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Title: Is this treason?
Post by: LotsaBadKarma on April 19, 2015, 09:17:28 AM
http://www.citizen.org/tradewatch (http://www.citizen.org/tradewatch)

NAFTA on steroids?
Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: LarrySellers97 on April 19, 2015, 10:02:53 AM
Far from it
Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: LotsaBadKarma on April 19, 2015, 02:45:44 PM
How so?
Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on April 19, 2015, 05:27:29 PM
The question is; is this aggression that will not stand, man?
Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: LarrySellers97 on April 20, 2015, 06:28:53 AM
How so?


Man , come on who are you gonna believe, those guys or ... Look , man, i've got certain information. All right ? Certain things have come to light and ... you know has it ever occured to you that, instead of you know, running around blaming NAFTA . you know given the nature of all this new shit... y..yo...you know this could be a lot more uhhh complex.. I mean , it's not just a ... It might not be just such a simple uhh you know ?
Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: LotsaBadKarma on April 20, 2015, 11:13:50 AM
How so?


Man , come on who are you gonna believe, those guys or ... Look , man, i've got certain information. All right ? Certain things have come to light and ... you know has it ever occured to you that, instead of you know, running around blaming NAFTA . you know given the nature of all this new shit... y..yo...you know this could be a lot more uhhh complex.. I mean , it's not just a ... It might not be just such a simple uhh you know ?

Well put, sir. Now, get a job, sir.
Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: Reverend Al on April 20, 2015, 03:50:40 PM
Employed?  Is this a...what day is this?
Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on April 20, 2015, 06:58:52 PM
Fuck it, I'm going bowling. 8)(http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: jgiffin on April 20, 2015, 11:19:44 PM
When I click the link, I just get an "Unable to Access Network." Treasonous content? Well, I dunno: let's contemplate some navels.

If I were paranoid, I'd say the link is a decoy and the NSA now has me on a list for attempting to look at something ostensibly treasonous.

If I were slightly more paranoid, I'd say the NSA blocked the site from my computer so I can't further my treasonous tendencies.



Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: BikerDude on April 21, 2015, 08:55:34 AM
I assume you are referring to the "Fast Track Trade Bill"? Actually a fast track for the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
For me it shows who is running the show.
The financial services part of the economy seems to be in charge for sure.
Even the vestiges of American manufacturing seem to be left out in the cold, right along with Unions.
http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Fast-Track-Legislation (http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Fast-Track-Legislation)
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Legislators have introduced a bill that is bad for democracy and bad for America. The Fast Track legislation (S. 1900 and H.R. 3830), introduced by Sens. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and Rep. Dave Camp (R-Mich.), would establish a process that allows no amendments and limited debate on such trade deals as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Once legislators have the Fast Track ticket in their hands, they are free to agree to provisions that will send jobs overseas, reduce the bargaining power of workers, jeopardize health and safety regulations and gives corporations more control over our economy and our trading partners' economies. ACCESS THE DIGITAL TOOLKIT

Fast Track legislation allowed the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) to be rammed through Congress with weak labor and environmental side deals. Since NAFTA went into effect in 1994, North American workers have experienced downward pressure on wages and a tougher organizing environment. Twenty years later, we find an unbalanced system in which profits soar even as workers take home a diminishing share of the national income.

More recent trade deals, like the World Trade Organization trade deal, had no labor or environmental standards at all. And other Fast Track trade deals have included Colombia, a country in which nearly 3,000 labor leaders and activists have been killed since 1986, and Korea?a country with which our trade deficit is already rising, and which, under the very low standards of the deal, can receive tariff benefits for cars that contain only 35% Korean content.

To really have trade deals with high standards, the American public must have more say?and that means no Fast Track authority from Congress.

The Baucus-Hatch-Camp- bill would do nothing to fix the U.S. trade deficit or grow the middle class. In fact, it would interfere with important health and safety regulations, ensure the primacy of investor rights over labor rights and boost profits and incomes for global corporations and the top 1%. But it will shrink the paychecks of working families and make it less likely that America?s children can climb the ladder of success.
Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: LotsaBadKarma on April 21, 2015, 09:11:56 AM
I assume you are referring to the "Fast Track Trade Bill"? Actually a fast track for the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
For me it shows who is running the show.
The financial services part of the economy seems to be in charge for sure.
Even the vestiges of American manufacturing seem to be left out in the cold, right along with Unions.
http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Fast-Track-Legislation (http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Fast-Track-Legislation)
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Legislators have introduced a bill that is bad for democracy and bad for America. The Fast Track legislation (S. 1900 and H.R. 3830), introduced by Sens. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and Rep. Dave Camp (R-Mich.), would establish a process that allows no amendments and limited debate on such trade deals as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Once legislators have the Fast Track ticket in their hands, they are free to agree to provisions that will send jobs overseas, reduce the bargaining power of workers, jeopardize health and safety regulations and gives corporations more control over our economy and our trading partners' economies. ACCESS THE DIGITAL TOOLKIT

