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Title: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Hominid on October 21, 2011, 01:45:18 PM
A reminder of today's deadline...

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/313067
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: a_bag_of_dude on October 21, 2011, 02:19:01 PM
Seriously... There have been people in BC times that had more understanding of the world than these pathetic vermin.

I can't even laugh at these people anymore.
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 21, 2011, 04:57:10 PM
A reminder of today's deadline...

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/313067

Fuck it, dude; let's go bowling.  ;D

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Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Caesar dude on October 21, 2011, 06:13:10 PM
It ain't over yet dudes.....We have 49 minutes left here in UK!  :(
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 21, 2011, 06:20:11 PM
It ain't over yet dudes.....We have 49 minutes left here in UK!  :(

Oh oh, duck and cover!!

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Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: hannahdude on October 21, 2011, 06:29:12 PM
Anyone else also feel a weird sense of dissapointment when these doomsdays predictions come and go? I mean, I'm not in any big hurry to vacate but I DO believe mother Earth deserves a long rest without any people on her, and being of the Dudeist/Buddhist/Zen mindset I try not to be overly attached to my, or any one things existance( try this being a parent, you will find yourself roundly fucked).
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Hominid on October 21, 2011, 06:33:42 PM
Well, biblically speaking, the day is finished when the sun goes down, and it's dark where I am.  The only fallout I could tell was a radio show that had a phone-in, asking people what they'd do if this was their last day on earth.  My fav: "I'd kiss my wife goodbye, I'd kiss my girlfriend goodbye, then I'd kiss my ass goodbye!"
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 21, 2011, 06:36:08 PM
Anyone else also feel a weird sense of dissapointment when these doomsdays predictions come and go? I mean, I'm not in any big hurry to vacate but I DO believe mother Earth deserves a long rest without any people on her, and being of the Dudeist/Buddhist/Zen mindset I try not to be overly attached to my, or any one things existance( try this being a parent, you will find yourself roundly fucked).

I'm not so sure that good ole' mother Earth is that pissed off at us yet. I think she is, however, saying "will you you just take it easy, man, I mean running around the planet pulling a piece out on the lane, just take it easy."

Hopefully, we'll be calm.
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Zen Dog on October 21, 2011, 07:12:21 PM
Damn.I missed it.If I'd have known I'd have got something in special.
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: apnp on October 21, 2011, 08:59:30 PM
Actually, it did infact occur.  This is just an after-image.
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Tao Dude on October 21, 2011, 09:06:22 PM
A buddy of mine put is so clearly to me one day. He asked me, What happens when you get sick? You get a cough, the shakes, and a fever, for the earth the cough is all these storms we've had, the shakes are earthquakes, and the fever is this hot ass weather. The earth is basically trying to purge itself of this virus ie us. The way he put it blew my mind I never thought of that.
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: apnp on October 21, 2011, 09:13:16 PM
On the other hand, I like the thought that viruses don't live in us, we live in viruses... and, of course, that what doesn't kill ya makes ya stronger.  Maybe we're just part of Gaia's self-improvement regimen.  ???
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 21, 2011, 09:33:14 PM
I'm gone.  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 22, 2011, 12:33:48 AM
Actually for the sake of splitting hairs those who flash Bibles on the lanes aren't Cristians. They are much more followers of the Jewish God who dug killing everyone who didn't agree with the people of God, just like their neighbours and just like the "Holy" Inquisition.
Is it the hot climate or just a matter of fundamentalism? They flash Thorah,Qumran and Bible, if the nomenclatures are correct, but they seem pretty much the same thing. We should flash TBL, or not. We should flash a J but that would get us arrested in many countries, fucking nihilists and reactionaries.

But I don't think JCD would have dug those Bible flashers, so calling them Christians is wrong. They call themselves Christians but they are not. Imho.  :D
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 22, 2011, 01:43:06 AM
Crap, I thought I was gone. Guess I'm not.  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 22, 2011, 03:06:58 AM
UPDATE: on the end, Oct. 21, 2011, 12:06AM PST.

