. It looks like they are trying to turn Dudeism into an actual cult.
More about groupthink here:
http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples/examples-of-groupthink.html (http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples/examples-of-groupthink.html)
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: The_Sleevez on February 02, 2014, 07:46:23 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:12:52 PM
This brings up an idea from my beer soaked limber mind; Dudeist Degrees. Something such as a "DDP." "Doctor of Dudeist Philosophy" or "DDR" "Doctor of Dudeist Religion" "DTE" "Doctor of Takin' Er Easy" (...this, after 2 beers; who knows what beer 3 or 4 will come up with).
Thoughts, dudes?
I dig this idea. I don't see how having a degree makes your standing any higher or lower it's a recognition of your contribution to the philosophy. As a side could you define " groupthink" to me I'm not sure what you mean there.
I call it "the group mind;" that is to say, various thinking on a matter by dudes together coming up with an idea higher or better than a single dude would come up with perhaps. A synergy of minds.
So a bunch of dudes coming up with ideas together is a bad thing?.
Also I am not seeing anybody hating on Christianity here. I Saw one post awhile ago that got dealt with by the moderator. I personally have no problem with any religion as long as they don't throw it in my face.
Quote from: The_Sleevez on February 02, 2014, 07:53:17 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: The_Sleevez on February 02, 2014, 07:46:23 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 02, 2014, 07:12:52 PM
This brings up an idea from my beer soaked limber mind; Dudeist Degrees. Something such as a "DDP." "Doctor of Dudeist Philosophy" or "DDR" "Doctor of Dudeist Religion" "DTE" "Doctor of Takin' Er Easy" (...this, after 2 beers; who knows what beer 3 or 4 will come up with).
Thoughts, dudes?
I dig this idea. I don't see how having a degree makes your standing any higher or lower it's a recognition of your contribution to the philosophy. As a side could you define " groupthink" to me I'm not sure what you mean there.
I call it "the group mind;" that is to say, various thinking on a matter by dudes together coming up with an idea higher or better than a single dude would come up with perhaps. A synergy of minds.
So a bunch of dudes coming up with ideas together is a bad thing?.
It is when an individual's beliefs and means of expressing them become subordinate to the group agenda. Or as that page says, "The group is more concerned with maintaining unity than with objectively evaluating their situation, alternatives and options. The group, as a whole, tends to take irrational actions or overestimate their positions or moral rightness."
See, this is why I debated even posting on this entire forum anymore. I try to contribute in a good way, and I get shit on.
Ok so mob mentality I dig it. How does that connect to degrees for dudeiest philosophical contributions?.
Well anytime you bring up religion there will usually be a debate. That's kind of what the forum is about. To discuss things I think everyone is doing that. You can't get bent out of shape when somone questions you about what your posting.
Quote from: The_Sleevez on February 02, 2014, 07:56:24 PM
Also I am not seeing anybody hating on Christianity here. I Saw one post awhile ago that got dealt with by the moderator. I personally have no problem with any religion as long as they don't throw it in my face.
This is one of those quote places hmmm "like and 8 year old walking into the middle..."
Look, since I been on here I seen posts down right rude. Not going to say who any are, but know that one thread you refer to is not it. Seen some new topic threads made just to bitch about it. Not hard to find them either.
I am leaving it alone and will try to be cool, but know that I have no agenda to preach and sick and tired of hearing about this and seeing the classic dont post if your going to.. It leads right to reactionary shit. Chill out, relax and abide. Oh and one should see the true meaning of abide in the Old Eglish, it was ver enlightening for me. Peace
Quote from: Masked Dude on February 02, 2014, 08:00:40 PM
See, this is why I debated even posting on this entire forum anymore. I try to contribute in a good way, and I get shit on.
Uh i actually liked what you said! I agree with it and been trying to be cool.Just letting you know 8)
Also at the risk of kicking off another rant about hateing on Christianity. You say your against a hierarchy in dudeism but Christianity has a vary well established hierarchy. again not picking on your religion it's totally cool to be Christian just looking to understand what your saying a see your point of view here.
