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So I've been pretty amused by all the hubbub about the Russian hacking because I just love to hear party loyalists on either side squeal.
But as things are shaping up I really think we have something to worry about here.
This fellow kind of puts things together. Wraps her all up. Didn't make me laugh to beat the band though.

https://charlierose.com/videos/29583

Same episode different guest

https://charlierose.com/videos/29584

All of this partisan squabbling is exactly what the Russian want us, and expect us to do. There's clearly an agenda that the Russians have, and that is reshaping the geopolitical world to their advantage, and electing Trump was one of their goals.

Quote from: Jianblade on December 14, 2016, 05:45:39 PM
All of this partisan squabbling is exactly what the Russian want us, and expect us to do. There's clearly an agenda that the Russians have, and that is reshaping the geopolitical world to their advantage, and electing Trump was one of their goals.

The concern is that there was a quid pro quo.
That what the Russians expect is that Trump will put US policy up for sale.
And the thing that sets off the alarm bells is his appointment of the head of Exxon Mobil as Secretary of state after he just made a 500 billion dollar deal with Russia and received the "order of friendship"" medal from Putin in appreciation.

At this point Trump has given Goldman Sachs the economy (nothing new there) and expanded that by picking Goldman Sachs president as his economic advisor and of course there is Steve Bannon former Goldman guy. I think I clearly remember Trump criticising both Republicans and Clinton for ties to Goldman?
Well nothing new here. Just all taken to a new low. But then how can this be surprising when you pick a Manhattan billionaire?
But this potential that we are putting American foreign policy up for sale.....
HOLY SHIT!
It's really starting to look that way. It is just Trump being Trump.
His MO has always been "say what you need to say to pull the wool over the eyes of investors (voters) and then fatten up at everybody else's expense"  He's done it over and over and this is just the next chapter. I'm telling you it's the story of the lady and the snake. Don't complain when you get bit. If you know he's a snake.
Trump just doesn't care if Putin kills people who oppose him politically (he does) jails his opponents (he has) or bombs innocent civilians. If there is a giant payoff in looking the other way Trump is on board. Trump being Trump.

Russia is still very much our enemy. Just because we find both sides fighting ISIS doesn't mean that has changed. They are fighting ISIS because they back Assad.
And Iran. Trump's lack of criticism of Putin bordering on praise is fucking nuts.
How is that OK? I mean in light of all this new shit that has come to light?
He kidnapped himself. Hadn't that ever occurred to you? Sir?

That had not occurred to us dude. The meeting with kanyevil, is another joke to gain "cred" and appear in touch with popular types, despite what he really thinks of trump. Laughable, mang!

The Soviet Union no longer exists, and the Cold War was a long time ago. Russia and the United States must never go to war because both sides have many nuclear weapons. Even a "limited" nuclear war would cause nuclear winter and other massive devastation to the global climate. It is important that our two countries cooperate, for the survival of humanity.

The "Russian hacks" refer to emails that disgruntled DNC staffers such as Seth Rich leaked to Wikileaks to expose corruption. If Russian agents actually hacked and leaked the DNC's and Podesta's emails, they deserve our thanks. They are legitimate emails that reveal astounding corruption in the DNC. The Democrat Party leaders have hijacked and betrayed the progressive movement for selfish ends, and must be replaced. The Russian Hacking story is a complete fabrication according to the directors of National Intelligence and the FBI, an apparent distraction from many embarrassing revelations.

Clinton received tens of millions of dollars of donations from Saudi Arabia to her bribe-laundering "charity," the Clinton Foundation. Even if Trump is bought and paid for by Russia and Goldman Sachs, that is preferable to a president who is bought and paid for by the bloodthirsty and totalitarian House of Saud. Surely, we can all agree that Russia is a less violent and more democratic regime than Saudi Arabia. I prefer the Russian candidate to the Saudi candidate.

Here's the key consideration for me. Even based on what the US government is telling us, the Russians are only guilty of disseminating emails and information created by Hillary's campaign and/or the DNC (to the extent you wish to consider them separate entities). The Russians didn't "hack" the election in the sense of altering cast votes. The Russians didn't make-up any emails or information. They made public the private thoughts of public officials or those campaigning for public office.

I'm not defending it. I'm not saying it was for the better. And I didn't vote for the guy who won. It's just incredibly saddening to see/hear those on both sides (that is, all those pederasts with a (R) or (D) after their names) misrepresent the currently known facts so they can hyperbolize or minimize the matter.

