With his typically sophisticated voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an7TaDQ5Yo0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTdKxCz2FIQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CADoG-gu5Zk
So by this i would expect that you would not welcome a muslim to the explore the Dudeism should they be so inclined?
Since from outward appearances it looks like a place that anyone wanting to be in a non-dogmatic and relaxed place could be free of bigotry?
I AM abiding,
Christian Dude
It's not that a Muslim wouldn't be welcomed into Dudeism, it's more that once a Muslim embraces Dudeism in the eyes of Allah they are no longer welcome into Islam. Islam is pretty much an all or nothing set of ideals. All the practicing Muslims I know, regardless of how modern, still hold on to idea that Islam is the one truth and anything else is wrong. Live and let live, take it easy, go with the flow are all ideas that most traditional religions don't embrace. It's ingrained into the teachings to try and convert the nonbelievers so that really doesn't leave much room in people for more than one belief system.
Of course there are always exceptions to every rule but in general if I were to walk up to a group of Christians, Muslims, or Jews and tell them that I'm Dudeist 99% of them would try and convert me.
Too true ;)
No need to convert a Dudeist in my opinion though... I see it as just the way we choose to walk our paths... not a spiritual belief excluding others. So they can stay a Dude and add some Jesus should they so choose... My job is to show people the Dude Jesus was... not the uptight view people claiming to follow him project.
It's like saying a Hollywood director has to be Jewish, whether not if matters if your Doctor is a Hindu... Or plays tennis. Being a Dudeist is 'what' and 'how' you do things... the 'why' can be many things... as long as they lead to abiding.
QuoteMy job is to show people the Dude Jesus was... not the uptight view people claiming to follow him project.
Matthew 10:34, John 15:6, Luke 12:47 (slavery is very undude - just sayin').
In theory your ideas about it are good, the problem is that most religions take the my way or the highway approach when it comes to other religions. This is especially true with the big three Abrahamic religions, they all pretty much frown upon practicing other religions. After 3000 years of tradition most of them are pretty set in their ways, haha. Hell wouldn't it be something if Dudeism was the thing that could finally bring them all together? The common ground to end the centuries of conflict over whose version of the story is best. What a world that would be!
Quote from: Hominid on April 18, 2016, 09:30:34 PM
QuoteMy job is to show people the Dude Jesus was... not the uptight view people claiming to follow him project.
Matthew 10:34 (you are at conflict with me and apparently every other Christian... so bingo. And that is your choice...)
John 15:6 (Yep... but you don't buy that stuff... so abide in yourself and see how it pans out for you. But you can't... can you? Obviously.)
Luke 12:47
The Troll doth speak!
Only Luke 12:47 could be stretched to imply slavery in the context your attempting... and that was a parable about an intentionally negligent servant not an endorsement of slavery. Slavery is alive today in the USA... You have debt? You're a slave... Being a Bond-Slave (Doulos) is also a whole different ball of wax than an unwilling servant/slave (if you understand it). For a supposed former man of ministry...
Who cares if it's "__ way or the highway", in the context of Dudeism no one cares about the punchline. I have a belief about it... you have a Nihilist belief about it... Neither should matter between two Dudes who are walking the Abiding path. This is not a religion concerned with answering those questions or even sweating them. Have you not read the materials?
My post wasn't about your beliefs or mine, it was about the acceptance of our beliefs by other religions, which is what we were talking about in the first place. Yes I've read the materials and your constant insinuation that anyone who might disagree with you is somehow less informed or doesn't understand Dudeism is starting to become tiresome. You say you aren't trying to push your beliefs yet you seem to have this need for everyone to buy into them, and if they don't you just start talking down to them like you're the smartest guy in the room. What part of that is Dude? Coming in spouting off bible quotes and berating anyone that doesn't respond with amen is about as undude as it gets. What part of Hominid's post makes him a troll? The fact that he posted bible quotes that contradict your belief on Jesus? That doesn't really seem like trolling, it seems like a difference of opinion and if you are going to post in an open forum you should learn to accept ones that differ from yours. Since you insist on talking bible passages here are a few of my favorites:
?1 Timothy 2:11-15 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing?if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. Pfft Women, Am I right?
?2 Deuteronomy 2:33-2:34 33 the Lord our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. 34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed them?men, women and children. We left no survivors. Yeah get'em Moses, cleanse the non believers!
?1 Exodus 21: 20 Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. Eh, fair enough, right? But you're I can see how having modern day debt would be comparable.
Walk your path, co-exist, and make peace with the fact that not everyone is going to agree with your Christian ideals. People here disagree all the time about all sorts of different things and yet you seem to be the only one that has to resort to name calling and belittlement. Save that crap for your own website.
RandoRock: Thanks for the backup Randoman... This Christiandude is the troll, right? Spouting his BS. I've got almost 2,000 posts and he has about 45. Whose the troll? Laughable man. Bush league bullshit.