OK, dudes, I'm still here and kicking. Couple of beers, a few bowling vids on YouTube. Just to mark the night, I decided to watch The Big Lebowski for the umpteenth time. Still a great flick and Maude has a great body!  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: cckeiser on October 22, 2011, 10:30:37 AM
is this....what day is it?
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: meekon5 on October 22, 2011, 11:29:19 AM
A reminder of today's deadline...

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/313067

For those of you who are H2G2 fans:

"Only The End Of The World Again" by Disaster Area (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Disaster-Area---Only-The-End-Of-The-World-Again.ogg) (I have the single somewhere, yes that is vinyl)
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Hominid on October 22, 2011, 01:30:07 PM
UPDATE: on the end, Oct. 21, 2011, 12:06AM PST.

OK, dudes, I'm still here and kicking. Couple of beers, a few bowling vids on YouTube. Just to mark the night, I decided to watch The Big Lebowski for the umpteenth time. Still a great flick and Maude has a great body!  ;D
Agreed, she does have nice mammary glands...
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: cckeiser on October 22, 2011, 03:26:28 PM
Are we still here dudes? I don't know dudes...this could all just be like an illusion. 8)
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: cckeiser on October 22, 2011, 05:55:01 PM


As a Christian...(snip)
~thinkingdude

You're a Christian!? That explains a lot! ;D
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: apnp on October 22, 2011, 06:52:58 PM
It's that damn magical thinking scripture thing again... i.e. the belief that there's absolutely not the slimmest chance the Bible is but a quasi-historical mythical construct, or that, when such a belief crops up, it is quashed without justified cause by the meme "Faith".  Do Progressive Christian Democrats open up this thought with their Republican friends, TD?  ::)

I know there's a group called Athiests For Jesus, ... is it within the realm of Christianity to have a more evolved group called Christians Against The Bible?  Or at minimum, Christians For A Freaking Radical Revision Of At The Very Very Very Least Deuteronomy and Leviticus? 


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Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Hominid on October 22, 2011, 11:43:29 PM


As a Christian...(snip)
~thinkingdude

You're a Christian!? That explains a lot! ;D
Oh ya... hugely.
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Hominid on October 22, 2011, 11:45:34 PM
APNP: it's fractured logic, but it'll do for now for the christians in this forum...
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 22, 2011, 11:49:19 PM
A reminder of today's deadline...

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/313067

For those of you who are H2G2 fans:

"Only The End Of The World Again" by Disaster Area (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Disaster-Area---Only-The-End-Of-The-World-Again.ogg) (I have the single somewhere, yes that is vinyl)

Classic!!  ;D(http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/classic/images/post/thumbup.gif)  "the loudest rock band in the known universe."
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 23, 2011, 12:02:13 AM
A reminder of today's deadline...

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/313067

Fuck it, dude; let's go bowling.  ;D

(http://lifeissavage.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/campingoct21.jpg)

As a Christian I can assure you that this fool is a lalse prophet and does not represnt my faith nor is of God. But according to the Bible one false prophesy makes him a false prophet. In which it entitles him to stoning in which I do not encourage due to my dudeism philosophy. That being said I wonder if I can chuck Bowling Balls instead of stones since I'm a Christian Dudeist.....

~thinkingdude

Geezzzz, no wonder he's hiding.  ;D


......by the way, wasn't the whole stoning thing in the Old Testament, not the New Testament, it was O.T. law as I recall? From my old Sunday school days I remember a story of Jesus dude stopping a hooker from getting the stoning treatment having been caught in zesty coitus by the self righteous town heat. Am I wrong, or just an asshole?
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: cckeiser on October 23, 2011, 12:05:50 AM
@ Thinking dude...I too am a christian...christian is my middle name...really! I was also baptized Roman Catholic as a new born...an as I said before...apparently Against my Fuckin Will!!
My advice to you sir is WAKE UP!! Wake the fuck up and free your mind from the brainwashing you have been put through all your life...
It took me most of 30 years to shake the last vestiges of the Church's mind fucking...i have been pissed as hell ever since!
Christ was NOT a Christian...he  was a Buddhist...he studied in India for two year with the Buddha..it's on the net...you can look it up.
But what you must comprehend is the Christian Faith is Evil...it is/was/and continues to be the most evil entity the world has ever known.
As long as you are under its influence you will be incapable on comprehension...but the god you serve is pure evil and has deceived you.
Get your mind free dude! 8)
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: cckeiser on October 23, 2011, 12:13:58 AM
It's that damn magical thinking scripture thing again... i.e. the belief that there's absolutely not the slimmest chance the Bible is but a quasi-historical mythical construct, or that, when such a belief crops up, it is quashed without justified cause by the meme "Faith".  Do Progressive Christian Democrats open up this thought with their Republican friends, TD?  ::)

