Dude Economics?

[meekon5]

For your perusal and interest thi is from TED (one of my favourite websites)

A small talk by Tim Jackson about re-balancing society and economics.

Now I believe it is very Dudeist as it calls for a move away from competitive object lust based economics.

Your homework (should you choose to accept it) is to discuss.

Am I right or am I wrong?

[Abideist]

Well,

1. Trees are not going extinct anywhere. Rainforests reproduce quite quickly actually, for every acre chopped down or destroyed by man, another pops up pretty quickly. Global warming has nothing to do with the demise of any eco-system, but actually may help some. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/02/02-3
2. Global warming is actually more of a stage the earth goes into every few hundred years, and has nothing to do with carbon emissions of man. In fact, only 5% of the earths carbon "problem" is man made, 2% of which comes from the carbon living creatures release with our bodies.
3. Every one is looking for a book, including the GREEN movement people. So before you jump on the bandwagon, look where the money is going...The supposed saviors of our planet, are just seeing an opportunity.

Recycling isn't even really necessary, land fills actually help more than the recycling plants do. The whole recyling movement was actually started by a guy looking to filter money for the government. (again i'll go and get links here in a second)

Things like plastic need to be enforced, and regulated better though. If you're at a store if they offer paper, take it. And if you have to use plastic, minimize it. There's actually a part of the pacific ocean that builds up with so much plastic that a small garbage island has formed. i think i read that some staggering number of the fish from the pacific area have ingested plastics. Chemical leakage into water systems is a no no too.

But the deal is, these Economical savior guys are actually PIRATES. They seee an opportunity when technology comes up with names for whats happening to the world around us. Global Warming for instance is the largest scam. Let me explain.

The earth has been around for TRILLIONS of years, and humans have been on it for only 200,000 years. 6500 of which weve been communicating, and only 200 in which we have been industrializing.
Do you really think the past 100 years of minimal carbon emission are really endangering earth?  The sun blasts us with gazillions of megawatts of radiation, and solar anamolies crispify us constantly. It aint us people. Were an organism, and technology is how we evolve and adapt. Thats what humans do. Money is a imaginary substance we use to control, and it controls the weak.

If you want to fix the economy, KILL the economy. Once we start looking at survival and exploration of our species, the whole idea of money becomes a joke. Unforunately, when you don't have power, money is a necessity for survival. It's laughable, considering  50,000 years ago, was take a club and smash in some guys head if he tried to steal my banana tree. 

my opinion is just an opinion, but money will eventually be obsolete. The first step to better trade though and not throwing away cash in bad places.

pyrimid/ponzi schemes
things made and produced outside your community (like walmarts china based products)


well i could go on all day.

[meekon5]

Completely agree Koog-meister, the human race could completely wipe itself out and the world would go on happily with some other species as the dominant one (see the dinosaurs for a good example).

the fight against global warming is actually a fight for that little envelope of temperature and comfort that we as humans can exist in, and we're not that important to the whole process.

I am very anti-capitalist (not communist). there's a lot of shit we're sold just to shore up the system. Mobile phones for instance, I lived without one, and do leave mine at home if I'm going down the pub (much to the shock of people who know me). I only eventually bought one because I was looking for a job and was told by one of the agencies that they "couldn't" deal with me if I didn't have one.

I wasn't interested in his book just the point that whole demand led economic model is faulty, but is the one all the western governments use to make all their policies on.

[cakebelly]

Alternatives: http://www.newearthcyberschool.com/node/25

http://www.ica.coop/al-ica/

http://ceinfo.org/

http://www.allotments-uk.com/

"Think globally, act locally" - alternatives abound = network.

I'll just leave this here (not much of a literal connection):



Some of my bookmars: http://www.dailygrail.com/
http://www.grahamhancock.com/news/index.php
http://www.realitysandwich.com/
got TED bookmarked, too.

[Abideist]

I'll have to look more into it soon. If I had some more resources I might be able to actually get some sense knocked into people. We live in an interesting time. Were still limited, enslaved, and controlled in many aspects, but information is almost free. You can sign on to a library computer and get all sorts of info like this and above from sources that are not regulated, unlike in China where you can't look up much at all.

How long before they shut down the internets freedoms...who knows. Maybe freedom of speech will prevail, but seeing as we lose rights every year, I have no clue.

well, back to the grind stone.

[meekon5]

thank you cakebelly the shirt made me actually laugh out loud in the office. Luckily everyone is out somewhere else so they wont know I've been skiving.

[cakebelly]

 

[BikerDude]

Pulled from the Port Huron Statement....


The economic sphere would have as its basis the principles:

    * that work should involve incentives worthier than money or survival. It should be educative, not stultifying; creative, not mechanical; selfdirect, not manipulated, encouraging independence; a respect for others, a sense of dignity and a willingness to accept social responsibility, since it is this experience that has crucial influence on habits, perceptions and individual ethics;
    * that the economic experience is so personally decisive that the individual must share in its full determination;
    * that the economy itself is of such social importance that its major resources and means of production should be open to democratic participation and subject to democratic social regulation.

[TeRightReverendSwami]

how many bowling shirts does a man need?

[Busmum]

how many bowling shirts does a man need?

how many days of the week are there?

... and don't forget special shirts for formal occasions...