Christiandude: walking around here like a rooster with his chest puffed out isn't winning you any admiration or respect. In fact, we've seen your type come and go over the years, and just roll our collective eyes and sigh... "Here we go again". You'd gain a whole helluva lot more points if you'd tone down the bible/christ stuff, and do away with the haughty pride. It's a REAL turn-off.
Quote from: RandoRock on April 19, 2016, 12:12:13 AM
In theory your ideas about it are good, the problem is that most religions take the my way or the highway approach when it comes to other religions. This is especially true with the big three Abrahamic religions, they all pretty much frown upon practicing other religions. After 3000 years of tradition most of them are pretty set in their ways, haha. Hell wouldn't it be something if Dudeism was the thing that could finally bring them all together? The common ground to end the centuries of conflict over whose version of the story is best. What a world that would be!
I agree, as people have drawn influence from literally hundreds of religions to find meaning, or answers to life problems, without believing in the deity/ deities. Even the dalai lama, one of the most spirutual people of the world, looks to science for understanding, which does not compute to some faiths.
Wasn't religion born from a lack of explanation to the unexplained?, also, there wasn't the technological advances we have today, so the notion of interconnectedness, evolution and oneness with nature,was ridiculed by creationists (abrahamic, mostly).
The druids, shamans and other wise people from ages past, were labeled as witches and heretics for having different ways and beliefs, often hunted, tortured and killed for them.
If anything, practising dudeism, while "under the influence" of another faith, can be construed as idolatry.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry
The idea, that dudeism, or some form of spiritual humanist thing could be the best way to get past all the "my God is the best" crap, is far out indeed.
RandoRock: I did not quote or reply to your post... nor did I reference you. I have not once in anyway inferred anyone needs to buy into my beliefs or even really stated them... definitely have never promoted them here outside of wanting to reference them as they are referred to in Dudeism as a contributing and pre-dating source. What's getting tiresome is restating that... over... and over. My quotations are only made in reference to principles found in Dudeism... Like many other religions and philosophies I have seen quoted here.
"The fact that he posted bible quotes that contradict your belief on Jesus? That doesn't really seem like trolling, it seems like a difference of opinion and if you are going to post in an open forum you should learn to accept ones that differ from yours."Again... As per the information put out regarding Dudeism and my correspondence with the same, by the founder, I have not even reference my spiritual beliefs in any detail or my beliefs on Jesus, neither have I promoted them outside of their possible contributions to Dudeism. Only atheist antagonists have made efforts against the Christian faith here... I have not even belittled those in retaliation to numerous attempts at those who do so to me.
"Walk your path, co-exist, and make peace with the fact that not everyone is going to agree with your Christian ideals. People here disagree all the time about all sorts of different things and yet you seem to be the only one that has to resort to name calling and belittlement. Save that crap for your own website."Are you referencing my calling Hominid a Troll? Look up the definition...
QuoteIn Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.
his posts (and many others) are clear examples of that practice. He however has resorted to this: "Typical arrogant fuck."... sounds like he cast the first stone... Belittlement? Again... have you read the posts criticizing Theism and Christianity in particular? They abound.
"Since you insist on talking bible passages here are a few of my favorites:"Again... (so tiring) I have not made Biblical references in any attempt to assert my beliefs, put down others, or in any way stipulate how they should live their lives. i wouldn't wast my time here with that since almost no one here recognizes it as a point of reference for how they should live their lives or acknowledges it or its "author". Only antagonists (antagnostics... add that to the dictionary :)) have used the Bible to attack others or a belief system here in these forums during my time here. But since you insist on not understanding them I will address the ones you misused:
1 Timothy 2:11-15 You no what... forget it... Do your own home work(http://www.truthortradition.com/articles/should-women-be-silent-in-the-church-a-biblical-study-of-1-corinthians-1434-and-35 (http://www.truthortradition.com/articles/should-women-be-silent-in-the-church-a-biblical-study-of-1-corinthians-1434-and-35). I am not here to defend, explain, or promote the Christian faith (something people are not supposed to do here... or the inverse of attacking other faiths as is COMPLETELY EVIDENT TO BE OCCURRING. You people are not disagreeing with a post... or a comment... you are initiating criticism, ridicule, and putting down other beliefs... Figure that shit out... are you not able to comprehend the truth of this?
Hominid: Quote"Thanks for the backup Randoman... This Christiandude is the troll, right? Spouting his BS. I've got almost 2,000 posts and he has about 45. Whose the troll? Laughable man. Bush league bullshit."
"tone down the bible/christ stuff, and do away with the haughty pride. It's a REAL turn-off."
The abundance of your posts and the bigotry they illustrate.. do not serve to defend your position. Neither does the assertions you have made in them build any defense against my accusations... Your guilty as charged by an abundance of evidence.
What many of you are really bitching about is the fact that anyone is responding to your misconduct in any way other than consensus. Which is precisely what you are accusing me of (much to my amusement) doing. The critical problem with that false accusation is the fact that I have not initiated any posts asserting anything that any of you have disagreed with in promotion of Christianity or my views on it. YOU initiated unsolicited, off-topic, inflammatory posts against that faith (see definition of "Troll").
