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Title: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: meekon5 on September 21, 2009, 05:57:52 AM

From another thread:

Quote from: meekon5 on September 17, 2009, 08:47:17 AM

If we're co-opting Taoist literature how about a Dudeist I Ching?

I use to do modern interpretations of the Wilhelm translation calling it "Tea With Mr Ching".

Quote from: meekon5 on September 18, 2009, 08:34:04 AM

I've got a few translations of the I Ching. If I leave the Confusious comentaries out for the moment.

Unfortunatly I can't do it from the original Chinese.

Damn I think I've made a rod for my own back here.  ;D

Quote from: meekon5 on September 21, 2009, 05:46:09 AM

OK, I've already started. I've done a simple conversion of the coin method of pattern creation using oat soda tops.

Is this the point when I should perhaps begin another thread?

So here it is.

I have a long history of studying and using the I Ching and in discussion last week suggested a Dudest version.

Not thinking about it I was of course inadvertently volunteering myself to have a go.

As I said I have contemplated (in the bath) and have already achieved a simple conversion of the coin method of casting.

An important question though is that of the title.

The Dude Ching (properly pronounced Dude Jing , or King)

Or

The I Dude (again properly pronounced Ye Dude)?

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on September 21, 2009, 06:14:12 AM

Tao Te Ching = Tao Dude Ching

I Ching = Dude Ching

 ;D

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: meekon5 on September 21, 2009, 07:06:03 AM

greatspiritmonk it could be just you and me in this, but thanks for the support.

I'm working on some of the graphics at the moment.

I finished the oat soda top pictures this morning on the train.

Example:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/3940943444_75c4875abb_m.jpg)

Explaination will be in the text.

And am looking at lines and hexagrams this week.

then will bend my powers to the text.

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: meekon5 on September 21, 2009, 10:02:31 AM

Can i count this as my dissertation for my Ph.Dude?

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on September 22, 2009, 01:42:53 AM

I'm sure we are not the only ones. The I Ching is an interesting matter, only that as a lot of Eastern things has become too complicated. Everyone needs answers sometime and this would be a good way.

What do you think of I Dude Ching?  8)

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: meekon5 on September 22, 2009, 06:50:12 AM

I think I've more or less settled with "The Dude Ching", the book usually has the subtitle “The book of changes”.

I've studied and used the text for many years now.

I have copies of the Legge, Wilhelm, and Wing translations amongst others that I have owned for years.

At the moment I have three versions in my bag and I don't know how many variants in digital on an usb stick.

One of my favourite tricks is to re-work a spreadsheet to do the casting for me.

As a young twenty year old my chief accountant was always very amused by one passage from the text something about there being no fish in the bag. He thought that was very funny.

I see what you’re saying about complication. I'm tempted to strip it all down to the lines and hexagrams and see if I can get a meaningful Dudeist text from that. I was tempted to have parallel columns with the Dudeist and Wilhelm translation in them.

This is turning out to be a big task. It was easy producing sixty four pictures for the Hexegrams, it’s looking at the text that is giving me a headache.

Example:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3435/3943669007_a928cdf870_m.jpg)

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on September 23, 2009, 01:24:25 AM

Well, it seems that you have the frame of reference to do the job. What always prevented me from learning I Ching was their complexity, which is right as life is a little complicated. What I love instead of Tao Te Ching is that it is only 81/84 chapters, depending on the version.

You could stick to a maximum of three sentences for every hexegram, both for Dudeist and regular explanation. At the end we are the ones with a single approach to life, taking 'er easy, so it fits perfectly that we simplify I Ching. And I'm sure that 2000 years ago it was simpler.

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: meekon5 on September 28, 2009, 07:19:11 AM

I thought attempt to reduce each hexagram to a Dudeist Haiku then expand a bit.

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on September 29, 2009, 12:20:26 AM

Right, I reviewed my copy and it's too complicated from a Dudeist point of view. I think you are on the right way.  8)

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: meekon5 on October 05, 2009, 10:11:08 AM

Did quiet a bit of work on the trigrams last week, looking at equivalents and trying to translate into Dudeism.

I'm looking at trying to re-work the trigrams to then pass that back into the main hexagram texts.

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on October 05, 2009, 08:36:47 PM

I'm sure at the end it will be worth all your efforts. Go on Dude.

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: meekon5 on October 11, 2009, 05:20:18 PM

Right I have an entire week off, so will be putting some real effort into this instead of just trying to do bits on the trian on the way  into work and back.

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: meekon5 on October 22, 2009, 08:11:18 AM

OK I was going to do a side by side style (Dude vs Original) but I have constructed lots of bits I'll put in appendices for those that can give a toss, but am nearly there with trigrams (attributing Dudeist symbols) and line placings in Dudeist parlance so I can begin reinterpreting the actual hexagrams.