I know there's a group called Athiests For Jesus, ... is it within the realm of Christianity to have a more evolved group called Christians Against The Bible?  Or at minimum, Christians For A Freaking Radical Revision Of At The Very Very Very Least Deuteronomy and Leviticus? 


(http://sabrinabresciani.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/science-vs-faith.png)

No dude...it's turtles all the way down dude...turtles all the way down! ;D
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Hominid on October 23, 2011, 01:35:42 AM
A little too tripped up on caffeine? Wow dude...

Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 23, 2011, 02:18:24 AM
@DB, no, you're right. They boarded JCD for this kind of behavior, he wasn't a nihilist zealot and was simply too cool for his time. The Old Testament is directly copied from the Jews and it's simply an excuse for slaying everyone who didn't agree with the Jews, much like what the Catholics did and what the Muslims do today.

@cckeiser, sorry, but you're a bit wrong. I don't really know how things go in other countries but here in Italy 90% of the people doesn't almost know what the Old Testament is and even in school usually we just stick with the New Testament, That is for the great majority of us Christianity starts and ends with the New Testament which is full of bs but also full of good stories, the so called parables. There is a baby in the muddy water.

Anyway Christians and fringe Catholics are two different things and it's offensive for Christians to be matched with that kind of paraquats. Also let's not forget that a real Christian is way too cool to be involved in that kind of things. They follow the JCD way and if it's true that he even let the nihilists kill him without throwing balls to them well, this is pretty understandable. They don't appear on tv and just try to live their lives as well as they can.

Mother Teresa was a Christian, can you compare her with those who call themselves Christians these days or in the past?

Also, you say that the Catholic Faith is the the most evil entity the world has ever known, wait ten years from now when Muslims will be the majority everywhere and see if you'll still think the same. They stone people still today.

Just my opinion though.  8)
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Zen Dog on October 23, 2011, 11:40:49 AM
Dudes,did you all buy PPI? Did you all get psychologicaly mugged? There appears to be a fair degree of uptightness taking place here.
Belief systems are just that.Enlighten up,take it easy.History/myth is history/myth.Is anyone currently pissing on your rug?Is there blood on the carpet?
The past is another country and some countries have still to catch up.Shit dudes,that's just the way it is.Nothing we can do,they have to come to it in their own time.
And please bare in mind dudes, that sometimes I am fucking pissed.
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Hominid on October 23, 2011, 01:21:13 PM
And to add to ZD's point, every religion has it's idiots and zealots who take things too far. Don't blame religion itself - blame the assholes who do the stoning, etc. I know people who aren't religious but are extremist in their own beliefs... religion just provides an easy excuse for asshole behavior...
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 23, 2011, 01:42:25 PM
Are we still here dudes? I don't know dudes...this could all just be like an illusion. 8)

I'm still here, so is my special lady friend.  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 24, 2011, 12:09:10 AM
And to add to ZD's point, every religion has it's idiots and zealots who take things too far. Don't blame religion itself - blame the assholes who do the stoning, etc. I know people who aren't religious but are extremist in their own beliefs... religion just provides an easy excuse for asshole behavior...

Perfectly correct, however there are religions in the world who has a much higher percentage of zealots than others; we have almost none, our Buddhists and Taoists compeer more or less the same, others have an 80% of zealots and fundamentalists. Might be it depends from where people live and not only from the specific religion. If a religion, however uptight it is, finds no asshole then it dies; if it finds assholes then it lives, like the one based on extraterrestrial things having an influence on human beings. I'm sure you know its name.
The problem, so to speak, is always the durned human nature; not that we have to accept everything submissively anyway. Imho :)
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: meekon5 on November 02, 2011, 06:58:07 AM
...wait ten years from now when Muslims will be the majority everywhere and see if you'll still think the same. They stone people still today.