Dudeism, taken as it has been defined in its own writings, while technically a "Religion" for all intents and purposes in the loosely defined view of the US Courts, Tax regulations, and other administrative/regulatory bodies... is a "Way of Life" that neither accepts or rejects spirituality or other faiths.
Quote"All that proselytizing and converting, condemning and prosecuting, crusading and jihading that some of our compeers in the world's Big Beliefskis go through to feed the bull-dogma... well, it all just seems exhausting."
QuoteQ: Is there a God in Dudeism?
A: Like Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism, Dudeism is a non-theistic religion. That isn?t to say Dudeists necessarily don?t believe in God or a godlike power in the universe, only that passing judgment on this issue is not one of Dudeism?s goals. Like the Eastern religions just mentioned, Dudeism is interested in the here and now, not the there and then. The Dudeist objective is to make our lives more pleasant and meaningful to ourselves and each other.
QuoteDudeism, on the other hand, takes the essential messages of all the world religions and simplifies them, purging them of all their dogma and superstitions, leaving only the easygoing, useful and fortifying parts. Moreover, one can be a Dudeist and still remain a Christian, or a Buddhist, or a Hindu, etc. Dudeism isn?t a strict system ? it?s more of a method of living, a state of mind. In order to keep your mind limber, Dudeism needs to remain limber as well.
I have been in complete alignment with these things... I am not (again) referencing, promoting, or otherwise even bringing up Christianity outside of what lends itself to Dudeism. Anything else you are bringing to the table is your own mess of private interpretation, reading between the lines, and other reactionary crap you've emotionally projected onto me. I am simply not 'abiding' this 'aggression that will not stand' that you guys are putting out that does not align with the Dudeist philosophy.
QuoteQ: Is Dudeism a real religion?
A: Although Dudeism makes use of a lot of humor and satire, we are totally serious in our belief that it is ?the religion for its time and place.? Or, we?re as serious as anyone can be about a ?belief.? One of the core tenets of Dudeism is that everything is ?just, like, your opinion, man? and so everything has to be up for debate. Unlike other religions, we?re open to suggestions. In this way, Dudeism could be considered an ?open source religion.? We invite other people to tell us what they think is ?dude? or ?undude.?
I am calling "undude" opinions (often presented as truths/facts) circulating and being promoted on this forum... That in the most obvious way go against many of the above quoted Dudeist references. There is no way to state 'my opinion' any more succinctly and supported by the references I made.
Quote from: Hominid on April 19, 2016, 11:35:19 AM
RandoRock: Thanks for the backup Randoman... This Christiandude is the troll, right? Spouting his BS. I've got almost 2,000 posts and he has about 45. Whose the troll? Laughable man. Bush league bullshit.
Christiandude: walking around here like a rooster with his chest puffed out isn't winning you any admiration or respect. In fact, we've seen your type come and go over the years, and just roll our collective eyes and sigh... "Here we go again". You'd gain a whole helluva lot more points if you'd tone down the bible/christ stuff, and do away with the haughty pride. It's a REAL turn-off.
I'm happy to back you up, Man. This guy is pulling on my inner Walter something fierce, probably more than I should let him but he is taking all the worst parts of Christianity (something I hate) and throwing them all over Dudeism (something I love) so it's hard to just sit quietly while that happens.
ChristianDude: Actually you did reference me with your "__way or the highway" comment so I'm really sure what the fuck you're talking about when you say you didn't. All I'm going to say is this, if everyone in the room is telling you that your the problem...maybe your the problem.
Quote from: RandoRock on April 19, 2016, 04:44:08 PM
Quote from: Hominid on April 19, 2016, 11:35:19 AM
RandoRock: Thanks for the backup Randoman... This Christiandude is the troll, right? Spouting his BS. I've got almost 2,000 posts and he has about 45. Whose the troll? Laughable man. Bush league bullshit.
Christiandude: walking around here like a rooster with his chest puffed out isn't winning you any admiration or respect. In fact, we've seen your type come and go over the years, and just roll our collective eyes and sigh... "Here we go again". You'd gain a whole helluva lot more points if you'd tone down the bible/christ stuff, and do away with the haughty pride. It's a REAL turn-off.
I'm happy to back you up, Man. This guy is pulling on my inner Walter something fierce, probably more than I should let him but he is taking all the worst parts of Christianity (something I hate) and throwing them all over Dudeism (something I love) so it's hard to just sit quietly while that happens.
ChristianDude: Actually you did reference me with your "__way or the highway" comment so I'm really sure what the fuck you're talking about when you say you didn't. All I'm going to say is this, if everyone in the room is telling you that your the problem...maybe your the problem.
