Fascist Scaremongering

[cckeiser]

Mystery's Of The Universe forum

Errrrrm there's a wee bit I don't understand there...ie the web site address....it sorta might be something I'm interested in dude!  A LOT! 

Might not post but I'd like to see what it's about... cheers dude.


Reverend J.

MOTU: http://disc.yourwebapps.com/Indices/159729.html

[Caesar dude]

Cheers CCK Maybe you could post this on the "that's fucking interesting" board...I'll have a look around this evening Thanks again for the link dude.

[cckeiser]

Cheers CCK Maybe you could post this on the "that's fucking interesting" board...I'll have a look around this evening Thanks again for the link dude.

It's not that interesting anymore.  It runs in cycles it used to be, but it's sort of gone down hill right now. It was really something and the best discussion board ever when it was on MSNBC back in the mid to late 90's. After 9/11 MSNBC shut us down, so we (Ken actually) created a discussion board of our own for all the MSNBC refugees. It was going real good for a while after, but most of the old timers have drifted away. There's only a few of us left from the old days.
I'm a moderator there and on The Book Place, but neither need much attending these days.

[meekon5]

...Get a grip! It's one of the best and greatest countries in the world. You are so used to it that you don't even notice it anymore. Believe me, you could do much worse, both with BBC and the UK.

Very possible, very possible indeed, they say familiarity breeds contempt.

Though I do realise we could do worse, again I agree.

I would ask how long you have been in the country.

But just this morning sitting in front of the TV I have:

Saints or Sinners,
Ready steady cook,
This morning,
Relocation, Relocation,
The Vennesa Show,
Maury,
Four Weddings,
Ghost Hunters,
Judge Judy.

All very low budget easy to make rubbish.

I wont go on, but it does appear that the educational quality of many of the BBc's (especially the BBC's) programs has reduced. Now it may actually be that educational standards generally have fallen. Or it's the effect of the widening of the market reducing the potential market and thus reducing potential finance.

In my own experience over xmas I was interested in a little program about the origins of xmas, particularly this episode about the xmas tree. I was appaled that the program held no reference to any of the Pagan origins of the tree tradition. No mention was made of the northern heathen tradition of decorating wild trees at the solstice, and the Pagan tradition of the re-birth of the sun god as a fir tree as re-enacted each year.

Now it may be that I have reached a fairly high level of specialisation in these matters but I refuse to believe that I am of a higher academic level than those who did the research (or were available to the researchers) of the program.

[cakebelly]

"..Get a grip! It's one of the best and greatest countries in the world. You are so used to it that you don't even notice it anymore. Believe me, you could do much worse, both with BBC and the UK."

Well, Dude, I wasn't down on my homeland (although, of course, I am down on the State); just on the quality of TV programming (maybe it's just an age thing). BBC Radio is still pretty good  - well, still the best (no bloody ads). Non-UK residents can catch up on shows via BBC 7 (comedy, factual, drama): http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio7/

[meekon5]

Have to agree with Cake, the radio programs still remain very good, it just seems that the technical research has begun to lack for the science and history programs on TV. It's more about personality rather than quality. Now this may not just be the BBC, it's just they were the first place I would turn to for good info.

[jakubol]

Very possible, very possible indeed, they say familiarity breeds contempt.

Though I do realise we could do worse, again I agree.

I would ask how long you have been in the country.

But just this morning sitting in front of the TV I have:

Saints or Sinners,
Ready steady cook,
This morning,
Relocation, Relocation,
The Vennesa Show,
Maury,
Four Weddings,
Ghost Hunters,
Judge Judy.

Wooooow man! I thought that:

I am sorry but I have become more and more disillusionment with the BBC and their "science" program's.

What used to be a really good source of unbiased information has reduced itself to really low brow over simplification of the subject they are trying to represent.

Of shows you listed I'm sure that Ready steady cook is BBC's, maybe more, but I checked few and they seem not only made by different stations, but even different countries. Am I wrong? Am I wrong? Okay then. Giving examples from American TV to prove how BBC goes down the drain isn't very fair now is it?
Even worse - you specifically complained about BBC's science programs, now you give examples of dumbing reality tv and not even BBC's.

