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So it seems Pope Francis has officially agreed with evolution and the Big Bang Theory


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html

So this opens a whole can of shit don't it?
Where does this leave us on the Divinity of Christ for instance?
"God is not a magician" according to the Pope.
OK what about Jesus? The virgin birth?
The Resurrection? All the miracles?
Is that all bullshit also?
I really hope he is forced to parse all that sort of thing.
It gets very difficult for that bucket to hold any water at all once you start punching holes.


Aren't these sort of kudo's usually reserved for special ed?
When a "flat earther" learns how ridiculous his position was the he doesn't just change what a "flat earther" believes. He admits that the whole flat earth thing was pretty dumb.

Quote from: BikerDude on October 29, 2014, 03:56:38 PM
So this opens a whole can of shit don't it?
Where does this leave us on the Divinity of Christ for instance?
"God is not a magician" according to the Pope.
OK what about Jesus? The virgin birth?
The Resurrection? All the miracles?
Is that all bullshit also?
I really hope he is forced to parse all that sort of thing.
It gets very difficult for that bucket to hold any water at all once you start punching holes.


Aren't these sort of kudo's usually reserved for special ed?
When a "flat earther" learns how ridiculous his position was the he doesn't just change what a "flat earther" believes. He admits that the whole flat earth thing was pretty dumb.

Yeah, It's kinda hard to believe that he interprets the bible literally like so many others. It seems more like he's trying to change catholics as opposed to trying to change Catholicism. But I suppose it's the same effect.

Not sure I fully understand you in that second part though

So, essentially he's saying the Big Bang created the universe and that he believes in evolution, but he's also saying God caused the Big Bang and created the organisms that evolved into the various life forms that currently inhabit Earth.  Nice dodge there, old man; that's the way to straddle the ol' fence without firmly planting your feet on either side.

Quote from: Reverend Al on October 30, 2014, 12:38:59 AM
So, essentially he's saying the Big Bang created the universe and that he believes in evolution, but he's also saying God caused the Big Bang and created the organisms that evolved into the various life forms that currently inhabit Earth.  Nice dodge there, old man; that's the way to straddle the ol' fence without firmly planting your feet on either side.

  The Pope said that? LOL, so we can conclude that the Pope is descended from a monkey? I KNEW IT!! I JUST KNEW IT!!!

Quote from: Reverend Al on October 30, 2014, 12:38:59 AM
So, essentially he's saying the Big Bang created the universe and that he believes in evolution, but he's also saying God caused the Big Bang and created the organisms that evolved into the various life forms that currently inhabit Earth.  Nice dodge there, old man; that's the way to straddle the ol' fence without firmly planting your feet on either side.

This isn't really new. Pope JP-II (not to be confused with Redskin's QB RG-III) told Steven Hawking he approved of the latter's theoretical exploration of the big bang theory. However, he cautioned Little Stevie H. against looking further behind that curtain (i.e., into what, if anything, preceded the big bang). Who the fuck is this Pollack wearing a funny hat to tell the dude sitting in Isaac Newton and Paul Dirac's chair as the Lucasian professor of mathematics at Cambridge what he can and cannot think about. Jesus, it's just so fucking presumptuous and surreal.

That pope, this pope, any pope. They are no better than the old woman who told Bertrand Russell the Earth was balanced on the back of a giant tortoise. Russell thought he had her by asking, "What, then, is the tortoise standing on?" But the woman - she could have been a pope in a different universe - responded by saying "You're very clever, young man, but it's turtles all the way down." Thus, infinite regression supersedes explanation....fucking sigh.

Actually, Francis isn't the first Pope to say this. Pius XII did in 1950 in Humanis Generis. The problem is that the average Catholic (I used to be one) doesn't know this. But yeah, they still dodge a lot of the issues. Since Francis is a Jesuit, he's bound to say controversial things anyway.

So basically at this point it's like Nam.
There are no rules.
Theologically speaking that is.
Just make it up as you go along.

These are tough times for the old Catholic church.
This morning the news announced that the Archdiocese of NY is closing a record number of churches.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/03/nyregion/new-york-catholics-are-set-to-learn-fate-of-their-parishes.html?_r=0

I had been very skeptical of Christopher Hitchens when he was saying that faith is in it's death throes. But now it seems like at the very least old style religion just has a dim future. Now it seems even the religious are admitting it.
Even the American Spectator. A bastion of old waspishness.
http://spectator.org/articles/37497/decline-faith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IBzhVSrsPk

Quote from: DigitalBuddha on October 31, 2014, 09:15:59 PM
The Pope said that? LOL, so we can conclude that the Pope is descended from a monkey? I KNEW IT!! I JUST KNEW IT!!!

I think he just evolved several million generations by just deciding to live in the real world rather than the one populated by angels and fairies and leprechauns and unicorns.

Quote from: BikerDude on November 03, 2014, 12:18:13 PM...I think he just evolved several million generations by just deciding to live in the real world rather than the one populated by angels and fairies and leprechauns and unicorns.

He clearly believes in The Big Bang Theory and evolution, so I'm sure he just found a way to tie God into the equations in order to appease those Catholics who believe the Bible is 100% true regardless of whether any so-called information it contains contradicts known fact, reason, and/or common sense.

Quote from: Reverend Al on November 03, 2014, 06:11:35 PM

Quote from: BikerDude on November 03, 2014, 12:18:13 PM...I think he just evolved several million generations by just deciding to live in the real world rather than the one populated by angels and fairies and leprechauns and unicorns.

He clearly believes in The Big Bang Theory and evolution, so I'm sure he just found a way to tie God into the equations in order to appease those Catholics who believe the Bible is 100% true regardless of whether any so-called information it contains contradicts known fact, reason, and/or common sense.

Yeah a lot of Catholics have believed in Evolution and god most or all of their lives.
But I do hope that he has to explain further. It is a shame that the church has insisted on "holding back the tide" for so long. Any such admission risks "pulling the rug out" from under sad individuals that have spent a life investing their hopes and beliefs in the ridiculous.
This should make anybody furious.

The reality is that there are a lot of suburban affluent Catholics (at least around here) who just avoid all the stuff that about the resurrection and virgin birth and miracles and all that.
In reality almost all of them are in fact atheists. When pressed they will just say that they like the message of Christ and "don't know about all the magic stuff".
Fact is that EVERYBODY likes the sermon on the mount but that just doesn't cut it.
(The part about the cheesemakers being a personal favorite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slbMe-aTY1A)


A catholic believes the basics at least. The apostles creed for instance.

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I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary; suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

Plain and simple. No tickey, no laundry.
I just don't believe that it serves any purpose for people sensible enough to know better to bolster nonsense by avoiding the issues.
The pews are in fact full of atheists. I just wish that eventually they'd grow up and admit it.
Then religion might be able to become something really decent in this day and age rather than pedaling snake oil that even the guys behind the pulpits don't believe. And the fact that there are people that buy it and invest their hearts and souls in it and then BAM it's poo. It's a  shame upon the church.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE29MkYxtvs