Whoa! Give me one example of:
Quotehe is taking all the worst parts of Christianity (something I hate) and throwing them all over Dudeism (something I love)
You are delusional... Please... give me an example of something I have posted that represents "the worst parts of Christianity"... Or even Christianity for that matter (outside of referencing Dudeism supporting things). I have
very intentionally not referenced Christian doctrine, in and of itself, in a very methodical manner to stay within the bounds of Dudeism and its lack of interest in things meta-physical.
i won't beat this horse any more... You have nothing to complain about regarding me pushing anything about Christianity on this board that anyone can object to outside my assertions (drawn directly from Dudeist materials) that it has contributions and aspects that support Dudeism. Burden of proof is on you if your claiming otherwise. The world can see what happens here and it will reflect on Dudeism. We are the face of it. I am being forced to defend Dudeism stated position on other religions and belief systems and that it (and what should be it's participants) doesn't abide attacking them... Or even care about their beliefs regarding Deities, afterlife, or other meta-physical meanderings (none of which I am promoting or even mentioning).
You just don't like the fact that someone who is a Christian sees any value, or has any interest in Dudeism, and promoting it in the context of contributing to a better Christian walk is actively here and calling "undude" on the unchecked aggression that has been allowed to 'abide' here. You are of the 'opinion' that it is not possible for a Christian to be a Dude if they are actually a Christian... and offended that anyone is saying there is anything Dude-like about Christianity or Jesus. I haven't even begun to make those references (I made one forum topic/post).
You are creating an image of who I am, what I do or do not believe, and what I am doing here that simply does not exist... The very definition of a "knee-jerk" reaction. While attributing to me the very actions that others are guilty of here on this forum. In effect saying... Christians are not welcome if they have a problem with people bashing their belief system here ro in any way referencing theirs (even in the context of Dudeism).
QuoteAll I'm going to say is this, if everyone in the room is telling you that your the problem...maybe your the problem.
All I'm going to say is this, if everyone in the room is telling me that I'm the problem... maybe I am the only Christian in the room and everyone else is a God-hating hypocrite that doesn't really practice what Dudeism preaches regarding other faiths and the fact that others are welcome and included in Dudeism. I am not trying to appear to be the smartest guy in the room as you have said... I just tend to not look like the dumbest... and those making assertions of opinions as facts or attempting to bait me, don't fair to well when I respond.
QuoteAll I'm going to say is this, if everyone in the room is telling me that I'm the problem... maybe I am the only Christian in the room and everyone else is a God-hating hypocrite
Now you're a martyr. Too funny. (I saw it coming...) So no, we're not god-hating hypocrites. Just you saying that puts you squarely in the midst of atheist-hating, reactionary bible thumpers. Sorry, but it's a pattern we see in this'a here forum...
Quotethat doesn't really practice what Dudeism preaches regarding other faiths and the fact that others are welcome and included in Dudeism.
There's lots of other faiths represented by various Dudeists, but the ones that get along aren't zealots. Your finger-pointing and judgements are really getting tiresome. Your words say you're doing nothing but practicing Dudeism, but your emotional reactions say otherwise. In spades.
Ah Fuck it! *slides on shades*
Fucken eh. 8)
Assertions devoid of supporting evidence... your good at those. Not addressing anything... also your forte.
My "finger-pointing and judgments" are coming from observations of the content of your posts... not my faith. In fact any assertions you make regarding my faith are also pointless since I have not introduced them in any substance in this forum.
My 'reactions' have been point-by-point in addressing you... hardly emotional or reactionary... in fact you have previously praised me on that point.
Quote from: Hominid on April 09, 2016, 10:35:00 PM
QuoteAs far as the quotes... that is just my personal strongest source of WFTO and frame of reference for my Dudeism. Movies come in as a close second:)
Just for clarification please: in your world view, which comes first - Dudeism, or Christianity? Simple question, and... I'm not baiting you, so a simple answer would be appreciated. Your posts are well articulated and non-reactive/emotional.
Your place in not defensible in regards to your posts and my observations. If there is a consensus among forum members that they are... then it only speaks to the bias of members Dudeism attracts... nothing more... and it is in no way a surprise. Who else would come to a counter-religion? I also expect the average "member" to be intelligent and logical in their conclusions based on what they have observed (not necessarily what is true... mind you). And I respect people who have at least a pre-tense of reasoning and knowledge in their conclusions. It's why I see value in Dudeism.
Where have I thumped a Bible regarding anyone else? I don't carry enough pearls for that :P And it would be contrary to... (frik'n dead horse again... able to read anyone?)
The pattern in this forum is clearly people like you... (Dead Horse content... try to comprehend it maybe)
QuoteThere's lots of other faiths represented by various Dudeists, but the ones that get along aren't zealots.
You mean the ones who are afraid to be ostracized for not agreeing with you? I've been messaged by some of those. And again (more dead horse meat)... where have I ever pushed my 'faith'? You got nothing... My observations of anti-theist trolling and bigotry are however without question. My responses have always been narrowly addressing yours.