Quote from: The_Sleevez on February 02, 2014, 08:05:08 PM
Well anytime you bring up religion there will usually be a debate. That's kind of what the forum is about. To discuss things I think everyone is doing that. You can't get bent out of shape when somone questions you about what your posting.
Whoa, shit yeah, dude Sleevez I dig your words.Just wish it would not be laced with disdain.
Quote from: The_Sleevez on February 02, 2014, 08:01:02 PM
Ok so mob mentality I dig it. How does that connect to degrees for dudeiest philosophical contributions?.
To me,the idea of earning a "Degree in Dudeism" is an oxymoron.
Next, I'll repeat myself. If you do not like what I have to write, then don't read my writiings.
If you choose to read what I contribute anyway, and do not like what I wrote, then follow this old wisdom: if you do not have anything nice to say, then do not say anything at all (or write it, as the case may be).
And last: not to boast, but I do hold a degree in Social Psychology. What's more, I graduated
summa cum laude. I am not bragging; it's just true. I wrote my undergraduate Capstone Project (kind of like a "thesis lite") on modes of institutional groupthink. So the topic of groupthink is a topic that I reckon that I know a thing or two about.
Please read up on the experiments carried out by Milgram (about obedience to perceived authority), Asch (about conformity to group expectations), and Zimbardo (about the power of situational roles), as well as the studies designed by Tajfel and Turner (on "ingroup favoritism and the illusion of outgroup homogeneity") in order to learn more, and in order to glean more insight into the power of group dynamics.
Quote from: Shagbeard on February 02, 2014, 08:14:11 PM
Quote from: The_Sleevez on February 02, 2014, 08:05:08 PM
Well anytime you bring up religion there will usually be a debate. That's kind of what the forum is about. To discuss things I think everyone is doing that. You can't get bent out of shape when somone questions you about what your posting.
Whoa, shit yeah, dude Sleevez I dig your words.
Just wish it would not be laced with disdain.
Just to be clear i am not talking of you about the disdain part 8)
Quote from: Shagbeard on February 02, 2014, 08:14:11 PM
Quote from: The_Sleevez on February 02, 2014, 08:05:08 PM
Well anytime you bring up religion there will usually be a debate. That's kind of what the forum is about. To discuss things I think everyone is doing that. You can't get bent out of shape when somone questions you about what your posting.
Whoa, shit yeah, dude Sleevez I dig your words.
Just wish it would not be laced with disdain.
No disdain here I am try to discuss this delicately I'm not really understanding this. I get the first half about the scripture thing I missed a response and apologized. Moved onto digitalBuddhas comment and icons reaction to it.
Quote from: The_Sleevez on February 02, 2014, 08:21:58 PM
Quote from: Shagbeard on February 02, 2014, 08:14:11 PM
Quote from: The_Sleevez on February 02, 2014, 08:05:08 PM
Well anytime you bring up religion there will usually be a debate. That's kind of what the forum is about. To discuss things I think everyone is doing that. You can't get bent out of shape when somone questions you about what your posting.
Whoa, shit yeah, dude Sleevez I dig your words.
Just wish it would not be laced with disdain.
No disdain here I am try to discuss this delicately I'm not really understanding this. I get the first half about the scripture thing I missed a response and apologized. Moved onto digitalBuddhas comment and icons reaction to it.
Right, you are just talking... see my last post... I said the disdain part was not about you.
Yeah Rev Icon got some info on that he was sharing on groupthink... I for one do not even like the idea of it, as it sounds like mind control to me.
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 08:16:53 PM
Quote from: The_Sleevez on February 02, 2014, 08:01:02 PM
Ok so mob mentality I dig it. How does that connect to degrees for dudeiest philosophical contributions?.
To me,the idea of earning a "Degree in Dudeism" is an oxymoron.
Next, I'll repeat myself. If you do not like what I have to write, then don't read my writiings.
If you choose to read what I contribute anyway, and do not like what I wrote, then follow this old wisdom: if you do not have anything nice to say, then do not say anything at all (or write it, as the case may be).
