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Executive Order to confiscate your right to "keep and bare arms?"

Is that what it is coming to? (i.e., Nazi Germany, the 1930's)...

"US Vice-President Joe Biden says executive action may be taken on the issue of gun control"

Obama 'determined' for action on gun crime, Biden says...

MARK IT ZERO! - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20965618

http://youtu.be/0j9oSEsGhjU
My reply to "Some weapons are so dangerous and some ammunition devices so lethal that we simply cannot afford to continue selling them in our state,"

Quote from: Stever on January 10, 2013, 12:12:51 AM
http://youtu.be/0j9oSEsGhjU
My reply to "Some weapons are so dangerous and some ammunition devices so lethal that we simply cannot afford to continue selling them in our state,"

Good find!

Dude,I got a ton more! LOL

I'm telling you the gun lobby better start negotiating for a compromise or we are going to get gun control that represents one side of the argument only. The worm has turned and there is enough public support now to make gun control a political imperative.
If gun owners simply refuse to engage it's going to be a worse outcome for gun owners.
Don't shoot the messenger.
I'm a gun owner myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5tNCFQhQco

Quote from: BikerDude on January 10, 2013, 03:39:52 PM
I'm telling you the gun lobby better start negotiating for a compromise or we are going to get gun control that represents one side of the argument only. The worm has turned and there is enough public support now to make gun control a political imperative.
If gun owners simply refuse to engage it's going to be a worse outcome for gun owners.
Don't shoot the messenger.
I'm a gun owner myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5tNCFQhQco

Yes, but  that is what the gun grabbers are doing; that is their strategy... demand 5, get 3; won 3...come back, demand 5, get 3, won 3, come back, demand 5, get 3, won 3...etc., before you know it, they have won 9...as they wanted all along.

No compromise, no negotiations, no 3's; total defeat of gun confiscation bills introduced by ass hats like Feinstein.

As I say too,it is a slippery slope-they win one easy victory,say like they did in my state,imposing an extra 25 dollar "violence tax" on every gun sale,this emboldens them to go for a bit more.
They DID want to tax every bullet sold in my state,UNTIL the law makers were informed that you needed a FOID card to buy ammo...THEY DID NOT KNOW THIS!!

I am happy to engage,and educate,and work toward a real solution, but this sort of utter ignorance,fear,and unwillingness to even listen is what gun grabbers are pushing me to say no compromise can be reached with utter fools.

Quote from: DigitalBuddha on January 10, 2013, 07:54:59 PM

Quote from: BikerDude on January 10, 2013, 03:39:52 PM
I'm telling you the gun lobby better start negotiating for a compromise or we are going to get gun control that represents one side of the argument only. The worm has turned and there is enough public support now to make gun control a political imperative.
If gun owners simply refuse to engage it's going to be a worse outcome for gun owners.
Don't shoot the messenger.
I'm a gun owner myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5tNCFQhQco

Yes, but  that is what the gun grabbers are doing; that is their strategy... demand 5, get 3; won 3...come back, demand 5, get 3, won 3, come back, demand 5, get 3, won 3...etc., before you know it, they have won 9...as they wanted all along.

No compromise, no negotiations, no 3's; total defeat of gun confiscation bills introduced by ass hats like Feinstein.

3 is better than 5.
The public is calling for gun control so proponents will demand 5 and although those who oppose it will fight to keep it from coming to a vote, eventually it will and it will be political suicide to go on record against some type of gun control measure.
That's why it's best to engage now.
The line in the sand is not going to work anymore. Watch politicians run for cover.
Sure there will be some districts that will be strong but a LOT will erode when push comes to shove.
For most people whether a politician supported or opposed gun control was not a big issue over the years.
Now it is. People who did not come down strong on one side or the other (non gun owners) are moving disproportionately toward support.
Support for gun control has gone through the roof no matter what the NRA says.
And yet another school shooting is just going to make it worse. Getting into statistics and discussion is going to be irrelevant. For people who don't own guns there is no down side to gun control and the world we live in now IS THE RESULT of listening to the NRA and gun advocates (not true of course). Arguing statistics eventually becomes irrelevant. People think that the situation that we have now is that A. we have too many guns with more and more being sold each year at record numbers, and B. it's resulting in these high profile things like Sandy Hook, Aurora, Virginia State. Whether this is true or not is irrelevant to non gun owner who perceive that they lose nothing with a gun ban.
To these people they have heard the NRA's line for years  and it is exactly those policies that are not working and they are done listening.

A more measured response it preferable IMHO.

http://www.bakersfieldcalifornian.com/opinion/our-view/x1055276283/Taft-shooting-couldve-been-so-much-worse

Quote from: Stever on January 10, 2013, 10:26:08 PM
As I say too,it is a slippery slope-they win one easy victory,say like they did in my state,imposing an extra 25 dollar "violence tax" on every gun sale,this emboldens them to go for a bit more.
They DID want to tax every bullet sold in my state,UNTIL the law makers were informed that you needed a FOID card to buy ammo...THEY DID NOT KNOW THIS!!

I am happy to engage,and educate,and work toward a real solution, but this sort of utter ignorance,fear,and unwillingness to even listen is what gun grabbers are pushing me to say no compromise can be reached with utter fools.

Yeah I think this is a very very bad strategy.
I work in IT but mostly I've been working in Law Enforcement agencies.
The cops that I talk to are BIG TIME proponents of second amendment rights as one would expect.
But they also insist that there is an explosion of guns on the street and that we NEED to make changes to address that.
These are the guys who are walking through that door at 2AM not knowing what is on the other side.
To cut them out of the discussion IMHO is just ludicrous because A. they have direct first hand knowledge of the current situation with guns on city streets and B. they have the most to gain or lose.
When I hear them calling for changes, and I KNOW that they are super strong supporters of gun rights I'm prepared to listen. These are the people who are saying that we need the "3" solution. Not some soccer mom.
Soccer mom's want the "5".

For instance...

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City investigators posing as illegal purchasers asked five sellers to meet in person to exchange cash for guns. All five agreed, selling investigators four handguns and a semi-automatic assault rifle while being recorded with hidden cameras.

Among the findings:

    62 percent of private gun sellers -- 77 of 125 online sellers contacted -- agreed to sell a firearm to a buyer who said he probably couldn't pass a background check.

    Besides Craigslist, unlicensed sellers also offered arms at alarmingly high rates with no questions asked at Armslist, Gunlistings, Glocktalk and the classified section of Utah news website KSL.com.

    Sellers in five Southern states -- Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisiana, South Carolina and Virginia -- were the worst offenders, followed closely by dealers in Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Texas.

    Midwest sellers have the best record, with 48 private sellers refusing to make illegal sales.

The report recommended Congress pass a long-stalled bill that would close the online and gun show loophole to allow background checks for all gun sales, a measure the National Rifle Association has fought for years.

It also said the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives should conduct sting operations against online websites that do not require buyers or sellers to identify themselves, and urged the Bureau to better track guns bought online that are later used to commit crimes. Websites such as Craigslist, it said, should tighten self-policing policies.