Is the fact that I am addressing them "Undude" maybe in the strictest sense (I am not a do nothing kind of Dude)... But so is the fact you posted them in the first place. I am just making sure that your posts are not the only voice of Dudeism on its views of other religions (particularly Christianity) and whether or not your commentary and manner are representative or condoned by Dudeism or at the very least according to the publicly released views it espouses in its materials. Don't worry... I'll be sure to share the overall tone of how that plays out among its members here to the public. You'll get lots more anti-theists looking for haven and most faith oriented people will at least be forewarned of the false representation of Dudeism's philosophy regarding other religions and whether or not their adherents are welcome by the community. Which they apparently are if they keep their mouths shut when you attack them.
It's funny how people think they can just say and do whatever they want in today's world... where what they say and do can gain a global audience in an instant. Does Dudeism have a PR guy?
Abiding (I cannot care less what you believe... just don't ridicule others for theirs)
8)
BTW I apologize... Atheists don't hate God... they don't believe... Anti-Theists do... in their regard to religions.
Um, what day is this?
Go ahead Hominid. You've lost most credibility with me regarding your practice of Dudeism and have shown your inability to acknowledge basic reasoning regarding my complaints... Basic courtesy really.
Don't launch unprovoked campaigns against other peoples beliefs in a place dedicated to taking it easy and pondering their positive influence or potential contributions to Dudeism. Too simple... To reasonable... Too Dudely to argue with.
But 21 out of 24 threads can't abide that... dead to rights... plain unbiased observation. I am more Dude than you in at least this.
Go for it homonid dude, the power of Christian dude compels you. #megalolz.
Folk will argue over anything in here.
Well it seems clear that Christian dude has come here to educate us all in the ways of dudeism. Personally I missed the star that announced his coming.
But of course in typical Christian fashion he is just a humble servant who happens to be in possession of the absolute undeniable truth.
He means it damn it. What is wrong with all you people?!
Don't you understand?! He has people skills!
Quote from: BikerDude on April 20, 2016, 09:32:26 AM
Well it seems clear that Christian dude has come here to educate us all in the ways of dudeism. Personally I missed the star that announced his coming.
But of course in typical Christian fashion he is just a humble servant who happens to be in possession of the absolute undeniable truth.
He means it damn it. What is wrong with all you people?!
Don't you understand?! He has people skills!
BD! I was wondering when we'd hear from you. Personally, I'm done. (For now anyway). You have the torch now.
I was waiting for it too...
Since you operate like a pack of wolves (imagery a BikerDude (and from your site Hominid) would appreciate).
"There are Wolves. There are Sheep. I am the Sheepdog."
In typical 'Anti-Theist' fashion... you're still nipping at my heals and attempting to continue dragging faith into your trolling. I am stating the 'absolute undeniable truth' regarding your forum activities and the fact that they constitute the very unwanted actions you fear from Christians (as previously noted by others among this community in 'Icon'ic times past). And yes... I am re-educating you in some basic concepts regarding Dudeism and it's relation and/or non-concern with certain aspects other religions concern themselves with and the fact that that allows those having other core faiths to Abide in Dudeism. <Bring in the new horse please...>
QuoteA: Like Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism, Dudeism is a non-theistic religion. That isn?t to say Dudeists necessarily don?t believe in God or a godlike power in the universe, only that passing judgment on this issue is not one of Dudeism?s goals. Like the Eastern religions just mentioned, Dudeism is interested in the here and now, not the there and then. The Dudeist objective is to make our lives more pleasant and meaningful to ourselves and each other.
QuoteWe invite other people to tell us what they think is 'dude' or 'undude.'
I have not engaged in the promotion or even the defense of the Christian faith... merely the freedom and opportunity for it to be allowed to have representation in its contributions to Dudeism free of trolling attacks from other faiths and Anti-Theists. I guess this is frustrating for you guys hoping to attack a belief system. By all means keep up the heel nipping... it continues to give credibility to my sensible criticism.
Maybe we should ask The Dudely Lama to alter the definition of Dudeism... Something like:
QuoteDudeism is a anti-theistic religion. That isn't to say Dudeists necessarily don't believe in God or a godlike power in the universe, only that passing judgment on this issue is one of Dudeism's goals.
To be more in keeping with the tendencies of its 'Priesthood'
Sincerely,
Quote from: Hominid on April 20, 2016, 01:12:44 PM
Quote from: BikerDude on April 20, 2016, 09:32:26 AM
Well it seems clear that Christian dude has come here to educate us all in the ways of dudeism. Personally I missed the star that announced his coming.
But of course in typical Christian fashion he is just a humble servant who happens to be in possession of the absolute undeniable truth.
He means it damn it. What is wrong with all you people?!
Don't you understand?! He has people skills!
BD! I was wondering when we'd hear from you. Personally, I'm done. (For now anyway). You have the torch now.
You are always lurking nearby.
They say that trolls (the mythological creatures that live under bridges. Not the forum variety) are drawn by the smell of Christian blood. Gotta love them ugly bastards. They are like Lemme.
You always show when the Christians start ranting. Funny that. Ha?
For good reason methinks.
Edit: you saying it's a good thing or a bad thing?
