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Quote from: DigitalBuddha on September 24, 2012, 06:35:02 AM

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on September 24, 2012, 06:29:17 AM
Unfortunately sexual slavery is rampant and exists in America.

Sources of your information on that?

Come on dude - just google 'sexual slavery today' or what have you. It's not exactly a well kept secret.

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on September 24, 2012, 01:21:32 AM
I guess that as atheists don't have a moral code they aren't really fit for public office  -  kinda makes sense.

Are you just trolling?

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on September 24, 2012, 05:35:51 AM
The whole point about Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela is that they weren't 'morally compromised' like the slave-owning founding father ass-wipes.

Morality without fundamentalism is like shit without stink - a nice idea until you really step into it.

Slave owning is specifically proscribed in the Bible.
The south continually justified their purpose by appealing to the Bible.
The slave trade for hundreds of years was nearly 100% Christian and likewise justified by the bible.

What we call moral today has little resemblance to anything in the texts.
The morality of civilized western societies did not happen thanks to the religion it happened in spite of it. The fact that we don't today keep slaves came about as a secular movement.
Anyone who followed the morality of bible literally would be a child abusing, slave keeping person who does things like murder his neighbor for not keeping the sabbath. The list goes on and on. Witch burning was a practice that was justified by passages from the bible.
The fact that the bible is littered with such things that we today find morally reprehensible is illustration that in FACT the moral compass of society is not christian.

The challenge in coming to anything that resembles a society based on reason and humanism has been an ongoing battle against the irrational "morality" of religion. It remains the same today.

What most people call moral today is impossible with Fundamentalism.
There simply are no Theistic religions that taken literally resemble anything that modern society could call moral.

From the bible:

   However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.  (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years.  Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom.  If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year.  But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him.  If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.  But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children.  I would rather not go free.'  If he does this, his master must present him before God.  Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl.  After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.  (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.  (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)


Shall I continue???

Quote from: BikerDude on September 24, 2012, 11:58:09 AM

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on September 24, 2012, 01:21:32 AM
I guess that as atheists don't have a moral code they aren't really fit for public office  -  kinda makes sense.

Are you just trolling?

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on September 24, 2012, 05:35:51 AM
The whole point about Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela is that they weren't 'morally compromised' like the slave-owning founding father ass-wipes.

Morality without fundamentalism is like shit without stink - a nice idea until you really step into it.

Slave owning is specifically proscribed in the Bible.
The south continually justified their purpose by appealing to the Bible.
The slave trade for hundreds of years was nearly 100% Christian and likewise justified by the bible.

What we call moral today has little resemblance to anything in the texts.
The morality of civilized western societies did not happen thanks to the religion it happened in spite of it. The fact that we don't today keep slaves came about as a secular movement.
Anyone who followed the morality of bible literally would be a child abusing, slave keeping person who does things like murder his neighbor for not keeping the sabbath. The list goes on and on. Witch burning was a practice that was justified by passages from the bible.
The fact that the bible is littered with such things that we today find morally reprehensible is illustration that in FACT the moral compass of society is not christian.

The challenge in coming to anything that resembles a society based on reason and humanism has been an ongoing battle against the irrational "morality" of religion. It remains the same today.

What most people call moral today is impossible with Fundamentalism.
There simply are no Theistic religions that taken literally resemble anything that modern society could call moral.

Calmer than you are dude

But okay I did have one stroll down the street of troll.

I aint pro bible or anything. Just don't see the point attacking stuff the whole time.

What is this the anti-religion gestapo or something?

Just calling a spade a spade IMDO.  We *do* chat about other things...

A very fair point.

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on September 24, 2012, 02:31:00 PM

What is this the anti-religion gestapo or something?

One wouldn't expect it to be pro organized religion at first glance.
You won't find many of the devout joining something like this.
In fact they would have a big problem with us.

Live and let live dude

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on September 24, 2012, 03:42:05 PM
Live and let live dude

You seem perfectly comfortable criticizing Atheism and accusing atheist of having no moral code.
Do that if you wish but make a case for it and don't suggest that others are being mean spirited.

Quote from: BikerDude on September 24, 2012, 03:47:24 PM

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on September 24, 2012, 03:42:05 PM
Live and let live dude

You seem perfectly comfortable criticizing Atheism and accusing atheist of having no moral code.
Do that if you wish but make a case for it and don't suggest that others are being mean spirited.

It's okay - I'm feeling less comfortable now.

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on September 24, 2012, 09:25:59 AM

Quote from: DigitalBuddha on September 24, 2012, 06:35:02 AM

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on September 24, 2012, 06:29:17 AM
Unfortunately sexual slavery is rampant and exists in America.

Sources of your information on that?

Come on dude - just google 'sexual slavery today' or what have you. It's not exactly a well kept secret.

Google results yield articles like this.....

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/41409991/ns/today-today_news/t/sex-slavery-america-one-girls-nightmare/#.UGDDQ1GLtyY

But that is hardly a situation of "sexual slavery is rampant" in the US. It's a crime, like any other crime. You might as well claim that "bank robbery is rampant in America" or that "liquor store robberies are rampant in America." They're crimes, dude, and when the human paraquats get nailed by the boys in the crime lab, we go Walter on their asses and it's mark it zero for the bunch of assholes involved. This is not a perfect country, but sexual slavery rampant? Not even close. You are falling prey to sensationalism and negative press, dude.

QuoteI guess that as atheists don't have a moral code they aren't really fit for public office  -  kinda makes sense.

This is a ridiculous statement!

I normally shy away from these debates because I have my own personal views and do not wish to inflame arguments... I normally sit on the fence and fume a bit with the things I see from both sides that I disagree with and go "YaaaaY" when either side agrees with my ethics.

You have crossed a line here dude.

I am an atheist loud and proud. You're telling me I have no moral code?

If I was a Catholic priest or maybe a Pope then by your interpretation I would have such a code.

Tell me. Why have the Catholic Church denied allegations of paedophilia  for so many years? Tell me why an institution with such a strong moral code have covered this shit up for years. These strongly moral men have a code for sure. An evil one of deceit and intolerance and lies and complicity.

I will never be judged by your God Sir. Because he does not exist. I will be judged by my actions here on earth while I am alive.

So far so good!

Judged by my peers and fellow human beings my moral code seems to be pretty good so far!

You say

QuoteLive and let live dude

Then do exactly that you hypocrite. Stop judging others by your beliefs.

This sticks in my craw. But peace dude.

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on September 24, 2012, 01:21:32 AM
I guess that as atheists don't have a moral code they aren't really fit for public office  -  kinda makes sense.

Surely this is you being ironic, Boston?

I never know with you Brits. One minute things mean what they're supposed to and the next they mean the opposite. How is a poor yank like me supposed to know when which is which?

By the way, I don't know if the stereotype has been brought up, but to the many British fellows on the forum: It's not that Americans don't understand irony, it's just that we don't expect it so much in everyday conversation. And we tend to use it only with people we know really really well. Just my two pence.

As you were.

Methinks Boston dude is a troll.

He's not a troll, he's just a very naughty boy.

I know him well. He wrote a very nice article about Dudeism: http://www.kindredspirit.co.uk/articles/article-detail/960