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on October 23, 2009, 01:10:31 AM

Seems a lot of job, are you sur you want to do it?

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: meekon5 on October 23, 2009, 05:24:24 AM

Too late Dude I'm on the way.

Actually it's really good as a spiritual practice because I am having to think about the text and elements in ways I rarely do. Ususally I take the easy way out and just look at the main body of the text, but this way I am stripping it back to it's essential elements and really looking at how the text is built up.

It's giving me new levels of insight into the book I haven't had before.

I've finished the trigrams more or less and am working on the lines. I have already got some work on this bit:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2633/4037005950_5a1ec8805d.jpg)

See it's taken me quite a bit of time to compile this data from my many sources to begin a proper adaptation.

I will include a lot of these notes as appendices just because they are interesting to me.

You see I am essentially re-building the whole thing from scratch. Oh and I am doing all the illustrations and diagrams myself as well.

(yes i do spend a lot of time on trains with very little to do  ;D)

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: greatspiritmonk on October 23, 2009, 05:43:30 AM

I've had a headache just looking at the picture. I dig your efforts man.

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: baldfellow on December 20, 2009, 09:29:39 PM

Hey there Dudes--

I dabbled in the I Ching myself some times.  I can't possibly claim to know enough to do any serious analytical work on your doc, but I'd love to help out where I could.  I'd be happy to proof/edit/give impressions. 

's all good either way.

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: meekon5 on January 18, 2010, 08:21:52 AM

Didn't touch this (the Dude Ching) over the holiday. I'm just getting back to it. I'm assigning places and people from the Holy Canon then seeing if it still works.

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on January 18, 2010, 09:49:56 PM

Let me know how it works out m5, i can give you notes

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: Rev. Gary (revgms) on July 21, 2010, 08:30:21 PM

Dude that's cool, you still working on this. I would totally put this on my bookshelf, thought I Dude sounded cooler, but that's like just my opinion.

cheers

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: meekon5 on July 22, 2010, 06:07:54 AM

Yes I came up with a way of matching the trigrams to people and areas in the Big Lebowski, but on reflection that would create too much of a Lebowskist text. and I want to create a more pin dudeist text (or both).

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: Rev. Ed C on September 22, 2011, 04:09:19 AM

Quote from: thinkingdude on September 21, 2011, 11:42:23 PM

I'm surprised nobody tried iDude yet.

~thinkingdude

Steve Jobs is pretty damned undude.  Branding anything in an Apple-esque way is not worthy of our Dudeliness, even in parody.

He's credited with being an inventor, which is not true.  He founded Apple by stealing the hard work of his ex-business parter, Steve Wozniak, leaving him out in the cold, and then proceeded to 'innovate' technologies that others had created.

At best he's an innovater, taking things like the tablet PC and making it more commercially "hip".  He's invented nothing.  Putting something in white plastic is not the technological revolution people hail it to be :P

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: meekon5 on September 22, 2011, 07:28:50 AM

At best Jobs is an innovative marketer, or has an innovative marketing department.

There were much better spec tablet pc's released a couple of years before the iFad, with better connectivity, but they just didn't get the hype that Jobs gave his baby.

(http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/tablets-before-and-after-ipad.jpg)

Even then the touch interface  and screen was not even apples innovation.

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: Dirty Hippie on September 22, 2011, 08:49:13 AM

Anyone know where I can score a Newton?

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: Rev. Ed C on September 22, 2011, 08:58:31 AM

Quote from: Dirty Hippie on September 22, 2011, 08:49:13 AM

Anyone know where I can score a Newton?

Eat up Martha? :)

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: meekon5 on September 22, 2011, 09:17:05 AM

Quote from: Dirty Hippie on September 22, 2011, 08:49:13 AM

Anyone know where I can score a Newton?

http://oldcomputers.net/apple-newton.html

Title: Re: Dude Ching or I Dude?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 13, 2011, 04:05:12 AM

Quote from: meekon5 on September 22, 2011, 09:17:05 AM

Quote from: Dirty Hippie on September 22, 2011, 08:49:13 AM

Anyone know where I can score a Newton?

http://oldcomputers.net/apple-newton.html

I remember the Newton, friend of mine bought one and brought it to work bragging like a monkey who had just scored a big banana. In a few weeks I bought a Sharp version of the same kind of device at half the price that could do virtually everything the Newton could do and more. My friend's banana was rotting by then turning brown. He was NOT a happy camper and suddenly lost his fandom of Apple.

I had the Sharp Wizard Organizer................

(http://www.govbids.com/Post/surplusauctions/pics/1221107%20-%20Sharp%20Organizer%20040406%20compress.JPG)

I also bought this one..................

(http://images.pcworld.com/news/graphics/123950-Gadget48-Sharp-Wizard_b.jpg)