No blood here... Not likely to be. You're hitting wind. Your posts are starting to look like you've imbibed too much... for posting anyway:)
It would be interesting to see what two obviously intelligent people might contribute if they didn't waste their time and efforts putting others down... and trying to score anti-theist brownie points for the afterlife :)
Quote from: ChristianDude on April 20, 2016, 10:57:30 PM
No blood here... Not likely to be. You're hitting wind. Your posts are starting to look like you've imbibed too much... for posting anyway:)
It would be interesting to see what two obviously intelligent people might contribute if they didn't waste their time and efforts putting others down... and trying to score anti-theist brownie points for the afterlife :)
Well you've gotten to a point that you are difficult to understand but I'll say that nobody that I can see has put anybody down except you.
This is the reaction that we have seen before from Christians. Conflating the criticism of beliefs with a personal injury. Playing the hurt card.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ-xK_PEDgc
Quote from: ChristianDude on April 20, 2016, 10:57:30 PM
No blood here... Not likely to be. You're hitting wind. Your posts are starting to look like you've imbibed too much... for posting anyway:)
It would be interesting to see what two obviously intelligent people might contribute if they didn't waste their time and efforts putting others down... and trying to score anti-theist brownie points for the afterlife :)
So what makes you so intelligent compared to the rest of us? Is there some form of Dudeist theology that we can take?
Quote from: BikerDude on April 21, 2016, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: ChristianDude on April 20, 2016, 10:57:30 PM
No blood here... Not likely to be. You're hitting wind. Your posts are starting to look like you've imbibed too much... for posting anyway:)
It would be interesting to see what two obviously intelligent people might contribute if they didn't waste their time and efforts putting others down... and trying to score anti-theist brownie points for the afterlife :)
Well you've gotten to a point that you are difficult to understand but I'll say that nobody that I can see has put anybody down except you.
This is the reaction that we have seen before from Christians. Conflating the criticism of beliefs with a personal injury. Playing the hurt card.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ-xK_PEDgc
I think he's just a troll sitting at home in his parents basement bored
I can't wait for my next beer
Quote from: Hominid on April 20, 2016, 10:22:57 PM
For good reason methinks.
Edit: you saying it's a good thing or a bad thing?
On this my inner dude rules.
It's all good.
Well dude, it's been boring here for a while other than chatter about primaries, which I don't understand other than watching Trump being a circus clown. ChristianDude has been the best one yet, no?
Quote from: Hominid on April 21, 2016, 07:30:27 PM
Well dude, it's been boring here for a while other than chatter about primaries, which I don't understand other than watching Trump being a circus clown. ChristianDude has been the best one yet, no?
It was a new approach.
Leveraging dudeism to stifle free expression.
I mean the stifling of all criticism of Christianity is not new but he seems to be saying that it is out of bounds for dudeists. OK it may be undude but being undude is not undude. Even the dude is sometimes undude. And that's cool man. Some things just will not stand man. The dude minds man.
Fucking perfect.
I wonder what the record is for most uses of 'dude' In a single post.
Quote from: BikerDude on April 21, 2016, 07:48:50 PM
It was a new approach.
Leveraging dudeism to stifle free expression.
I mean the stifling of all criticism of Christianity is not new but he seems to be saying that it is out of bounds for dudeists. OK it may be undude but being undude is not undude. Even the dude is sometimes undude. And that's cool man. Some things just will not stand man. The dude minds man.
That was my favorite part of all this, using Dudeism as a way to censor Dudeists. It's brilliant really but Christianity has 3000 years practice censoring people so they've gotten quite good at it by now.
RandoRock, Hominid, BikerDude, Liam... I am w/o words.
Free Expression walks a fine line sometimes with Libel, hate speech, and in moderated forums (some exist)... acceptable conduct.
Your hiding behind the pretense of free speech to evangelize anti-theism. And you didn't accidentally trip and make a post in the forum "Under the Influence"... So the fact that you made those posts "to sow discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement."
All other smoke and bull and other considerations aside... You guys practically wrote that definition. If you don't see or acknowledge that... "Fuck it"
FYI Liam... I am retired US Army (last year), Grad Student, sitting at home when not working on businesses and websites, with a wife and 5 kids... Thanks to many of you for funding my Pay Checks! But I can see where you would be tempted to envision me the way you did... give or take the age of many on this forum... they probably are living at home with their mothers... not that that's a bad thing if they are taking care of them in their old age:) I know Hominid fit my mental picture perfectly :) I dig the awesome Dude look he has going on... Not kidding at all 8)
OMD! BikerDude I could write a whole freak'n book on putting down others from the posts you have initiated alone! HAHAHAHAHA! You really did make me laugh on that one. At least you have been honest many times in saying you are amused by your efforts in belittling others Theistic views. It really doesn't take much digging to establish your MO. And I do enjoy reading many of your post for varied reasons and appreciate some of your clever turns... BUT FOR THE LAST TIME... Not when they are off-topic and especially Counter-Topic to where they are posted. That is my primary opinion... since no one of any matter backs me up on that... that's all I got... an opinion that is completely overwhelmed by a consensus of like-minded (bias) individuals. "being undude is not undude"? Your logic is astounding... Is the rule of double negatives being applied to this?