And last: not to boast, but I do hold a degree in Social Psychology. What's more, I graduated summa cum laude. I am not bragging; it's just true. I wrote my undergraduate Capstone Project (kind of like a "thesis lite") on modes of institutional groupthink. So the topic of groupthink is a topic that I reckon that I know a thing or two about.
Please read up on the experiments carried out by Milgram (about obedience to perceived authority), Asch (about conformity to group expectations), and Zimbardo (about the power of situational roles), as well as the studies designed by Tajfel and Turner (on "ingroup favoritism and the illusion of outgroup homogeneity") in order to learn more, and in order to glean more insight into the power of group dynamics.
And I am going to repeat myself if you post in a forum be prepared to deal with questions and differing opinions. I am trying to discuss this I am being polite and trying not to be offensive just to understand. Your point because it doesn't make any sense to me. Have I been rude or aggressive in anyway to you? not that I am aware of. I just ask for clarification and your telling me that if I don't agree with you go away that's not how public forums work.
And to add you jumped on digitalbudda hard for his comment which I think was uncalled for. I have never seen anything negative come from him to anyone.
Sleevez, just cary on and ask him and talk about it. Surely Icon is not going to leave you hanging in the dark. Right Icon ???
Quote from: Shagbeard on February 02, 2014, 08:24:47 PM
Quote from: The_Sleevez on February 02, 2014, 08:21:58 PM
Quote from: Shagbeard on February 02, 2014, 08:14:11 PM
Quote from: The_Sleevez on February 02, 2014, 08:05:08 PM
Well anytime you bring up religion there will usually be a debate. That's kind of what the forum is about. To discuss things I think everyone is doing that. You can't get bent out of shape when somone questions you about what your posting.
Whoa, shit yeah, dude Sleevez I dig your words.
Just wish it would not be laced with disdain.
No disdain here I am try to discuss this delicately I'm not really understanding this. I get the first half about the scripture thing I missed a response and apologized. Moved onto digitalBuddhas comment and icons reaction to it.
Right, you are just talking... see my last post... I said the disdain part was not about you.
Yeah Rev Icon got some info on that he was sharing on groupthink... I for one do not even like the idea of it, as it sounds like mind control to me.
I did see that after I posted lol thank you
Rev Icon, make sure you focus, put some dudely zen on and make sure we are not coming off with bad tone and disdain. Wanting healthy discussion, sure but make sure to check self. Peace
Fuck it time for an oat soda moving on mark it zero
In a cult, abusive organization, or dysfunctional relationship, it does not matter if the information presented is true. For if it is negative about the group or any member of the group, then you cannot say it. Usually such negative information will be will be labeled as "flaming" or "slander", and if one persists in speaking it or writing it one can be disciplined severely, ultimately with expulsion from the group, or, if one is an outsider speaking ill about or being at all critical of the group, one can be demonized, poked fun at, humiliated, booted from an online forum, or what have you. This is why I do not want Dudeism to turn into an actual cult. It'd turn into just another "ingroup/outgroup" or "us vs. them" situation. That's all I have to say about that, Sleevez. Goodnight.
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 08:34:56 PM
In a cult, abusive organization, or dysfunctional relationship, it does not matter if the information presented is true. For if it is negative about the group or any member of the group, then you cannot say it. Usually such negative information will be will be labeled as "flaming" or "slander", and if one persists in speaking it or writing it one can be disciplined severely, ultimately with expulsion from the group, or, if one is an outsider speaking ill about or being at all critical of the group, one can be demonized, poked fun at, humiliated, booted from an online forum, or what have you. This is why I do not want Dudeism to turn into an actual cult. It'd turn into just another "ingroup/outgroup" or "us vs. them" situation. That's all I have to say about that, Sleevez. Goodnight.
Yeah? What do you think happens when you get divorced? You turn in your library card? Get a new driver's license? Stop being Jewish?
Cults cults cults....it's all about cults....
Give it a rest man.
Quote from: Caesar dude on February 02, 2014, 09:24:30 PM
Cults cults cults....it's all about cults....
Give it a rest man.
Yeah, better to roll a few and let life go on, man.
