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Title: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Rama Gonzobabba Rumraisin on December 03, 2009, 04:37:14 PM
Being recently ordained, (9-9-09, a particularly auspicious date) I am in a quandry concerning the "formal" holidays of the various other belief systems abounding in our world today.  My feeling is "Happy Holidays" is a cop-out compramise to political correctness.  Should I wish others a Merry Chrismahanukwanzakah, or use Happy Thanksweenmas?  At least then we can stuff the turkey with candy corn and tinsel.  Or mayhaps just start clean with, for instance, Yakisoba Wasabi Solstice?  For more info on Chrismahanukwanzakah, please see:
http://radcade.com/play-5192-Happy_Chrismahanukwanzakah.html
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on December 03, 2009, 09:30:28 PM
You don't go out celebrating a midwinter festival season dressed like that do you?
on a weekday?
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Rama Gonzobabba Rumraisin on December 04, 2009, 08:45:13 AM
You don't go out celebrating a midwinter festival season dressed like that do you?
on a weekday?

Only if it's not too cold.  Elsewise, we prefer to dance nekked in the snow!
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on December 04, 2009, 07:19:50 PM
You don't go out celebrating a midwinter festival season dressed like that do you?
on a weekday?

Only if it's not too cold.  Elsewise, we prefer to dance nekked in the snow!
That must be exhausting.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on December 04, 2009, 09:55:53 PM
Being recently ordained, (9-9-09, a particularly auspicious date) I am in a quandry concerning the "formal" holidays of the various other belief systems abounding in our world today.  My feeling is "Happy Holidays" is a cop-out compramise to political correctness.  Should I wish others a Merry Chrismahanukwanzakah, or use Happy Thanksweenmas?  At least then we can stuff the turkey with candy corn and tinsel.  Or mayhaps just start clean with, for instance, Yakisoba Wasabi Solstice?  For more info on Chrismahanukwanzakah, please see:
http://radcade.com/play-5192-Happy_Chrismahanukwanzakah.html

I suggest "Happy Bowling Day." Or, if you're into the whole brevity thing......... "Happy B-day."
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on December 05, 2009, 02:01:43 AM
I think Christmas is cool anyway. At the end JCD was a dude like us. Not that I like all the business around.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Rama Gonzobabba Rumraisin on December 05, 2009, 04:20:44 PM
Christmas as a concept is, in fact, a way cool season.  The prob here is "the man" has totally usurped the purpose!  What was (originally anyhow) a celebration of the winter solstice was "borrowed" by The Church (along with some other ancient special annual acknowledgements) to entice us pageans into coming to their party.  That's cool.  At least hey had libations.

I remember (back in the day of 8 track and black, rotary phones that HAD to stay attached to the wall) when the Xmas stuff did not appear until after Thanksgiving (yet another fabricated commercial venture, created by, I think the Butterball Corp.) but now a days, as soon as they drag the left over Halloween (ain't even going to speak to the ripping off of All Hallows Eve) "stuff" off the shelves, the greedy bastards start dragging out the red-suited fat fuck crap so we all get extremely paranoid that there's only 50 someodd fuckin' shoppin' days left before you're branded a cheap miser.

Anyway, I completely concur with greatspiritmonk that the real reason for the season is totally cool.  If JCD got pissed with the money changers at the Temple, can you imagine the total cow he'd have with what transpires these days in His name? 

Maybe we should just burn one and go bowlin'?
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on December 05, 2009, 07:30:56 PM
At first I wanted to ask you what in God's name are you blathering about?
then I realized
A. you are not saying its in God's name, which is cool
B. I dont like Christmas.

c'mon reverends, its the 21st century! We should do something much in the parlance of our times, and off-shore, or out-source this religious celebration cum commercial enterprise. (and not a zesty enterprise, is it?)

I'm not sure about the technical details, but havent you thought, that you know, if it did, and maybe it could instead of all the new and you know.., reverends?
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on December 06, 2009, 02:44:06 AM
Fucking A, Rama. I guess JCD should wear mountain shoes for the job, with some spikes too.

Exactly doesn't like Christmas, which is cool, and I like Christmas, which I guess it's cool too. That's the beauty of being a dudeist, isn't it? We're both right, right?