Just my opinion though.  8)

They may end up the majority of people of faith (but never forget to count the Buddhists, just because they are not making much noise), but I truly believe that the vast majority of people will still be atheist.

Look at the seventy percent drop in those people claiming to be christian in Britain in the last census because of the humanist campaign (http://www.humanism.org.uk/campaigns/census-2011) to have the religion question better worded.

Remember it is the vast majority of people who are not making the noise that you should look to not the idiots getting in your face or shouting at the camera on the news, All IMHO of course
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on November 02, 2011, 01:11:26 PM
Actually, dude, the new correct nomenclature is imdo, in my dudely opinion.  :D

Well, it might be, but I guess the vast majority is spiritual and toward monotheistic religions than atheists, imdo. I've dabbled in humanism for a while but I received the impression that most of the times they are just copying other religions without having the intention to be religious. Like people is spiritual or religious so we try to be neither spiritual nor religious but at the same time copying, more or less, what spirituality and religions do. Like using margarine instead of butter. Imdo obviously. I find cooler to talk with buddhists, pagans and whatever but again, that's just my lane. Not that if there is a cool atheist I don't dig his style, only that it's pretty difficult to find a cool one, in the sense of not being uptight or having a limber mind.  8)

I agree that it's the vast majority of calm people which should be taken into account, but keep in mind also that it's because they are calm and quiet that assholes, criminals, paraquats, nihilists and real reactionaries are spreading everywhere. The good gardener takes away weeds as soon as possible before they spread and fuck up the whole garden. Also many times the silent majority is like a bunch of sheeps who just follow the prevalent wind. Not always but, well, you know.

As for Muslims I don't know there but here, quietly and calmly they are spreading everywhere and being that they have a bigger percentage of zealots than other religions, well, that's a problem. And given that a good muslim has the duty to help fellow muslims whatever they do it doesn't really matter the percentage. Probably there are enlightened muslim countries around the world but in most of them if you go around wearing different religious things you get kicked, usually in the head. At least that's what I know.

You can be quiet but it can happen that one day suddenly you find that your own little garden is no more yours.

Is there any muslim dude around the forum? I mean not someone who has changed his religion and later become muslim, someone born muslim who has later joined dudeism. Is there one around? Just curious.  8)
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: meekon5 on November 02, 2011, 01:14:07 PM
Actually, dude, the new correct nomenclature is imdo, in my dudely opinion.  :D

Oh that's what that is. That's been bugging me for weeks.

"imdo"

Didn't get that one at all. Must have been out of the playground whilst that was being talked about.
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Sailing Dude on November 02, 2011, 01:17:11 PM
As a wise man once told me a christian church is just a hospital for sinners that's why I hold my dudest church on our sailboat daily and partaque in daily sacriment so light one up folks.
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Hominid on November 02, 2011, 01:45:02 PM
As a wise man once told me a christian church is just a hospital for sinners that's why I hold my dudest church on our sailboat daily and partaque in daily sacriment so light one up folks.
If you're meaning to say that we're sinners just because the christian church says we are, well, there's lots of opinions that say otherwise!  Anyone else want to have a go at this one?
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: meekon5 on November 02, 2011, 01:57:53 PM
(http://www.adherents.com/images/rel_pie.gif)


As for Muslims I don't know there but here, quietly and calmly they are spreading everywhere and being that they have a bigger percentage of zealots than other religions, well, that's a problem.

After the fall of the USSR it became necessary to have a new bogeyman for the military to  blame and fight wars against so the munitions companies didn't loose any business.

Please remember that the scarf wearing Arabic fundamentalist muslim, that we see plastered across our TV screens and newspapers, actually only represents a minority, in fact a minority of a minority. Islam is mostly represented as an arab religion.

There are many Islamic states that are rarely shown on television.

(http://i.infopls.com/images/islamic_worldmap.gif)

We don't see Malaysia represented who have been part of The Organization of Islamic Conference since 1969. A very progressive state, westernised, but not a good image if you want to engender hate and war mongering.