Lol I would like to say let's just agree to disagree. But I'm not sure if I agree or disagree because I'm still not sure what your getting at. But this has been beaten to death and is going nowhere so I'll agree to end it lol have a gooder.
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 02, 2014, 06:43:31 PM
Please dig this, if you'd care to. It's an article entitled Dudeism for Christians. Thanks for turning me on to it, Shagbeard.
http://shagbeard.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/208/ (http://shagbeard.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/208/)
And how does this re-enforce your point?
It's an article in which Shagbeard places christianity in a dudeist context, nice article shagbeard, nothing to do with random quotes from religious text that don't make sense.
Hey Dudes,
Here's a song that we seem to be singing a lot these days. Just wanted to put it out there for all to see. Do something different if you want, stick to the same song if you want. Perhaps we could establish a second forum for Dudes who want to sing along in this particular song. Rev I, I'm not meaning to single you out, Dude, it's just that you seem to have many of the solos in this here tune.
Verse one: The "Rev. I" posts something that inflames some members of the beach community
Verse two: Somebody reacts to this, asking what his point is, or perhaps something more direct
Verse three: Some back and forth about whether said post is relevant to Dudeism
Verse four: The Rev. I gets amped up, starts telling people they don't need to read it if they don't like it, that it's all just opinions, man
Verse five: More back and forth, usually involving some kind of deep concern from another member of the forum, possibly expressing ideas of leaving
Verse six: The Rev. I starts warning about cults and cliques, about groupthink and his expertise in such matters (usually there's some insistence at this point that the Rev be referred to as "Swami")
Verse seven: A moderator publicly states that "something is being done," perhaps establishes some boundaries for Rev. I to follow, perhaps invokes Forum Dude to speak up.
Verse eight: Rev. I relents, extends hugs, asks everyone to accept him, perhaps there's some public make-up
Verse nine: A lull of about 1-2 weeks where Rev. I's posts are more palatable to the beach community
Then, back to Verse 1.
It's all part of the durned human comedy, Dudes. Perpetuating itself over the weeks, forum thread to forum thread.
Peace.
Here's an idea: the next time that one of you atheists/anti-theists sees my weekly Sunday-morning posting of "Rev. Iconoclesiastes' verse from a sacred text (other than the Bible) of the week", simply do not read it. All potential conflict can thereby be proactively prevented. And if you choose to read it anyway, and still not not like it, then remember mama's sage advice: if you have nothing nice to say, then do not say anything at all. Why all the drama? Sheeeez.
So you can post and reply, but we should only post and reply at certain times?Um, no. Telling us that is undude.
You always say if we do not like what you say we shouldn't read it. I say if you don't want replies, don't post.
Atheists shouldn't talk. Brits should not talk. Don't form cliques, unless it's yours.
Do you really not see you're doing the same things you insist are wrong?
All I am saying is this: if you dudes have nothing nice to say in response to what I write, then write nothing at all. Baiting, flaming, and name-calling is undude, too. I manned up and offered a personal apology to anybody that I offended, and even made friends with one or two of you in the process. And if you do not want to read a verse from a sacred text (but not the Bible) every week, then do not click on the link. What's the difficulty in that? Seriously.
And what would it hurt to ask our opinions? You keep turning it into an Us vs Them thing. It's not, never has been. I even enjoyed talking to you in PM but to tell anyone they can't in public?
There is no cult behavior. There is no religion hating. Just drop it. Things weren't like this in the past. Dudeism is fine without it. Without you. Without me. I just don't like being told again my words aren't appreciated.
None of us are martyrs. We'd all be fine without the drama. I'm seriously thinking of having my account deleted because of this shit.
You're guilty, too, dude.
I never wrote (or even implied) that I was without guilt here, man. In fact, I manned up and offered a personal apology to anybody that I offended in any way, and even made friends with one or two of you in the process. My offer to apologize to anybody who I have personally offended still stands, too. Take it or leave it.
But do you have to keep bringing up cliques and cults? There are none. Seriously. Relax.
Quote from: Masked Dude on February 03, 2014, 12:45:24 PM
But do you have to keep bringing up cliques and cults? There are none. Seriously. Relax.