I don't like too all the commercialism for whatever reason: Christmas, Easter, St. Valentine and so on. But I must admit that I love Christmas, I don't know if it's because I'm still a child inside, or for the winter season, or decoration or whatever, but I feel the Christmas Spirit and I see it also in other people. I feel cooler, and not for the temperature. And I think there's nothing wrong with it. It's a reason for people to stay together, enjoy more each others and usually being nicer to each other. And have some presents too.  8)

As Rama said it goes back to Stonehenge times, and probably before that, even if it was called Yule, so probably there's a good reason for it. The fact that Catholics stole it with a lot of other funny dates, like Carnival or Halloween, for me isn't a good reason not to have a good time. Under the other big religion we would have none of them.
What I've found really funny was seeing the Christmas tree in front of the Vatican. The Yule tree was a pagan invention, so it's like Catholics acting like pagans. Very funny thing.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Elbowski on December 06, 2009, 11:56:43 PM
Right on dudes. The old man said to take any rug in the house.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Conzentration on December 07, 2009, 06:04:16 AM
Considering that Christmas has been usurped by many religions (or more correctly, the church usurped the pagan holiday), why not usurp it for your own festival?

I say celebrate the end of the year.  Throw up a tree so you don't fuck a stranger in the ass.  If you have your fellow dudes to share a few holiday cocktails with, go for it.  Celebrate any work or not so hard work from the previous year.  Abide with the holiday, dudes, but keep it within the parlance of our times.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on December 07, 2009, 11:36:51 AM
Fucking A, dude. And I would add, celebrate any possible holiday. Dudeism can be applied to any not-uptight religion, so why not make feast as much as possible. Every reason is a good reason to enjoy ourselves. And our compeers. and so on. Provided they take religion easy, and all the rest easy too.

Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: RevWade on December 07, 2009, 01:59:27 PM
The way I see it Jesus was a dude.  a particularly noteworthy one.  Why not just celebrate his birth with the rest of the world?  we don't need to do the whole "3 guys see a big star and figure out that the son of god will be born" thing.  we can just say what the doobie brothers said, "Jesus is just alright with me," and concentrate on his Dudely teachings.  Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on December 07, 2009, 02:34:28 PM
Ok reverends, this shit is starting to make sense now.

All I need to do is "abide with the good stuff"*  like turkey dinner, and presents, but I outsource the "three guys see a big star...", spikes through the wrists and the what have you. 
I just hope my local bowling alley is owned by a Muslim, then it might be open on Christmas...  Or a pagan or a nihilist, wow my thinking was so uptight...

Hmmm.. Welcome to Pagan Lanes, open 365 days a year.

or Welcome to NihiLanes, where everyone rolls nothing, and its exhausting.

* same as "take any rug in the house"
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: RevWade on December 08, 2009, 12:13:54 AM
"take any rug in the house"
far out man far fucking out!  Take any rug in the house!  Take any holiday in the calendar!  The Dude probably took the rug he liked the best, so lets individually take the holidays we like best.  This is not 'Nam, but do there really have to be a shit ton of rules?  Take a look at your calendar.  If you see a holiday, either mark it zero or mark it eight.  The Dude didn't do what the Big Lebowski said about getting a job, so why should we listen to anyone about which holidays to celebrate?  Maybe next year I'll celebrate Hanukkah.  You know, mark it eight days (forgive me for the pun)
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on December 08, 2009, 02:26:04 AM
Dudes you are fucking cool. Far fucking out men!

Dudeist holidays: Every day you like for whatever reason. 365 days a year if you are not into the whole brevity thing.  8)
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: meekon5 on December 08, 2009, 08:08:57 AM

Hmmm.. Welcome to Pagan Lanes, open 365 days a year.


Wait a minute there Pagans have holidays (solstices, equinoxes, and some others) I just forget to actually stop and sacrifice on them. (Speaking as a Zen Existentialist Taoist Postmodernist Pagan Dudeist).
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on December 08, 2009, 11:59:47 AM
Then you must make up for lost time with a strict sacred beverage regimen, the dudely way of offering sacrifices.  ;D
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: RevWade on December 08, 2009, 12:41:57 PM
Who wants to celebrate today?  I know I'm going to!
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on December 08, 2009, 07:46:27 PM
Wait hold the party a minute, we were complimented by Great, and he called us men.

That's not the preferred nomenclature, dude. Although I am a man, and maybe it does surprise you that yes I cry, I much prefer Rev., or Right Reverend if you're not into the whole brevity thing. That's one of the reasons I got ordained.

Ordained on 9/9/1999. There that oughta get Elbowski in here.