And given that a good muslim has the duty to help fellow muslims whatever they do it doesn't really matter the percentage.

It's also the duty of a good muslim to obey his wife, to quote a good muslim friend of mine, who came from Casablanca, again a very under represented state.

Probably there are enlightened muslim countries around the world but in most of them if you go around wearing different religious things you get kicked, usually in the head. At least that's what I know.

Again not an experience I have had, but then we each live our lives differently.

And do remember that the CIA trained Bin Laden to attack the Russians in Afghanistan, then were surprised when he turned on them.

Is there any muslim dude around the forum? I mean not someone who has changed his religion and later become muslim, someone born muslim who has later joined dudeism. Is there one around? Just curious.  8)

This is a good question do we have any Dudeist Muslim who can comment please?

I just think one should be careful about the fact that though we feel free and believe we receive information that is balanced and unbiased we are only as free as we are allowed to be. (please watch "wag the dog (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120885/)")

All media is filtered. All media is controlled.

(better to be paranoid and to find they are not out to get you than not to be and find they are!)
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Sailing Dude on November 02, 2011, 01:59:42 PM
Do you go to a christian church every sunday or not ? or Do you hold your own meetings and partaque in a smoking sacriment and abide in the faith of Dudeism and forgiveness. Soo much negitive in modern christian churches has us looking for non-negitive folks to live like, Jesus was not negitive.
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: meekon5 on November 02, 2011, 02:03:03 PM
Do you go to a christian church every sunday or not ? or Do you hold your own meetings and partaque in a smoking sacriment and abide in the faith of Dudeism and forgiveness...

Um no!

Dudeism is an explanation of the way I have lived most of my life, a title I can finally give people like my family so they can stop asking what religion I am this week.
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Sailing Dude on November 02, 2011, 02:05:09 PM
Do you go to a christian church every sunday or not ? or Do you hold your own meetings and partaque in a smoking sacriment and abide in the faith of Dudeism and forgiveness...

Um no!

Dudeism is an explanation of the way I have lived most of my life, a title I can finally give people like my family so they can stop asking what religion I am this week.

I totally agree
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on November 03, 2011, 10:48:19 AM
M5, your answers are always well documented, and well thought. Even if I miss a bit Rev. Ed point of view. :) Anyway, very interesting picture, especially about Hinduism, well, at least they should be pretty open minded.

While I agree that news are fundamentally biased, no one talks about what's happening in Iceland and soon no one will talk anymore about Greece, real popular democracy is something to be avoided at all costs, the use of fear or enemies to control people, etc. my point is still that there are religions much more dangerous, or uptight, than the Christian one, even if in its Catholic form. I just don't like the every religion or non religion is good except the Christian one.

As for Islam actually I haven't yet read their sacred book but from what I know in reality women are usually just a step above dogs in many Islamic countries. Men can marry women from different religions after they've joined Islam because this way they spread Islam, women cannot leave Islam for other religions. It might be that there is freedom is Islam but I can't see it. That's why it would be interesting to hear the voice of a dude from an Islamic country. It might be that the kind of islamic religion we know here is different from the one in their own country.

But I wonder if even in the more enlightened countries other religions are allowed to have temples or similar place of worship as Muslims are allowed to have in the West.

Another interesting thing from your picture is how many different sects constitute Christianity. From a simple idea so many complicated churches. But that's human nature.

Also Sharia and genital mutilation are a feature of some Islamic branches who anyway say they're sticking to the Qumran. It might be that they are just crazy but I've never heard one of their church bosses say something against it. Or put a Fatwa against them.

But I also know that there are the Sufis, who are pretty cool about their point of view on religion and in fact from time to time they get beaten because they are too cool.

My point is not that Muslims are all bad but that there are other religions beyond the Catholic one and other mislead branches of Christianity who are as uptight and sometimes much more than Catholicism.

If Islam is not in reality as bad as it seems this certainly can be applied to almost every other religion, right? Even Catholicism and Christianity, probably not Scientology though. Imdo.  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: meekon5 on November 03, 2011, 11:41:23 AM
My point is not that Muslims are all bad but that there are other religions beyond the Catholic one and other mislead branches of Christianity who are as uptight and sometimes much more than Catholicism.