More accurately, our national leaders should be called _pedophiles_ with a (R) or (D) after their names. Pederasts sleep with little boys, specifically. My understanding was that the elites' underage sexual deviancy was more equal-opportunity with regards to gender.

Personally I couldn't care less about whether or not there was any effect on the election. And I think the chance of nuclear war between Russia and the US is zero. There simply is no more ideological "winner take all" paranoia that fueled the cold war. Communism did not win the ideological war. That was the paranoia.
The military will always paint a doomsday scenario. The nuclear nightmare now is ISIS with a nuclear weapon. Neither the US or Russia would have any possible upside in attacking each other. Ever.


My real concern is that this administration will be owned and operated by corporate interests to a level never before seen and that even the most basic concerns for human Rights and the well being of our allies will take a back seat to business oportunities. The currency that Russian graft would take would be oil. There are huge business opportunities to be had if we simply abandon any concern for how Putin conducts himself. But we should be concerned about that. Not so much for our own safety but as a commitment to freedom and democracy, decency all that stuff.
Of course we've seen how far that goes once foreign policy becomes unduly influenced by powerful corporations. The filthiest crap that we've engaged in over the last century have always been like that. And we have chosen a leader who is remarkably unconcerned for anyone elses fortune beyond his own. Trump the sociopath. I think that doing the right thing now officially takes a back seat to profit. He is absolutely incapable of acting differently.

I prefer the sociopath who hasn't ordered multiple assassinations of politically-inconvenient opponents (Trump) to the sociopath who has ordered multiple assassinations of politically-inconvenient opponents (Clinton). Sociopathy is reasonably common among business moguls. Trump has probably committed fraud and other shady business practices, but con artists do not usually stoop to outright murder like Clinton does routinely. If the Democrat Party wants to win elections, they should give us better candidates than serial killers who are more prolific than Ted Bundy, such as Clinton.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/clinton-death-list-33-most-intriguing-cases/

Quote from: BikerDude on December 18, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
Neither the US or Russia would have any possible upside in attacking each other. Ever.

My real concern is that this administration will be owned and operated by corporate interests to a level never before seen and that even the most basic concerns for human Rights and the well being of our allies will take a back seat to business oportunities.

I may be way off base here but what has worried me for quite a while is that the planet is, and has been, controlled by the moneyed interests. I doubt that comes as any surprise to anyone. Money talks and bullshit walks. My concern has been that these hacks use the globe as a chess board for their perverse games. So although, in reality, neither Russia nor the US would gain a thing in the event of a nuclear war what if that was just part of the rich folks (I almost referred to them as dudes but I caught myself) game. Like one day they woke up and decided that they would like to see today what it would look like if the US and Russia went balls to the wall.
Like I say, I'm probably way off base. But just because there are conspiracy theorists doesn't mean that there's no conspiracy.

Quote from: SagebrushSage on December 18, 2016, 08:16:10 PM
I prefer the sociopath who hasn't ordered multiple assassinations of politically-inconvenient opponents (Trump) to the sociopath who has ordered multiple assassinations of politically-inconvenient opponents (Clinton). Sociopathy is reasonably common among business moguls. Trump has probably committed fraud and other shady business practices, but con artists do not usually stoop to outright murder like Clinton does routinely. If the Democrat Party wants to win elections, they should give us better candidates than serial killers who are more prolific than Ted Bundy, such as Clinton.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/clinton-death-list-33-most-intriguing-cases/

Why do we need to engage with this ridiculous sort of nonsense.
The Clintons are serial killers?
Do you believe they were running a child sex ring also.
I encounter this sort lunacy and it's just depressing.
You are either delusional or don't care about truth.

Quote from: LotsaBadKarma on December 19, 2016, 06:11:13 AM

Quote from: BikerDude on December 18, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
Neither the US or Russia would have any possible upside in attacking each other. Ever.

My real concern is that this administration will be owned and operated by corporate interests to a level never before seen and that even the most basic concerns for human Rights and the well being of our allies will take a back seat to business oportunities.

