Islamic antics going too far: a look into our reaction to their reaction

[milnie]

In regards to the original topic, there is only one thought that keeps going around in my head...
" Anything that subverts the basic decency of good people and turns them into killers, violators and oppressors is worthy of the utmost condemnation from now until the stars grow cold."

perhaps we should look at how islamic jihad has become so prominent in the world. is it modern technology? is it freedom from oppression by colonial powers? is it because they live in bloody hot contries and that makes anyone mad?!?

[Hominid]

In regards to the original topic, there is only one thought that keeps going around in my head...
" Anything that subverts the basic decency of good people and turns them into killers, violators and oppressors is worthy of the utmost condemnation from now until the stars grow cold."

I dig what you're saying dude. Just a little worried about the "condemnation" vibe. It feels a kinda heavy. Isn't it better to heal through love?
Hey I could be wrong - just an idea.

The dudeism ethos is to take it easy. The world would very obviously be a much better place if everyone took it easy. But when there's a force out there that is downright evil, in my mind, it deserves condemnation. Any religion that tells its adherents to kill the infidels should be outright banned.

[Boston Rockbury]

I don't know man? Isn't fighting for peace like screwing for virginity?

[BikerDude]

On the original topic I'll say one thing..

We're in LA and a guy comes along and spray paints "Crips are a bunch of pussies" on the side of a house.
Later that day the guy who live in the house walks out and a group of Crips shoot him dead.
Are the Crips excuse from blame? Of course not.
Is the idiot who decided it was a good idea to spray paint the message on the side of the house excuse from blame? Of course not.
He's an idiot.
It does accomplishes nothing and to argue that if the Crips weren't killers is irrelevant.
It is an obviously stupid thing to do and accomplishes absolutely nothing except putting innocent people in danger.

[Boston Rockbury]

On the original topic I'll say one thing..

We're in LA and a guy comes along and spray paints "Crips are a bunch of pussies" on the side of a house.
Later that day the guy who live in the house walks out and a group of Crips shoot him dead.
Are the Crips excuse from blame? Of course not.
Is the idiot who decided it was a good idea to spray paint the message on the side of the house excuse from blame? Of course not.
He's an idiot.
It does accomplishes nothing and to argue that if the Crips weren't killers is irrelevant.
It is an obviously stupid thing to do and accomplishes absolutely nothing except putting innocent people in danger.

You seem to be saying that once crips start breeding with muslims we're all fucked - right?

It'd be like that film Underworld where the vampire breeds with the werewolf to make a kinda all-powerful crip-mooslim

[AspiringDude]

"Condemn" does not equal " let's hate them and bomb them into oblivion". But, in my opinion, it is right to openly state that any ideology that turns decent folks into madmen is bad for them and bad for the human race.
We have no problems condemning the ideology behind Nazi Germany. But, and I am getting ever closer to BikerDude's mindset, it seems, when it's about religion turning good folks into a violent mob, we are supposed to just sit back and take it?

I am perfectly willing to argue with a muslim from a perspective informed of compassion and concern for his mental and spiritual well-being. Because I actually am. I am perfectly willing and ready to be non-condescending and friendly. Sadly, some folks out there would still want to kill me if I did that.

[Boston Rockbury]

in my opinion, it is right to openly state that any ideology that turns decent folks into madmen is bad for them and bad for the human race.

But then you would have to ban the Republican Party. I'm not saying that would be a bad thing but some people might object.

[BikerDude]

On the original topic I'll say one thing..

We're in LA and a guy comes along and spray paints "Crips are a bunch of pussies" on the side of a house.
Later that day the guy who live in the house walks out and a group of Crips shoot him dead.
Are the Crips excuse from blame? Of course not.
Is the idiot who decided it was a good idea to spray paint the message on the side of the house excuse from blame? Of course not.
He's an idiot.
It does accomplishes nothing and to argue that if the Crips weren't killers is irrelevant.
It is an obviously stupid thing to do and accomplishes absolutely nothing except putting innocent people in danger.

You seem to be saying that once crips start breeding with muslims we're all fucked - right?

It'd be like that film Underworld where the vampire breeds with the werewolf to make a kinda all-powerful crip-mooslim

Ha?

[BikerDude]

"Condemn" does not equal " let's hate them and bomb them into oblivion". But, in my opinion, it is right to openly state that any ideology that turns decent folks into madmen is bad for them and bad for the human race.
We have no problems condemning the ideology behind Nazi Germany. But, and I am getting ever closer to BikerDude's mindset, it seems, when it's about religion turning good folks into a violent mob, we are supposed to just sit back and take it?

I am perfectly willing to argue with a muslim from a perspective informed of compassion and concern for his mental and spiritual well-being. Because I actually am. I am perfectly willing and ready to be non-condescending and friendly. Sadly, some folks out there would still want to kill me if I did that.

But that's not what the film did.
It just took the image of Mohammed and showed him being a womanizer and being gay (or bi I guess).
Basically it was constructed to intentionally offend.
That is not the same as condemnation or criticism.
It served no purpose and ended up getting people killed.

But on the other hand with Salman Rushtie and then the danish Cartoon and then this latest nonsense I'm semi wondering if it might not be sort of good to take the George Carlin "dirty words" approach. Maybe the world should join in producing an absolute shit storm of movies and cartoons and every other sort of thing making fun of Mohammed.
Maybe an absolute tsunami of this from every corner of the planet would simply render the entire point moot. I mean they would be running around in circles tryna stomp out little fires.
Eventually they'd just have to shut up about it. And what are they gonna do be more pissed?
Is that even possible?
Unilateral Mohammed bashing.
The Alliance of the inane.
What a concept.
The French might even be on board.

[AspiringDude]

I know. I am just arguing the general point about them going all apeshit about this.

[BikerDude]

I know. I am just arguing the general point about them going all apeshit about this.

Ah. Got it.

[Boston Rockbury]

with Salman Rushtie and then the danish Cartoon and then this latest nonsense I'm semi wondering if it might not be sort of good to take the George Carlin "dirty words" approach. Maybe the world should join in producing an absolute shit storm of movies and cartoons and every other sort of thing making fun of Mohammed.
Maybe an absolute tsunami of this from every corner of the planet would simply render the entire point moot. I mean they would be running around in circles tryna stomp out little fires.
Eventually they'd just have to shut up about it. And what are they gonna do be more pissed?
Is that even possible?

We'd just have to decide whether to call it a 'war on Islam' or a 'crusade'. Both sound pretty good - maybe we should get some advice from George Bush.

If we're trying to stamp out ideologies that lead to death and destruction let's not forget what a great job American political ideology did in Iraq.
That was a real fucking winner.

[AspiringDude]

Never said the West is any better...sadly, it isn't
We're all still finding our way into the future. I personally would just like it if we could avoid hurting people anymore doing that.

[Hominid]

Never said the West is any better...sadly, it isn't
We're all still finding our way into the future. I personally would just like it if we could avoid hurting people anymore doing that.

Trying to reason with a madman is a fool's errand. It's nice to say "take it easy" and "do no harm", but we can't all just sit back in blissful peace and ignore the rest of the world. I truly wonder if BD's idea of over-stimulation would render the Islamic insanity infective.  Such a shit storm would have to hit hard, fast, and continuously. Who has the balls?

[Boston Rockbury]

But who are the real 'madmen'? Western consumerist societies are the worst offenders of climate change and that will do infinately more damage to humankind than a few nutters burning down the odd cinema. WE are mad. It's just more comfortable to point the finger somewhere else.