If Islam is not in reality as bad as it seems this certainly can be applied to almost every other religion, right? Even Catholicism and Christianity, probably not Scientology though. Imdo.  ;D


Andrea  I see what you are saying now.

As an aside if you look at the period when Sicily was actually Muslim (http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ab60#1853) during the dark ages (10th c to 11th c ce). It was actually more balanced and enlightened than it's Italian neighbour, allowing many people to freely practice their religions (even christianity).

But yes again we do sometimes appear to be very anti-christian here, that may be people working off their issues though.
;D

Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on November 04, 2011, 03:50:06 AM
Mmh, that's interesting Dude, I didn't see it under this light. Well, I'm probably working with my issues too. All the time.  ;D

Glad I've finally been able to be comprehensible, I should work more on my vocabulary. If it will ever happen again that I have a bit of free clams I should definitely come for holidays there, so you and Rev. Ed can give me some lessons, between beers of course. Guinness possibly. :)

You're perfectly right as regards Sicily, strange that even if they were waging wars against everyone they seemed to be more limber minded than today. I just don't understand why if the greatest majority of Muslims are good hearted people they don't say a word about their fundamentalist branches. I think they should. Every religion has its own zealots but usually they don't create as much damage. Oh well, the always durned human nature.

Not taking stances sometimes means digging or approving or at a minimum not caring about.

Imdo.  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: BikerDude on November 04, 2011, 09:23:44 AM
We can always hope they will be right one of these times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=186Hvzh6II4&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLF5E5E5DC392DE8F7
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Sailing Dude on November 04, 2011, 12:07:28 PM
I heard a story about the Bahamian religion that kind of our first cusion the Rastuman's ( I may have spelled it wrong ) they partaque in weed as there religion and some have moved back to Africa for there religion. Any one know about these folks?
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Caesar dude on November 04, 2011, 03:39:56 PM
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As for Islam actually I haven't yet read their sacred book but from what I know in reality women are usually just a step above dogs in many Islamic countries. Men can marry women from different religions after they've joined Islam because this way they spread Islam, women cannot leave Islam for other religions. It might be that there is freedom is Islam but I can't see it. That's why it would be interesting to hear the voice of a dude from an Islamic country. It might be that the kind of islamic religion we know here is different from the one in their own country.

I've read an English translation and the Hadiths that go with it...I lived in a muslim country for 10 years and watched as they went about their business under Shariah law for all that time.

Now I lived in Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates which by Muslim standards is a very liberal country but Shariah is Shariah...they don't do stoning there and even flogging is rare but can happen in extreme cases. Now while I don't necessarily agree with their punishments I have to say that crime is very very low and people certainly do think twice before breaking any law.

There is a Christian Church in Abu Dhabi which is a proper stone built building and the land on which it is sited was actually given to the Church by the then ruler Sheikh Zayed. So it is consecrated and non muslim. It is full every Sunday with Christian worshippers... mainly Filipino but other nationalities are represented and it is generally a British priest in residence.

As for this
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from what I know in reality women are usually just a step above dogs in many Islamic countries.

That is a very unfair and unjust statement. If you are refering to how the Taliban treat women then maybe it's accurate but most muslim countries cherish and revere their women folk. Sure, they have rules about how they dress...sure, there are traditions and customs that people follow and yes to the outside world it may look as though these women are downtrodden and repressed. However the truth is entirely different.

Rape is almost unheard of in Muslim society. Domestic violence although it does occur, has penalties so strict and so severe that it rarely happens. Indeed I know of one guy who was very very high up in Arab society (not a Sheikh but within the inner circle) that got drunk and then came home and beat his wife who was sent to jail for 4 years and was ostracised by his own family and not allowed to see his children again.

The Arab woman rules the household....behind closed doors it is she who makes the decisions and she who says who the man can and cannot see. It is the women in the house who decide what time he shall go to bed and how many children they shall have...believe me...the women are the powerhouses the men the puppets.

When there is a wedding there are two parties male and female....the women plot and plan and scheme....the men party!!!