Now we can pour the sacred beverage. Take any rug in the house.
Rev.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on December 09, 2009, 01:09:54 AM
Sorry Dude, you're right.  ;D

Dudes you are fucking cool. Far fucking out Revs!
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: meekon5 on December 09, 2009, 06:18:44 AM
Then you must make up for lost time with a strict sacred beverage regimen, the dudely way of offering sacrifices.  ;D

See there's another parallel for my Paganism and Dudeism. I worship Bacchus (god of wine), so sacrificing in the Bacchanalian (though a festival, I use this phrase to refer to the Pub) is more than acceptable.  ;D
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on December 09, 2009, 09:19:52 AM
You're a wise man dude.  ;D Fucking A.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on December 09, 2009, 09:33:49 PM
A wise publican pagan dudeist. That suits this Rev. fine
Pour us a pint and let the storytellin' begin,

enlighten us to these ways of the Bacchanalian, in the parlance of our times.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: karlhungus on December 11, 2009, 04:48:53 PM
i've been ordained but didnt pay.  can i still celebrate?  i'm thirsting for a caucasian. 
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: meekon5 on December 16, 2009, 09:31:06 AM
A wise publican pagan dudeist. That suits this Rev. fine
Pour us a pint and let the storytellin' begin,

enlighten us to these ways of the Bacchanalian, in the parlance of our times.

Have to say the Bacchanalian parties were so over the top they partied so hard the Senate banned the practice in Rome at one point.

It's the original biting heads off of chickens and full on orgies at this point though.

Have to admit my local pub never quite gets that good though it does have a reputation for loud music, and occasional violence (not that I've seen any of this, the violence that is).
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on December 17, 2009, 12:55:26 AM
They should have sticked to sex and wine.  ;D
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Dude1967 on December 17, 2009, 07:46:03 AM
Dudes, if you want to celebrate Christmas, celebrate Christmas. It doesn't matter, as long as you're celebrating "The Day of The Dude" (March 6).  Beyond that, it's up to you.  Am I wrong?  As far as I can tell, that is the only officially recognized Dudeist holiday.  I personally also celebrate Jeff Bridges' birthday (Dec 4) but that's just, like, my opinion, man.  Or at least another excuse to make my mind limber.  ;D
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: meekon5 on December 17, 2009, 08:03:16 AM
Personally I lean towards the Erisian Holy Holiday concept. Make them up as you go along because no-one can argue it shouldn't be an Erisian holiday, i think Dudeism should have the same ethos.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: RevWade on December 17, 2009, 06:22:12 PM
fuck it man.  just tell them a day or two in advance.  right now I'm on a 7 month + dudeist holiday.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on December 18, 2009, 12:43:29 AM
Yeah, fuck it. That's your answer for everything.  ;D
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Matt the Walrus on December 20, 2009, 03:37:52 AM
Dudes, the more celebrating the better. Personally I'll be celebrating Christmas and Festivus this year. Though I have to admit that, in true Dudeist fashion, I just use them as excuses to eat, drink, and be merry.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: RevWade on December 20, 2009, 01:13:02 PM
Yeah, fuck it. That's your answer for everything.  ;D
I'll be sure to get it tattooed on my forehead
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on December 20, 2009, 05:00:22 PM
Matt, mark it 8. I'm with ya on that.
'just had a christmas thing last night, with a Chinese Gift exchange, oops thats not the preferred nomenclature. The "Nationally Neutral Gift Exchange". The food was good, no main course, all appetizers. A new one was out; bacon-wrapped stuffing balls. Awesome, everything is better bacon wrapped, maybe even bacon.
few beers, few laughs.
I'm ready for the next midwinter festival season party.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Matt the Walrus on December 21, 2009, 04:54:02 PM
Bacon wrapped stuffing balls? Why haven't I thought of that before. That's just amazing.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on December 22, 2009, 04:06:12 AM
Dudes, the more celebrating the better. Personally I'll be celebrating Christmas and Festivus this year. Though I have to admit that, in true Dudeist fashion, I just use them as excuses to eat, drink, and be merry.

Fucking A, dude, fucking A.  8)
Title: Acceptable holidays
Post by: encutle09 on December 23, 2009, 11:41:59 AM
Merry Christmas all enjoy your holidays and spend your time wisely with family, friends and other loved ones. But do not forget those who dont have it as good as you, but share with them your thoughts and love. May it be a peaceful and enjoyable Christmas time for all.

best regards
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on December 27, 2009, 12:30:10 AM

Hmmm.. Welcome to Pagan Lanes, open 365 days a year.