Fast Track legislation allowed the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) to be rammed through Congress with weak labor and environmental side deals. Since NAFTA went into effect in 1994, North American workers have experienced downward pressure on wages and a tougher organizing environment. Twenty years later, we find an unbalanced system in which profits soar even as workers take home a diminishing share of the national income.

More recent trade deals, like the World Trade Organization trade deal, had no labor or environmental standards at all. And other Fast Track trade deals have included Colombia, a country in which nearly 3,000 labor leaders and activists have been killed since 1986, and Korea?a country with which our trade deficit is already rising, and which, under the very low standards of the deal, can receive tariff benefits for cars that contain only 35% Korean content.

To really have trade deals with high standards, the American public must have more say?and that means no Fast Track authority from Congress.

The Baucus-Hatch-Camp- bill would do nothing to fix the U.S. trade deficit or grow the middle class. In fact, it would interfere with important health and safety regulations, ensure the primacy of investor rights over labor rights and boost profits and incomes for global corporations and the top 1%. But it will shrink the paychecks of working families and make it less likely that America?s children can climb the ladder of success.

That's what I was talking about.
Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: BikerDude on April 21, 2015, 09:14:11 AM
I assume you are referring to the "Fast Track Trade Bill"? Actually a fast track for the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
For me it shows who is running the show.
The financial services part of the economy seems to be in charge for sure.
Even the vestiges of American manufacturing seem to be left out in the cold, right along with Unions.
http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Fast-Track-Legislation (http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Fast-Track-Legislation)
Quote
Legislators have introduced a bill that is bad for democracy and bad for America. The Fast Track legislation (S. 1900 and H.R. 3830), introduced by Sens. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and Rep. Dave Camp (R-Mich.), would establish a process that allows no amendments and limited debate on such trade deals as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Once legislators have the Fast Track ticket in their hands, they are free to agree to provisions that will send jobs overseas, reduce the bargaining power of workers, jeopardize health and safety regulations and gives corporations more control over our economy and our trading partners' economies. ACCESS THE DIGITAL TOOLKIT

Fast Track legislation allowed the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) to be rammed through Congress with weak labor and environmental side deals. Since NAFTA went into effect in 1994, North American workers have experienced downward pressure on wages and a tougher organizing environment. Twenty years later, we find an unbalanced system in which profits soar even as workers take home a diminishing share of the national income.

More recent trade deals, like the World Trade Organization trade deal, had no labor or environmental standards at all. And other Fast Track trade deals have included Colombia, a country in which nearly 3,000 labor leaders and activists have been killed since 1986, and Korea?a country with which our trade deficit is already rising, and which, under the very low standards of the deal, can receive tariff benefits for cars that contain only 35% Korean content.

To really have trade deals with high standards, the American public must have more say?and that means no Fast Track authority from Congress.

The Baucus-Hatch-Camp- bill would do nothing to fix the U.S. trade deficit or grow the middle class. In fact, it would interfere with important health and safety regulations, ensure the primacy of investor rights over labor rights and boost profits and incomes for global corporations and the top 1%. But it will shrink the paychecks of working families and make it less likely that America?s children can climb the ladder of success.

That's what I was talking about.