Do you stay by your opinion? Maybe it's me who's wrong, but your arguments don't convince me at all, dude. It looks like I was right and you are one of those Britons who just like to complain, even for no reason. Please, tell me I'm wrong.

[meekon5]

I'm actually watching a Chanel Four program "Birth of Britain" with Tony bloody Robinson.

Now it's an interesting program with shouty Tony running round the country, lots of academics interviewed.

I think what it's highlighted is that none of it is anything I didn't study for my "O" level geography thirty years ago.

In fact it would have been fantastic as a revision aid when I was taking the "O" Levels.

[meekon5]

...Of shows you listed I'm sure that Ready steady cook is BBC's, maybe more, but I checked few and they seem not only made by different stations, but even different countries. Am I wrong? Am I wrong? Okay then. Giving examples from American TV to prove how BBC goes down the drain isn't very fair now is it?
Even worse - you specifically complained about BBC's science programs, now you give examples of dumbing reality tv and not even BBC's.

Do you stay by your opinion? Maybe it's me who's wrong, but your arguments don't convince me at all, dude. It looks like I was right and you are one of those Britons who just like to complain, even for no reason. Please, tell me I'm wrong.

Sorry trying to argue too many points in the one post. I think we may be focusing on the BBC a bit much. The point I was trying to make there was that they were the pinnacle of TV at one point and to me that sharpness has been blunted.

I find the majority of TV has fallen to the sort of cheap "send in your video's for money", to the "we bought all the videos from all the police cars we could" style, to the "let us put a video camera in your house" style.

Now maybe I'm being an intellectual elitist but I would have joined the Church of Bob (and not be here annoying the arse of all the other Dudeists) if I was not looking for stimulating conversation (no insult to the Church of Bob).

Maybe I should just stick to watching TED for my intellectual stimulation instead of trying to get my brain fix from TV.

But I believe someone else mentioned that the History Channel is showing "Ice Road Truckers". No disrespect to the truckers but not on the history channel.

Also "Horizon" was the bleeding edge of the cutting edge, but now appears (IMHO) to be the bludgeoning edge of mediocrity.

[jakubol]

I think we may be focusing on the BBC a bit much. The point I was trying to make there was that they were the pinnacle of TV at one point and to me that sharpness has been blunted.

Well, that was the only reason I opposed you in this thread - you started complaining about BBC and its science programs (even "science" programs as you wrote).
If you're trying to convince me that majority of telly nowadays is crap than you'll fail, sir, as I already know that and need no convincing. I simply ignore all the crap and usually go straight to "Documentaries" in my Sky menu. You can usually find something good there, be it British (BBC!), American or others. At least something about nazis I've seen nothing about nihilists so far, though. And yes, in past I also made fun of the fact that truckers have little to do with history and thus with History Channel
In my uni times I used to live with a bloke who watched tv almost all the fucking time, to the point that when there was nothing on he'd watch worst crap you can imagine. I don't get it, I'd rather read a book or watch the paint dry, but there you go - people will watch anything, so why bother making it good.
Considering that, BBC (still) seems to be high above the rest and that was my point.
I'm drawing the line here! And across this line YOU DO NOT! Also, dude, Tony bloody Robinson is not the preferred nomenclature. Tony "Baldrick" Robinson, please.

[meekon5]

... (even "science" programs as you wrote)...

Over the line mate, don't try to be a smart ass.

Before i address anything else in your post be aware i am dyslexic.

this sort of smart ass comment does not stand.

I was eighteen before I could differentiate between phonetically similar words, even to the level of using to, too, and two, interchangeably.

I was twenty nine before i was even diagnosed with a problem.

I have a degree from Durham university (one of the top uni's in the country).

I work for one of the leading world institutes (the Natural History Museum)

This comment is not clever, and in this country an offence under the disabled discrimination act (and now the Equality Act 2010) when applied to someone like myself who is disabled.