I'm calmer than you are, dude. (kidding) 8)
In the movie there are times of elevated talking and yet there is still love gained and none lost. Same thing happens in families. Dudeism, is a family in a strange laid back way... Am I wrong
Quote from: Shagbeard on February 03, 2014, 12:49:53 PM
In the movie there are times of elevated talking and yet there is still love gained and none lost. Same thing happens in families. Dudeism, is a family in a strange laid back way... Am I wrong
You ain't wrong, dude.
No, you probably are calmer than me! My life lately has been Walter beating Walter. I like like you. You're a good guy. (Both of you; didn't see Shagbeard weigh in when I started.) I just don't want this all to be groups with a common goal. I can't make Dudeism into anything. There are parts I don't like or don't apply to me. But I'd love for it to be one group.
We have enough Walters in the world. Let them argue. :)
And that to all, not anyone in particular. :)
Quote from: Masked Dude on February 03, 2014, 01:08:53 PM
And that to all, not anyone in particular. :)
Can I get a hug, please, dude? :)
Of course.
(arms extended, getting ready for a Dudely hug)
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 03, 2014, 01:41:10 PM
(arms extended, getting ready for a Dudely hug)
;D Like this?...
(http://us.123rf.com/450wm/luislouro/luislouro1210/luislouro121000052/15785544-exceeded-fisherman-with-arms-open-wide.jpg)
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 03, 2014, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 03, 2014, 01:41:10 PM
(arms extended, getting ready for a Dudely hug)
;D Like this?...
(http://us.123rf.com/450wm/luislouro/luislouro1210/luislouro121000052/15785544-exceeded-fisherman-with-arms-open-wide.jpg)
Something like that, yessir.
You know, DigitalBuddha, one day I'll be a really learned and squared-away Dudeist,
just like you (playful sarcasm). 8)
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 03, 2014, 08:10:04 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 03, 2014, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 03, 2014, 01:41:10 PM
(arms extended, getting ready for a Dudely hug)
;D Like this?...
(http://us.123rf.com/450wm/luislouro/luislouro1210/luislouro121000052/15785544-exceeded-fisherman-with-arms-open-wide.jpg)
Something like that, yessir.
You know, DigitalBuddha, one day I'll be a really learned and squared-away Dudeist, just like you (playful sarcasm). 8)
Nah, dude; I'm just a janitor around here. I get to collect the beer bottles after the party's over. 8)
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 03, 2014, 08:56:36 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 03, 2014, 08:10:04 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 03, 2014, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 03, 2014, 01:41:10 PM
(arms extended, getting ready for a Dudely hug)
;D Like this?...
(http://us.123rf.com/450wm/luislouro/luislouro1210/luislouro121000052/15785544-exceeded-fisherman-with-arms-open-wide.jpg)
Something like that, yessir.
You know, DigitalBuddha, one day I'll be a really learned and squared-away Dudeist, just like you (playful sarcasm). 8)
Nah, dude; I'm just a janitor around here. I get to collect the beer bottles after the party's over. 8)
Then please, at least let me help you to take out the trash.
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 03, 2014, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 03, 2014, 08:56:36 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 03, 2014, 08:10:04 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 03, 2014, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 03, 2014, 01:41:10 PM
(arms extended, getting ready for a Dudely hug)
;D Like this?...
(http://us.123rf.com/450wm/luislouro/luislouro1210/luislouro121000052/15785544-exceeded-fisherman-with-arms-open-wide.jpg)
Something like that, yessir.
You know, DigitalBuddha, one day I'll be a really learned and squared-away Dudeist, just like you (playful sarcasm). 8)
Nah, dude; I'm just a janitor around here. I get to collect the beer bottles after the party's over. 8)
Then please, at least let me help you to take out the trash.
You wouldn't want to; too many pee stains...oh wait, those are beer stains.
DigitalBuddha: I've gotten my hands dirty with much, much worse. Let me help you.
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on February 03, 2014, 09:06:34 PM
DigitalBuddha: I've gotten my hands dirty with much, much worse. Let me help you.
You can help me by abiding, that will do just fine, mang. 8)