Well it's paraquatism for sure.
Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: jgiffin on April 22, 2015, 03:31:17 PM
I assume you are referring to the "Fast Track Trade Bill"? Actually a fast track for the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
For me it shows who is running the show.
The financial services part of the economy seems to be in charge for sure.
Even the vestiges of American manufacturing seem to be left out in the cold, right along with Unions.
http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Fast-Track-Legislation (http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Fast-Track-Legislation)
Quote
Legislators have introduced a bill that is bad for democracy and bad for America. The Fast Track legislation (S. 1900 and H.R. 3830), introduced by Sens. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and Rep. Dave Camp (R-Mich.), would establish a process that allows no amendments and limited debate on such trade deals as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Once legislators have the Fast Track ticket in their hands, they are free to agree to provisions that will send jobs overseas, reduce the bargaining power of workers, jeopardize health and safety regulations and gives corporations more control over our economy and our trading partners' economies. ACCESS THE DIGITAL TOOLKIT

Fast Track legislation allowed the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) to be rammed through Congress with weak labor and environmental side deals. Since NAFTA went into effect in 1994, North American workers have experienced downward pressure on wages and a tougher organizing environment. Twenty years later, we find an unbalanced system in which profits soar even as workers take home a diminishing share of the national income.

More recent trade deals, like the World Trade Organization trade deal, had no labor or environmental standards at all. And other Fast Track trade deals have included Colombia, a country in which nearly 3,000 labor leaders and activists have been killed since 1986, and Korea?a country with which our trade deficit is already rising, and which, under the very low standards of the deal, can receive tariff benefits for cars that contain only 35% Korean content.

To really have trade deals with high standards, the American public must have more say?and that means no Fast Track authority from Congress.

The Baucus-Hatch-Camp- bill would do nothing to fix the U.S. trade deficit or grow the middle class. In fact, it would interfere with important health and safety regulations, ensure the primacy of investor rights over labor rights and boost profits and incomes for global corporations and the top 1%. But it will shrink the paychecks of working families and make it less likely that America?s children can climb the ladder of success.

That's what I was talking about.

Well it's paraquatism for sure.

Agreed. But both major US political parties tread well beyond treason generations ago. At this point we have a Kafka-esque Absurdocracy - government by bureaucrats who ignore the rule of law, themselves, while weaponizing it against internal enemies and whose foreign policy is conducted solely to perpetuate and strengthen its hold over the domestic populace through propaganda and scare tactics.
Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: LotsaBadKarma on April 25, 2015, 01:32:50 PM
Kafka-esque Absurdocracy! I fucking love that! May I borrow it? Please?
Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: jgiffin on April 26, 2015, 06:48:30 PM
I forgot to put a TM or circle-R behind it, so it's community property.

Pilfer at will.
Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: meekon5 on April 27, 2015, 05:29:41 AM
I forgot to put a TM or circle-R behind it, so it's community property.

Pilfer at will.
Just putting "TM or circle-R" doesn't necessarily restrict usage, both have to be properly registered. Better to use circle-C, and a better still restriction would be one of the circle-CC (Creative Commons (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/)) copyright licenses. Which are much better and don't restrict distribution but depending on what version you go for depends on what you are letting people do.

(sorry one of my things!)

Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: BikerDude on April 27, 2015, 09:44:05 AM
Agreed. But both major US political parties tread well beyond treason generations ago. At this point we have a Kafka-esque Absurdocracy - government by bureaucrats who ignore the rule of law, themselves, while weaponizing it against internal enemies and whose foreign policy is conducted solely to perpetuate and strengthen its hold over the domestic populace through propaganda and scare tactics.

They have gradually become more and more bold as they have gotten away with more and more.
It used to be they used loopholes and attorneys. Now they've conspired to make their largess legal.
They know they control the dialog. Not only are people docile as Buddhist cows they are kept blissfully ignorant. When they do organize it is around the cause of cutting their own throats .
It's fairly pathetic.

I really believe that this is the result of shooting down the Telecommunications act of 1934. By Clinton.
The dialog has been bought 100%.
It's an echo chamber.


Title: Re: Is this treason?
Post by: meekon5 on May 06, 2015, 09:22:29 AM
I forgot to put a TM or circle-R behind it, so it's community property.

Pilfer at will.
Just putting "TM or circle-R" doesn't necessarily restrict usage, both have to be properly registered. Better to use circle-C, and a better still restriction would be one of the circle-CC (Creative Commons (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/)) copyright licenses. Which are much better and don't restrict distribution but depending on what version you go for depends on what you are letting people do.

(sorry one of my things!)

Actually found the best "license" today:

Quote
/*
 * ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 * "THE BEER-WARE LICENSE" (Revision 43):
 * Nagy Vilmos wrote this file. As long as you retain this notice you
 * can do whatever you want with this stuff. If we meet some day, and you think
 * this stuff is worth it, you can buy me a beer in return.
 * ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 */
care of Code Project (http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/5052889/Best-Licence-Ever.aspx)