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Yeah, but look at the guy...you going to tell him!?Unibrows dudes...unibrows.
Thanks for those links Ruckus and DB.Fills me with good cheer on a slow day
I would like to point out that participation in violence is very different morally from the initiation there of. You have no choice in being targeted but you have no moral responsibility to become a victim or statistic, or as my Daddy always told me "Son, Never start a fight but always finish one." That is pretty much the Sikh model. Historically speaking they have almost always been on defense, and bringing huge buckets of whoopass to that side of the deal..
Quote from: Whit on December 14, 2011, 04:00:40 AMI would like to point out that participation in violence is very different morally from the initiation there of. You have no choice in being targeted but you have no moral responsibility to become a victim or statistic, or as my Daddy always told me "Son, Never start a fight but always finish one." That is pretty much the Sikh model. Historically speaking they have almost always been on defense, and bringing huge buckets of whoopass to that side of the deal.. I think Mr Gandhi may have some problem with this line of argument.
Quote from: meekon5 on December 14, 2011, 05:47:23 AMI think Mr Gandhi may have some problem with this line of argument. Yeah, but this is India we're talking about. Gandhi was a hindu, not a Sikh, and there's not a lot of inter-religious dialogue in India. Let's not even get into the whole Hindu/Muslim divide I dont agree with the warrior aspect of the historical Sikhs, but then again I don't agree with the warring side of any faith (that includes the Buddhists!). That doesn't mean I don't respect them for the core values (in spite of whatever circumstances drove them to war in times of turbulance).It just so happens that I respect the Sikh faith above most others, mostly for their values of equality and charity, two of my own dearest values, and ones I feel that Dudeism also reflects strongly... and Gandhi as well
I think Mr Gandhi may have some problem with this line of argument.
...You have no choice in being targeted but you have no moral responsibility to become a victim or statistic...
I just meant with the phrase:Quote from: Whit on December 14, 2011, 04:00:40 AM...You have no choice in being targeted but you have no moral responsibility to become a victim or statistic...That Gandhi would have disagreed with.
Your servant use too much salt in your porridge this morning mate?
It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence.~Mohandas GandhiMeaning there is a time and a place, dude. Absolute Pacifism is a Principle and Brother Mo said "A Principle is the expression of perfection, and as imperfect beings like us cannot practice perfection, we devise every moment limits of its compromise in practice."~Mohandas GandhiSo i gotta go with, in practice, "Do everything you can to avoid a fight, but sometimes when you are faced with an unavoidable situation on it is better to take out the aggressors than to let yourself be done in, yes there will be costs involved to even the side of right (i.e. Donny) but you gotta do what you gotta do. It's hard to stand on the moral high ground from six feet under that hill." I also realize that this is the Lebowskiless section of the conversation but I think that the allegory in the film bears me out on this one as well.
Indeed, a classic theory that Christ studdied Buddhism
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