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Hackers plan space satellites to combat censorship

Computer hackers plan to take the internet beyond the reach of censors by putting their own communication satellites into orbit.

The scheme was outlined at the Chaos Communication Congress in Berlin.

The project's organisers said the Hackerspace Global Grid will also involve developing a grid of ground stations to track and communicate with the satellites.



Hack this - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16367042

Ahh, power to the little man.

I like the idea of putting a man back on the moon, but a jointly international project, under control of a group of transparent information-distributors.  Not that I believe there's anything more we can really learn from the moon at this point, but that is represents what we can do, outside of government organisations that aren't very transparent.

Interesting times ahead

Quote from: Rev. Ed C on January 03, 2012, 06:18:04 AM
Ahh, power to the little man.

I like the idea of putting a man back on the moon, but a jointly international project, under control of a group of transparent information-distributors.  Not that I believe there's anything more we can really learn from the moon at this point, but that is represents what we can do, outside of government organisations that aren't very transparent.

Interesting times ahead

The "outside of government," as you state, is the important part. Clearly governments have totally and tragically failed humanity. They are not the solution, they are in fact the problem. I personally believe that dudemanity, the human race, will eventually evolve to a point where government is no longer needed and the people of the future will rid themselves of government having progressed beyond the point of needing government. This will be a fundamental change in global society, and a welcome one.

Quote from: DigitalBuddha on January 03, 2012, 06:27:58 AM
The "outside of government," as you state, is the important part. Clearly governments have totally and tragically failed humanity. They are not the solution, they are in fact the problem. I personally believe that dudemanity, the human race, will eventually evolve to a point where government is no longer needed and the people of the future will rid themselves of government having progressed beyond the point of needing government. This will be a fundamental change in global society, and a welcome one.

That's an inner-estin' point of debate.  Although I'm sympathetic to the libertarian point of view, I think it only works if we do a hell of a lot of evolving.  Libertarianism falls prey to the same problems that statism does.  Corruption and selfishness spoil it all.

Capitalism and Communism are much the same, they both work in theory, but fall down when the human element rears it's ugly spanner-shaped head.

Hence, why in Dudeism, I think our most important work is in ironing out the flaws of humanity.  Greed, impatience, selfishness, dishonesty, hatred, disinterest and the like, the things that sour the milk of governance, be it one of governmental structure or one of cohesive community.

I don't care if we're an open community who works tightly together or a massive state that supports and nurtures.  As long as there's honesty, compassion, empathy and transparency.  It's the hidden rules and information that's the problem, and the lack of care and attention that lets people fall through the cracks.  Even a libertarian community can shun and ignore the problems of the few if they're not looking in the right direction.

Most American libertarians, that I've noticed, want to be free of the government for the wrong reasons and would form a harmful community, in my opinion.  The ideal is good, but the hand that puts it into practise is flawed, much like capitalist governments and communist regimes of notable failing.  But yet, people like yourself, and other dudely types help give hope to such ideals.

I believe that the systems are not at fault, it's the people who run them and the state of society and humanity in general.  So, cometh the dudes, cometh the spiritual evolution of humanity and society

Quote from: Rev. Ed C on January 03, 2012, 07:03:49 AM

Quote from: DigitalBuddha on January 03, 2012, 06:27:58 AM
The "outside of government," as you state, is the important part. Clearly governments have totally and tragically failed humanity. They are not the solution, they are in fact the problem. I personally believe that dudemanity, the human race, will eventually evolve to a point where government is no longer needed and the people of the future will rid themselves of government having progressed beyond the point of needing government. This will be a fundamental change in global society, and a welcome one.

I believe that the systems are not at fault, it's the people who run them and the state of society and humanity in general.  So, cometh the dudes, cometh the spiritual evolution of humanity and society

I concur with your comments, Rev., though I would say that the people who run the systems are more the less the systems themselves; that is to say they are one and the same. As goes the people, those in power, so goes the system. To change the system, one must see a change in the people. Which will happen.

Case in point; one of hitler's few true statements... "Hitler is Germany, Germany is Hitler" (actually uttered by Rudolf Hess, but hitler would undoubtedly agree)...and we all know where that lead. My point is that in hitler's case, he was powerful enough to embody the system.

I think humanity is hopefully on course to evolve into a more enlightened global society that values every human being and acts accordingly.

Quote from: DigitalBuddha on January 03, 2012, 07:32:07 AM
I concur with your comments, Rev., though I would say that the people who run the systems are more the less the systems themselves; that is to say they are one and the same. As goes the people, those in power, so goes the system. To change the system, one must see a change in the people. Which will happen.

Case in point; one of hitler's few true statements... "Hitler is Germany, Germany is Hitler" (actually uttered by Rudolf Hess, but hitler would undoubtedly agree)...and we all know where that lead. My point is that in hitler's case, he was powerful enough to embody the system.

I think humanity is hopefully on course to evolve into a more enlightened global society that values every human being and acts accordingly.

Hmm, yeah, in some cases.  When people build the system and it dies with them, that is definitely true.  But, most systems we have now are inherited.  Governments were set up donkey's years back and we just 'elect' new stooges to pilot them towards the edge of the flat world.