I may be way off base here but what has worried me for quite a while is that the planet is, and has been, controlled by the moneyed interests. I doubt that comes as any surprise to anyone. Money talks and bullshit walks. My concern has been that these hacks use the globe as a chess board for their perverse games. So although, in reality, neither Russia nor the US would gain a thing in the event of a nuclear war what if that was just part of the rich folks (I almost referred to them as dudes but I caught myself) game. Like one day they woke up and decided that they would like to see today what it would look like if the US and Russia went balls to the wall.
Like I say, I'm probably way off base. But just because there are conspiracy theorists doesn't mean that there's no conspiracy.

The irony is that people who bitch most about wallstreet and corporate lobbiests running Washington seem to have chosen to go one further by just putting them directly in charge. I mean do we really just not care about conflicts of interest any more? Isn't this the opposite of what Trump was selling?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8059MBAusk

So you are suggesting that people who are making billions of dollars a year would voluntarily chose to blow everything up? Call it a hunch but I think that is pretty unlikely. That wouldn't actually happen till somebody is backed into a corner. That was the climate that fueled the cold war. Two incompatible ideologies determined to win it all. A total divide. An iron curtain. That's gone.
Putin is the ultimate corrupt plutocrat. Which of course explains Trump's apparent admiration. Birds of a feather.

Nuclear war would be bad for business. That's why someone like Putin swimming in filthy lucre would avoid it at all cost. He'd rather just grow wealthy leveraging his power while the citizenry struggles.

Quote from: BikerDude on December 20, 2016, 09:07:27 AM

Quote from: SagebrushSage on December 18, 2016, 08:16:10 PM
I prefer the sociopath who hasn't ordered multiple assassinations of politically-inconvenient opponents (Trump) to the sociopath who has ordered multiple assassinations of politically-inconvenient opponents (Clinton). Sociopathy is reasonably common among business moguls. Trump has probably committed fraud and other shady business practices, but con artists do not usually stoop to outright murder like Clinton does routinely. If the Democrat Party wants to win elections, they should give us better candidates than serial killers who are more prolific than Ted Bundy, such as Clinton.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/clinton-death-list-33-most-intriguing-cases/

Why do we need to engage with this ridiculous sort of nonsense.
The Clintons are serial killers?
Do you believe they were running a child sex ring also.
I encounter this sort lunacy and it's just depressing.
You are either delusional or don't care about truth.

Well... there is this...

Quote"Can't we just drone this guy?" Clinton openly inquired, offering a simple remedy to silence Assange and smother Wikileaks via a planned military drone strike, according to State Department sources. The statement drew laughter from the room which quickly died off when the Secretary kept talking in a terse manner, sources said. Clinton said Assange, after all, was a relatively soft target, "walking around" freely and thumbing his nose without any fear of reprisals from the United States

Not only did she try to murder Julian Assange, but after everyone laughed at her, she kept going like it wasn't a joke (because it wasn't)

Given that she so openly and callously tried to murder Julian Assange... It very much sounds like it was not her first time ordering such a strike on a political opponent...

Yeah there it is.
Noticing that anything resembling a discussion has to deal with you dragging some sludge from the lunacphere or infowars or whatever bottom feeding pit you get your crap from.

I don't like Hillary Clinton but it's not because I'm listening to the garbage like this.

And why the fuck are we devolving into a Trump or Hillary discussion anyway?
Argueing with you is like hearing a five year old say "but she started it"

I have not yet discussed the Clinton Mafia's most serious crimes on this a-hare forum. Serial killings and illegal wars and regime changes resulting in the deaths of millions are the least of her crimes against humanity. Those are merely means to an end.

The actual problem is that the Clinton-Bush mafia have colluded with their counterparts such as the British royal family in most of the countries of western civilization to promote corruptible individuals to power in government, media, and business, to make them part of a vast mutual blackmail network via child sex trafficking, to maintain an artificially unstable and violent state of affairs in the third world to produce orphans for abducting and selling on the black market, and to weaken law enforcement and national borders in the West to ease the flow of drugs, adult slaves ("illegal immigrants"), child slaves, weapons, and other contraband. The participants extract a cut from the black market side of this activity by receiving bribes and other 'favors" through a complex network of front businesses and "charitable' organizations. I have only scratched the surface of their evil here.

Trump hinted that he is aware of the full extent of this matter and intends to burn the whole scheme to the ground in his roast of Clinton at the Catholic Al Smith Charity Dinner the day after the third debate. 'You said that it takes a village. In Haiti, you took several of them," or something like that.

Here is a link to the forum of the citizen investigation into this matter, which is called "pizzagate," specifically to a thread summarizing and sourcing their findings.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1467064