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Making A Murderer
On Netflix. The first couple episodes are amazing and then it goes off the charts with how corrupt law enforcement is.
The lengths that they go to to get this guy after he is freed after being framed and serving 18 years in prison.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxgbdYaR_KQ

Gonna check this out.

ill give it a look man.

Everyone keeps going on about it.  I watched 20 minutes and was bored.  What's so good about it?  (K, ya - I'm kinda ADD)

Quote from: Hominid on January 03, 2016, 10:58:31 PM
Everyone keeps going on about it.  I watched 20 minutes and was bored.  What's so good about it?  (K, ya - I'm kinda ADD)

It's a documentary. You gotta push on through.
It's informative because you see how these paraquat operate.
The cops. The prosecutor.
I think it's important because people generally are willing to just blindly trust authority.
Coincidentally I listened to a story on the radio this morning about this sort of thinking that goes a long way toward explaining people's sheep like tenancies.
Basically our brains develop at a time when we perceive our place as subservient to our parents and then to teachers, cops etc and it has a real physical effect on our faculties.Mix in a strong evangelical upbringing and you have a army of fucking robots. In a nutshell some people simply can't perceive the world in anything but hierarchical and they truly need to be led in order for the world to make sense to them. The more hierarichal their childhood perceptions are the more they need it.So you get blind trust in Government, King, Cop, God, whatever. And best of all the study was done in bars. On drunk people.
http://www.npr.org/2016/01/05/461997711/hidden-factors-in-your-brain-help-to-shape-beliefs-on-income-inequality

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An experiment, conducted at bars in Kansas, suggests that hierarchical thinking comes more easily to people than egalitarian thinking. This may have implications for the topic of income inequality.

Interesting that they find that alcohol makes people support hierarchy.
Any mystery why weed is illegal and alcohol is legal?
To quote...

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I'm gonna sit right here and watch the sunset disappear.
And drink a beer.

Yippee! A Message for the downtrodden working class.
God is Great. Beer is good. And people are crazy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKpQRjj_WbU

Wow! Who knew? It's actually a good thing to be an idiot.
So don't worry about it. Just drink beer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtMy5IBmX7E

And you gotta fucking love the Dudeists!
Jim James singer for My Morning Jacket. The band that played the very first Lebowski fest on the state Country music.
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/6545799/my-morning-jacket-jim-james-modern-country-dumb

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I feel like modern country is deliberately dumbing down the human race. They?re deliberately making people take glory in being uneducated and racist, and it?s just sad. I think it?s absolute mind control.

Rock and Roll = Rebellion = Dead
Country = Faith Beer and Glorifying Being Dumb = Thriving
Go figure.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92H7eqLjWo8

Definitely eye-opening as to how messed up the judicial system can be.  Pair that to the Vice "Fixing the System" episode on the American Judicial system inequality for the poor and it's really a sad state of affairs in this "Divine Comedy" of ours.

BTW, if you liked the Netflix series, you should check out the "Serial" podcast that NPR put out.  Similar type of stories, albeit without a visual... but still a powerful series.   They are going through Bowe Bergdahl story now and it seems there was a lot that the public hasn't been told on his story as well.

StAugustineDude

Watch it through the third episode. If you haven't cursed at your TV and at least threatened to throw your remote, you weren't paying attention.

Yes, it's only one select of a story selectively presented. But it shows how vulnerable the average citizen is to a system bent on his destruction.

Just looking at how they manipulated the kid who lived next door to him to coerce a confession is enough.
The kid is borderline retarded and now he's serving life in prison.
As a means to an end in getting the guy.
And first they went after his sister. She recanted her confession on the stand.
And listening to the prosecutor's claims that the documentary presents a one side of the story is unconvincing. The evidence that he said was omitted is very unimpressive.

The whole thing is very similar to the "West Memphis 3" case.
In both cases the prosecutors set their sites on someone they decided to railroad with zero evidence and in both cases they coached a mentally retarded person to give a confession.

The West Memphis 3 was ridiculous.  I actually knew the guy whose testimony got them put away (Real reactionary with a mail order degree).  The guy was a blow-hard tool and everyone in the town I grew up in knew it.  He got himself on Geraldo and somehow got labeled an "Expert" on the occult when the reality was, his so called "PHD" was from some unknown correspondence college no one ever heard of.


StAugustineDude

Here's a little bit different point of view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26vaiAF--s0

Apparently Nancy Grace is harping on about it being all wrong. Figures, she isn't exactly a very honest person either.

Quote from: LotsaBadKarma on January 20, 2016, 11:56:15 AM
Here's a little bit different point of view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26vaiAF--s0

Yeah you see I have a really big problem with the "the whole family bla bla" thing.
To me that only bolsters the idea that the cops set him up.
They went about trying to convict him because he was a dirtbag.
But we don't put people in prison for life because they are dirtbags.
And to make this leap that somehow this is about the black lives matter is just a wild leap.
If you decide that this has anything to do with "identity politics" is likewise a leap.
This guy has just gone off on this rant about this all being some type of agenda.
And my jaw drops when he says that its like the film makers are saying "he is most likely a Murderer who should go free because of tampering with evidence."
If the evidence is tampered with or cooked up then how can you say he's most likely guilty?
It goes back to the "he's a scumbag" thing.
He is doing exactly the same thing as the prosecutors were doing.
I really think that once the possibility of tampering is established then the whole thing goes into doubt.
Because there is no way of knowing what is legitimate evidence and what is not.
And the elephant in the room is why did the cops need to cook up evidence.
He just keeps going back to the "he was guilty so that's why the cops cooked up evidence".
Jesus Christ how is he guilty without evidence? Because him and his family are low lifes?
That's what we put people in prison for now?
He says that the testimony of the kid led to evidence.
But you can watch them coach the confession from the kid on camera.
That also just bolsters the idea that the evidence he led them to was planted.

Interview with the makers of the Doc.
http://www.wnyc.org/story/htt-making-murderer/

Direct url
https://www.wnyc.org/widgets/ondemand_player/heresthething/#file=/audio/json/566233/&share=1

And a juror has come forward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Zesmp6eOE

Questions answered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9h5C901lGE

The scene where the sheriff, himself, goes on TV and tries to argue the cops didn't set him up because, well, if they wanted him gone, there were easier ways to get rid of him.

That's about all I needed to hear. Your county's figurehead takes to the media to defend his department and his best argument they did not frame the guy is that it would be easy to kill him. Jebus. Really?

I grew up in a small town, this kind of family targeting happens much more than is talked about. I can remember my grandpa telling me a story about this "troublemaker" they had in town that people would complain about, the cops would harass, and then one day they were just "gone".  You get a lot of reactionaries in those small towns.  Couple that with some power and it's never a good situation.