Don't read into my words... If I want to make a point clear... it is... that was my specialty. Putting your Anti-Theist BS in some other forum made for it is not censorship... It's keeping the integrity of the forums organization so people find what they are looking for when they choose to explore it based on the descriptions given. Too frik'n simple isn't it? You don't see me running all over the place giving two sheets about any of this crap in any other forum section do you? No... You don't. (99% sure about that anyway... I did dig around when I first arrived here)
Regarding my criticism of the posts themselves... My apparent 'opinion"... You all keep trying to expand this into a "Christians" vs "Whatever you call yourselves" issue and ignore the fact that no matter what group this crap is aimed at... it is Undude. And yes
Liam... with a number of Books, Sites, Articles, and Interviews... There frik'n is a loosley defined official stance on 'Dudeist Theology' that can and WILL be held up as a standard when people look at Dudeism in contrast to what we do and how we present ourselves (which LITERALLY IS representing Dudeism)
I just got this recently in the Letter of Good Standing...
QuoteAs a minister, preacher and official representative of our worldwide faith we ask that you recognize the Reverend's authority...
I am sure this scares or appalls many of you since I am a Christian... But I am abiding in the role as touching Dudeism. I have a line my 'TOE' doesn't cross... And a huge part of that is all the stuff I have quoted directly from Dudeism regarding my treatment (especially for the world to see and judge Dudeism by) of other world views. Those secure in their own and abiding do not need to attack others... even IF (I say especially if) there goal is to evangelize.
This is supposed to be fun... a bit tongue in cheek... but some real 'Truth' actually does abide in Dudeism in regards to a better way to walk through life... It goes sour fast when hate, disrespect, derision, and the like shows through to be at people core. And I would say the same thing in defense of any 'World View' that is accepted here.
If you can't share this 'point of view'... try taking off the 'this guy is a dumb theist and thinks we are picking on him' tinted glasses and reading my posts again. I am not here promoting Theism... Yes my name is 'Christian' Dude... According to 'Biker' Dude... I don't fit that bill anyway (not a trinitarian). Half the people here are "Something"Dude... Based on whim, irony, or personal interests. It's part of their 'Dudeism'... Might be hard not to "knee-jerk' someone if they came in here as 'Nazi' Dude I suppose... But would that be tolerated here? Not so sure... been some genocide and murder talk here and there regarding certain patriarchs... Taking out one that birthed two whole ethnicities and several 'world views' could be construed as a surgical genocide...
QuoteI am not here promoting Theism...
This is where you have blinders on. Being overtly christian *IS* promoting theism. Outsiders see no difference between the two, simply because one wouldn't exist without the other. Some snippets of some of your posts:
Quote
Abiding in Christ,
Christian Dude
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
...also...
QuoteMy intent as a Dudeist Priest who abides in Christ is to simply promote the Dudeliness of my Lord (not God) Jesus Christ
Finally...
Quote
In other words... I am not here (in this forum) to lay out Theism or evangelize as a Christian (I can do that if I choose on my own site... This site is for Dudeism)... but to promote Jesus and First Draft Christianities contributions as they align with being a Dudeist (let me know if I cross that line:)
... you asked us if you crossed the line, so we responded.
I'll give you the first one. But your assertion of
QuoteBeing overtly christian *IS* promoting theism. Outsiders see no difference between the two, simply because one wouldn't exist without the other.
While at a basic and literal level being 'ChristianDude' is an outward statement of where I am coming from... So what? I hate repeating things so much... "___ Dude" names abound on this board and run the gambit of lifestyle, humor, and even 'world views'... I can't help it if you chose Hominid to express yourself:)
I think that was one of my first few posts and it was only aimed at illustrating the capacity for people to wrongly interpret/divide. But a deity was mentioned:)
The second... No. I am pretty sure that's the whole point of a Christian even bothering with Dudeism and the stance of its founders... there is Dudeness to be had... that forum thread is where it's supposed to get discussed.
But thanks.
You crossed the line, but your false humility about wanting to know if you did is just a thinly veiled attempt to keep us engaged, because, well, you still think we're all bigoted assholes. So, just because you think everyone else criticizing you are wrong, and you right, doesn't make it so. Doesn't matter what fucking thread you're in dude, now you're sounding all dogmatic we're not using the right room in which to argue... *Sigh*
Quote from: Hominid on April 22, 2016, 07:34:56 PM
You crossed the line, but your false humility about wanting to know if you did is just a thinly veiled attempt to keep us engaged, because, well, you still think we're all bigoted assholes. So, just because you think everyone else criticizing you are wrong, and you right, doesn't make it so. Doesn't matter what fucking thread you're in dude, now you're sounding all dogmatic we're not using the right room in which to argue... *Sigh*
No... I don't think you're all bigoted assholes... If that were the case (still being determined 😉) I wouldn't waste any time conversing with you or looking at your web pages. And my primary point from nearly the beginning was that you were "carpet bombing" a thread with trolling negativity. A separate issue entirely from what your doing. And one that I never considered would be so hard to gain support in. Too easy... Don't piss on other people's 'world views' in a thread meant to tie it together in its influence on Dudeism. It is very hard to resist belittling when this simple concept and courtesy seems so hard for people to grasp.