...Speaking as a Zen Existentialist Taoist Postmodernist Pagan Dudeist........

Ahhhh, that must be exhausting.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Rama Gonzobabba Rumraisin on December 27, 2009, 07:20:07 PM
Bacon wrapped stuffing balls? Why haven't I thought of that before. That's just amazing.

You Dudes should come to Texas.  We even got, are you ready for this...

Chicken Fried Bacon!  with gravy no less  ('course ever thing's better with gravy)

Little place called Snook,TX...

http://mobile.seriouseats.com/2008/06/video-chicken-fried-bacon-sodolaks-original-country-inn-snook-texas.html

Don't really unnerstand her comment on ..."just needs more salt." though, that stuff'll kill ya'.

God Bless Texas!
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on December 27, 2009, 09:00:32 PM
That looks GREAT!, I would really like it, I will try it iffen I get to Snook!
Meantime I am going to try bacon-wrapped pork tenderloin.
or bacon wrapped steak.  wait that might already be done
Fuck it.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Matt the Walrus on December 28, 2009, 04:39:49 AM
Bacon wrapped cheese. mmmmm.... cheeeeese.....
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on December 28, 2009, 09:45:44 PM
The old man said take any bacon in the house.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: brandt on December 29, 2009, 05:39:03 PM
Christmas as a concept is, in fact, a way cool season.  The prob here is "the man" has totally usurped the purpose!  What was (originally anyhow) a celebration of the winter solstice was "borrowed" by The Church (along with some other ancient special annual acknowledgements) to entice us pageans into coming to their party.  That's cool.  At least hey had libations.

I remember (back in the day of 8 track and black, rotary phones that HAD to stay attached to the wall) when the Xmas stuff did not appear until after Thanksgiving (yet another fabricated commercial venture, created by, I think the Butterball Corp.) but now a days, as soon as they drag the left over Halloween (ain't even going to speak to the ripping off of All Hallows Eve) "stuff" off the shelves, the greedy bastards start dragging out the red-suited fat fuck crap so we all get extremely paranoid that there's only 50 someodd fuckin' shoppin' days left before you're branded a cheap miser.

Anyway, I completely concur with greatspiritmonk that the real reason for the season is totally cool.  If JCD got pissed with the money changers at the Temple, can you imagine the total cow he'd have with what transpires these days in His name? 

Maybe we should just burn one and go bowlin'?

FUCKIN' A Dude. I know what you are blathering about. This whole current day Christmas season is a fuckin' travesty and gets worse every year. What the fuck ever happened to just getting together for the people reason instead of this perverted "material bullshit" marathon. And yes that is the stress talkin'. I just told my kids and my special lady(wife) that it will take the whole fuckin year just to repair the relationship with them from the serious hurt this "buy every shiny chicom piece of shit (holiday?) puts on my karma. I been threatening to go into rehab in December just to spare them and me. That's just like my opinion, man >:(
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Antagonism on December 30, 2009, 04:53:24 PM
A pity it's not snowing where I am (Gerona). I recieve either rain or cold air, but not snow.  >:( I will miss the opportunity to play snow fights with friends, trudging through the white cakewalk. I do hope though, that in the UK and elsewhere snow falls, many children and adults alike are having snow fights, seeing how many times they can get each other in the face.  ;D
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on December 30, 2009, 08:45:27 PM
I'll join you in rehab Brandt, as long as we can find one with a bar.

"Welcome to Sunshine Acres, bars over there"

I think I could find some needy Maudes, and avoid the "thurra" doctors
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Dude1967 on December 31, 2009, 12:36:36 AM
Matt, mark it 8. I'm with ya on that.
'just had a christmas thing last night, with a Chinese Gift exchange, oops thats not the preferred nomenclature. The "Nationally Neutral Gift Exchange". The food was good, no main course, all appetizers. A new one was out; bacon-wrapped stuffing balls. Awesome, everything is better bacon wrapped, maybe even bacon.
few beers, few laughs.
I'm ready for the next midwinter festival season party.
bacon wrapped bacon IS awesome   ;D
Title: Happy "Is This A--What Day Is This?" Day!
Post by: SmokeytheBuddha on January 03, 2010, 12:30:47 PM
The Brother Shamuses and Special Ladies here at St. DaFino's Monastery observe this holiday almost every day.