What I do here (especially with the damned spell checker being US not UK) and every day in my job is the equivalent of a double amputee running in an able body persons race.

Being able to consistently get the e and i in the right place does not a genius make you.

I refer you to one of the worlds most famous dyslexics, Albert Einstein.

Look I apologise for this outburst but I am tired of expending so much more energy than most people just to try to appear to be as stupid as the majority of them are.

We have a lot of international Dudes on this site And i don't think trying to "win" points by being head spelling monitor is a particularly Dudely endeavour, this will not make you a young achiever.

[meekon5]

Now in reply to the rest of your post.

Well, that was the only reason I opposed you in this thread - you started complaining about BBC and its science programs (even "science" programs as you wrote).
If you're trying to convince me that majority of telly nowadays is crap than you'll fail, sir, as I already know that and need no convincing.

Funnily enough it's a general discussion I was not trying to convince anyone, and it's not a point scoring event. It's not a competition. it's a few friends meeting to discuss stuff they think is important round a few drinks and a joint.

I simply ignore all the crap and usually go straight to "Documentaries" in my Sky menu. You can usually find something good there, be it British (BBC!), American or others. At least something about nazis

we refer to the history channel at home as the Nazi channel now.

I've seen nothing about nihilists so far, though. And yes, in past I also made fun of the fact that truckers have little to do with history and thus with History Channel

Sorry didn't realise that was actually you just remebered the quote.

In my uni times I used to live with a bloke who watched tv almost all the fucking time, to the point that when there was nothing on he'd watch worst crap you can imagine. I don't get it, I'd rather read a book or watch the paint dry, but there you go - people will watch anything, so why bother making it good.

when I was signed off with depression and on a relatively high dose of seroxat I would watch anything (which worried me after a while).

Considering that, BBC (still) seems to be high above the rest and that was my point.
I'm drawing the line here! And across this line YOU DO NOT! Also, dude, Tony bloody Robinson is not the preferred nomenclature. Tony "Baldrick" Robinson, please.

[jakubol]

Over the line mate, don't try to be a smart ass.

Eeeee...? What the fuck are you talking about?! You wrote:

I am sorry but I have become more and more disillusionment with the BBC and their "science" program's

Quotation marks were in your original post underlining that BBC's programs are pseudoscience, not real science, at least that's how I understand it. In no way am I trying to make fun of you, I don't give a fuck about your dyslexia, nor have I noticed it!
If I offended you in any way know, that it wasn't my intention and surely you misunderstood me. The only reason I wrote anything in this thread was that you complained about quality of BBC's programs and I disagree. Then you started proving me wrong giving examples of American daytime (again, seeing how this has developed I probably misunderstood you) and now you accuse me of being smart ass and fuck know what else.
To avoid offending you more I'll just shut up.
Fuck me, I didn't expect that...

[cckeiser]

Help me out dudes! Which of The Dude De Ching's work best here?
How about #26?

26. Calmer Than You Are
Gravity is not exactly a lightweight,
Balance ? our life is in its hands.
So Walter should not act compulsively or be a reactionary.
Acting compulsively, he waves a gun around,
Acting like a reactionary, he lives in the fucking past.
The Stranger journeys all day without losing the trail;
Surrounded by stupefyin? things, he remains calm and orders a sarsaparilla.
That?s a good one.

Tao Te Ching: 26. Calm
Gravity is the source of Lightness,
Calm, the master of Haste
So the leader of a great enterprise should not act lightly or hastily.
Acting lightly, he loses touch with the World,
Acting hastily, he loses control of the Self.
The sage journeys all day without losing control;
Surrounded by desirable things, he is calm and unattached.

[brother_erwin]

Hi Meekon and jakubol

I, too, didn't get the impression jaku was taking the piss because of any spelling mistake, and anyway, was there one  

What I really don't understand: Where came all the unchecked aggression from?

I mean, basically everybody agrees, don't they?
First off: Most of commercial TV is crap.
Second: Even publicly funded TV-channels tend to lower their standards.
So, what's the rumpus?

You are a bit undude, here, dudes.
Faithfully BE