I guess another harmful thing apart from the people would be the stagnation of a system.  There are few that are limber in their thinking and take a rigid standpoint.  Things don't move with the times and the needs of the people they serve.  The US, as you'll know, has a constitution and bill or rights that is over 200 years old and partly out of date, but held shockingly sacred, like a holy text.  Thankfully there have been amendments made to help the transition from old to new.  Likewise, the British parliamentary procedure are grossly out of date and have been very slowly revised in recent years, but there's a big overhaul, especially in our upper house, that still needs to come to fruition.

The people need to evolve, and so do the systems in tandem.

If the systems do not reflect the needs of the people, the people need to reform them.  And, if the people in charge of the systems will not reform them, then the people need to be reformed   Sounds like catch 22, but, y'know, maybe we'll get there.

Here's to the people's satellites, and the first steps of moving forwards!

Quote from: Rev. Ed C on January 03, 2012, 07:42:52 AM

Quote from: DigitalBuddha on January 03, 2012, 07:32:07 AM
I concur with your comments, Rev., though I would say that the people who run the systems are more the less the systems themselves; that is to say they are one and the same. As goes the people, those in power, so goes the system. To change the system, one must see a change in the people. Which will happen.

Case in point; one of hitler's few true statements... "Hitler is Germany, Germany is Hitler" (actually uttered by Rudolf Hess, but hitler would undoubtedly agree)...and we all know where that lead. My point is that in hitler's case, he was powerful enough to embody the system.

I think humanity is hopefully on course to evolve into a more enlightened global society that values every human being and acts accordingly.

Hmm, yeah, in some cases.  When people build the system and it dies with them, that is definitely true.  But, most systems we have now are inherited.  Governments were set up donkey's years back and we just 'elect' new stooges to pilot them towards the edge of the flat world.

I guess another harmful thing apart from the people would be the stagnation of a system.  There are few that are limber in their thinking and take a rigid standpoint.  Things don't move with the times and the needs of the people they serve.  The US, as you'll know, has a constitution and bill or rights that is over 200 years old and partly out of date, but held shockingly sacred, like a holy text.  Thankfully there have been amendments made to help the transition from old to new.  Likewise, the British parliamentary procedure are grossly out of date and have been very slowly revised in recent years, but there's a big overhaul, especially in our upper house, that still needs to come to fruition.

The people need to evolve, and so do the systems in tandem.

If the systems do not reflect the needs of the people, the people need to reform them.  And, if the people in charge of the systems will not reform them, then the people need to be reformed  Sounds like catch 22, but, y'know, maybe we'll get there.

Here's to the people's satellites, and the first steps of moving forwards!

Interesting observation, good points made Rev.; but I would argue one point; you mention that we inherited our governments. I would say that we did inherit our governments, BUT, each generation has made many changes in the inherited governmental system to fit their fancy (i.e., desire for power) thus changing the system to embody themselves. That is to say, as an example, the US government is far different in practical practice than the government envisioned and established by our American founding fathers in 1776. it has become a product of them, it has become them. As it will in the future.

The current US government has been molded by those "in power." The system has become the current generation's product. To make a point; what if a generation of Mahatma Gandhis inherited the US government or Mother Teresas? We would have a decidedly different system I would wager.

Quote from: DigitalBuddha on January 03, 2012, 08:13:57 AM
The current US government has been molded by those "in power." The system has become the current generation's product. To make a point; what if a generation of Mahatma Gandhis inherited the US government or Mother Teresas? We would have a decidedly different system I would wager.

Too true, they'd make something different, but that's the point.  It needs to evolve, and I think most governments don't evolve as well as they should.  As different as the systems appear, they are still modelled on the original systems.

The key thing often being that most politicians are out of touch from most people because most people can't be politicians.  I guess that harkens back to the 99% thing that's rung out so loud of late across the world.  Empathy and foresight work wonders in unison to predict the needs of people moving forwards, rather than a cold, logical hindsight that tries to fix things after they're already broken.

I'd say, as far as I'm concerned, most modern political systems are inherited.  It's only been through acts of revolution that we've seen change (ie, from monarchy or autoracy to a democracy).  Although Oliver Cromwell would not recognise the things that Parliament does, he'll still find it hasn't changed much in the way they do things.

It's like sport.  Take football for example, being one of the world's oldest sports.  In the last 400 years it's really changed a lot, rules and amount of players on the pitch, etc, but it's still the same game, round ball, kick into net.  Maybe it's time we stopped playing football and had a crack at cricket, or hockey?

As much as the systems can be reformed, maybe at some stage it's time for a new system altogether?  Of course... are we ready for that sort of change?  I'd say no, not now.  But, this news story certainly harkens the dawning of what may come.

Accountability and transparency, listening to all the voices, not just the few that supposedly matter "more", thinking forwards, not backwards.

Maybe.... just maybe...

Good points ED & DB. As long as either the system or the people don't evolve, we're fucked. Constantly altering the law to make up for greed, hatred, etc. is like playing whack-a-mole.  It's kind of a chicken and egg scenario, but I do think it is the human factor that everything hinges on. There are efforts being made...

http://www.thevenusproject.com/
http://www.thrivemovement.com/

...and others.
 

I always make a clear distinction between the Government and the System of government.
I believe in our system of Government. Trouble is that it tends to progress toward crisis from time to time due to apathy, propaganda and lies.
Luckily the system is such that it tends to get somewhat adjusted from time to time.
You can fool all the people etc.. etc.. etc..

The article is a bit inflammatory, but accurate...

http://www.naturalnews.com/034537_NDAA_Bill_of_Rights_Obama.html