In keeping with our Dudeist ethos, the beauty of this holiday is that it can be observed any time, any where, by anyone who keeps it.

It celebrates mostly that wonderful Dudeist tradition of abiding, of being so into takin' 'er easy at any given moment that you lose your train of thought and you just are.
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on January 04, 2010, 02:37:06 AM
Far out. Fucking A!
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: meekon5 on January 12, 2010, 09:25:31 AM

Hmmm.. Welcome to Pagan Lanes, open 365 days a year.

...Speaking as a Zen Existentialist Taoist Postmodernist Pagan Dudeist........

Ahhhh, that must be exhausting.

Nah I just tend to tell people that to shut them up.

Zen = all is illusion
Existentialist = Pick a lie and live by it (or not)
Taoist = go with the Qi
Postmodernist = all is text therefore make it up as you go along
Pagan = Bacchus - more wine sir?
Dudeist = go with the flow ("What day is this?")

oh and I forgot the Erisian (pagan) = all is chaos so why worry?
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: ispamforfood on January 17, 2010, 02:55:54 PM
Being recently ordained, (9-9-09, a particularly auspicious date) I am in a quandry concerning the "formal" holidays of the various other belief systems abounding in our world today.  My feeling is "Happy Holidays" is a cop-out compramise to political correctness.  Should I wish others a Merry Chrismahanukwanzakah, or use Happy Thanksweenmas?  At least then we can stuff the turkey with candy corn and tinsel.  Or mayhaps just start clean with, for instance, Yakisoba Wasabi Solstice?  For more info on Chrismahanukwanzakah, please see:
http://radcade.com/play-5192-Happy_Chrismahanukwanzakah.html

I say happy Festivus.   Seinfeld Rocks.  "A FESTIVUS FOR THE REST OF US!"
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Spoonifyourhorny on January 20, 2010, 12:10:34 PM
I'm a firm believer in Shomer Shabbas, or שומר שבת , The actual function of Shabbat is paying respect, because the world was created in 6 days and on the 7th there was rest. I have no intention on elaborating on this any further on what I have because I'm not qualified to do so.

So you elect a day of the week to chill and do nothing, It is literally an Island in time where you can relieve yourself of everything going on in the world and relax/ be at peace, In Israel on a Saturday nobody works, hardly anyone drives, everybody's out in the streets walking around and chilling, you eat a lot of food you dedicate this day to chilling and not worrying
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on January 20, 2010, 06:47:42 PM
And bowling?
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Spoonifyourhorny on January 21, 2010, 05:27:13 AM
That Depends do you bowl?
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: FuckinA on January 21, 2010, 06:21:19 AM
Dudes, on Shabbas you "Don't drive a car, you don't  turn on the oven, and you SURE DON'T FUCKING ROLL!! SHOMER FUCKING SHABBAS!"
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Spoonifyourhorny on January 21, 2010, 08:27:15 AM
We all need to celebrate sukot!, you build a grass hut next to your house, and for a week you invite other dudes to sit, chill, feast, smoke whatever makes you happy and for this week other awesome dudes celebrating sukot come and sit in your hut and they bring their beer and their food and then you wander around a bit and share your beer and your food with some other awesome dudes its a pretty sweet holiday and its a week of eating and chilling, and if not that we need to celebrate international Australia week, because everyone likes lamb on the barbie
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: FuckinA on January 21, 2010, 11:08:52 AM
Sounds like a Swich fucking watch man! Let's do it!
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: TheManForHisTimeAndPlace on January 21, 2010, 12:46:37 PM
Alvis is the holiest man to ever slap iron - he killed for your sins!
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on January 21, 2010, 10:21:50 PM
Were you listening to the dude's story?
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: FuckinA on January 22, 2010, 06:49:01 AM
Alvis is the holiest man to ever slap iron - he killed for your sins!

You're out of your element here, like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie...!!
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Spoonifyourhorny on January 22, 2010, 10:06:26 AM
wow dude that metaphor was perfect in so many ways man, take a bow
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: FuckinA on January 26, 2010, 04:11:05 AM
OVER THE LINE!!!!
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Spoonifyourhorny on January 31, 2010, 08:31:41 AM
what happened? I'm confused
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: Spoonifyourhorny on January 31, 2010, 08:32:36 AM
what happened? I'm confused
Title: Re: Acceptable holidays?
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on January 31, 2010, 11:34:47 AM
Brandt will fill you in with the details