I'm in no way saying that the Muslim way is the right way...but I do think people need to be a little bit more informed on what most Westerners perceive as an evil and unjust bunch of terrorists and misogynists....that simply ain't true dudes!

Peace



Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Hominid on November 05, 2011, 12:26:42 AM
Caesare dude: Your observations of Muslim culture may be different than the over-generalized version that western culture normally depicts, but dammit, those judgements exist for good reason. The countless acts of terrorism, honour killings, internationally exclaimed jihads... (read: Salman Rushdie et al)... Muslims constantly make news with their pissed-off attitude at the rest of the world. They make big news for good reason.
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Caesar dude on November 05, 2011, 06:09:03 AM
The IRA who were a Catholic based Christian organisation committed just as many outrages and terrorist acts in the name of the pope and God. They were the first terrorist organisation to insist that women and children were legitimate targets.

I agree with you over the the "terrorist" tag that we put on Muslims and why they are perceived that way.

Now if homeland security would just grow some balls then all they have to do to stop terrorism would be to ban all brown skinned turban and ghutra wearing individuals....cos clearly that is where the threat originates....fuck I'm rambling...it's too early in the morning...

Peace...
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on November 05, 2011, 07:07:16 AM
@CD

"Now while I don't necessarily agree with their punishments I have to say that crime is very very low and people certainly do think twice before breaking any law."

Sometimes punishment is too high, and sometimes it's none, Ghaddafi sons could do everything, but as a general rule you are right. If you know you're going be punished for real you get very careful. That's why here in the West crime spreads everywhere while there and also in Asia is pretty low. I don't know though if this applies to everyone or only in respect to Muslims. It works to keep crimes low but there are also too many crimes, like eating pork chops and drinking beer. :)

As for the rest CD you know better than me and first hand so I have to trust you.  8) But my opinion, beyond Talibans and similar paraquats was also based on how Muslim men behave here in Italy. Probably here in the bananas' republic of Italy no one watches over them and how they run their families. But I have the strong feeling that one thing is relating to other Muslims brothers and another thing rrelating to unbelievers, or non-Muslims.

Oh well, anyway thanks for the new notes dude.  ;D

As Hominid said though it might be that the great majority of Muslims are cool and righteous people but they almost never say a word about the uptight and reactionary paraquats between them.

The IRA, well, that's another story. It wasn't a matter of religion. But let's not go into that.  8)

Fucking A, dudes, this thread is pretty interesting and full of food for thoughts, am I wrong?
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Caesar dude on November 05, 2011, 09:07:30 AM
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The IRA, well, that's another story. It wasn't a matter of religion. But let's not go into that.

Oh hell yes it was about a fucking religion!!!!

A Catholic Religion...catholics v protestants....no hidden agendas! Try being brought up in a Protestant community as a Catholic....or going out with a protestant girl as a Catholic....

Or becoming a soldier as a Catholic....

How the fuck can you say that the IRA had nothing to do with religion....sheeeesh! ?
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on November 05, 2011, 02:42:12 PM
I thought it was about one country having invaded another one in the past and refusing to let the industrial part go with the rest of the country when Ireland freed itself. Something like Brits vs Northern Irish with religion being just an addition and not the main reason. 

Having not lived there I have to rely on external sources. 8)
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Hominid on November 06, 2011, 01:27:07 AM
I thought it was about one country having invaded another one in the past and refusing to let the industrial part go with the rest of the country when Ireland freed itself. Something like Brits vs Northern Irish with religion being just an addition and not the main reason. 

Having not lived there I have to rely on external sources. 8)
I've heard the same ... even religious people like Billy Graham who visited Ireland said the fighting was political, not religious. And as always, it's never *just* one or the other, likely a mix of the two. Very interesting discussion.

When considering this shit, we must think about the history and culture of the people and countries we talk about. For instance, the middle east is different in that religion and culture are one in the same. But, western culture separates them, thanks to the influence of Greek philosophy in its education. One kind of "stream" separates head and heart, the other doesn't. Explains many things. 

Interesting shit.
Title: Re: Anyone notice that the christians are still around?
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on November 06, 2011, 01:21:15 PM
Yeah Hominide dude, explains many things, Far out man.  8)