Can you comprehend or see anything I have said as reasonable or agree on any level? *Sigh* and *shaking head*
My humility is not false. Ask ForumDude and a few others... I have reached out regarding what my proper conduct should be and how to best abide here in an obviously potentially hostile environment. That's why I am even bothering to appeal to you and the community.
I am not a random dude who just for shits and giggles signed up for ordination in a slapstick religion based on a quirky movie. I think it has merit in and of itself, something to aid me in my 'world view' as a Christian, and something to aid others wherever they are at. So yes... I have an Agenda... promote Dudeism and the idea Christians can do it.
I will repeat.
Criticising Christianity is no more putting people down than criticising supply side economics. If someone took that sort of criticism as a personal insult it would be seen as absurd. But Christians just like Muslims are simply incapable of prcieving any criticism of their faith as anything other than a personal attack.
I will repeat.
Criticizing Christianity does not personally insult me (but most people don't just insult Christianity... they call names and make character assumptions, etc)... Your inability to abide by forum topics however is pretty annoying. I would be just as annoyed if I was looking in a forum thread about "Why suicide isn't the answer" and some ____ started 80% of the Threads with the subject being "Suicide is the answer... 101 ways to pull it off". Your analogy of a completely impersonal business process to a religion is simply absurd... religion, politics, 'lifestyle' choices...are extremely personal and apt to chap peoples assess. But I suppose econ nerds might feel the same too...
If people want to see your posts about how stupid you think Christianity is or how harmful you think it can be... or whatever your Anti-Theist rants and agendas you want to promote... THE LAST FUCKING PLACE THEY WOULD LOOK is a forum section entitled "The Jesus: There was a lot that was very Dudeish about Christianity's original, uncompromised first draft."! If you can't get that shit... __________________ long enough to clear your head and check the condition of your condition because you are one thick headed dude.
Did that satisfy your Troll desire to exasperate someone with what appears to be an inability to understand simple freak'n concepts? Gotta give you a win somewhere.
Stop trying to redirect and degenerate into your Anti-Theist counter accusations of Christians feeling butt-hurt about being criticized. I'd expect nothing less here in spite of the lofty assertions of what Dudeism is trying to project... in a VERY uphill battle with members like you working hard to tear those ideals down... or at the VERY least apply them selectively to exclude beliefs you don't dig.
I am feeling like you are personally attacking me in my ability to convey simple concepts in my primary language ;D
Come to think of it... *Looking around at thread*
I didn't realize that Islam was a contributing influence to Dudeism as the location of this forum thread might imply either?
Hmmm.
Why don't you just try and flood the forum with all the pro Christian topics you can come up with? You post what you want, we'll post what we want and the world will just keep on spinning. A lot of the posts you are criticizing for their unchristian content are from before you ever got here; so instead of wandering in during the middle of all these conversations you view as negative why not just start your own with the messages that you wish to convey? If you want to use this forum for a specific purpose then do so through your own actions instead of trying to change the actions of others.
Since you like quotes so much:
"be the change you want to see in the world"
"Live and let live."
"Start with the man in the mirror, ask him to change his ways."
You're being a Walter in a room full of Dudes and you are in-fact the only one around here that gives a shit about the rules.
Lemme guess... He's going to dissuade you with quotes about how you're not following the tenants of dudeism, and not using the right forum.
Maybe more, but we'll start with that.
Oh I know, I'm well beyond the point where I think there is even the slightest chance anything I say to him will register but I am nonetheless going to keep trying because I'm on a boring post at work and I have nothing better to do.
Unlike you... I am not going to resort to the lesser tactics of those I do not agree with.
And no, you're not going to "register" to me when you're wrong. That's a done deal regarding at the very least the 'where' you choose to vent your version of abiding with others. Have at it... don'the troll it off topic like a Paraquat... if you still don't get that... "Fuck it"... really... I don't argue with my youngest kids either. I don't moderate here, pay the server bill... I presented my points. Nothing else to do but proceed on my path and abide with those I can ☺
BikerDude is the superior in his reasoning at the very least among the 3-4 key players. And I can respect that.
*deleting old posts*
Which one of my tactics was lesser? Which one of Hominid's? All anyone has done is call you out on your own bullshit. Even in your last post you contradict yourself by saying you don't control anything and telling others where they should and shouldn't post. Get over yourself, Man. People have been saying what they want, where they want to say it long before you arrived. That shouldn't change because one person wanders in and has his feelings hurt.
I have not seen you post one positive topic about Christianity since you've been here, it's all been just one long fight on other topics you deem wrong. You could have easily just started posting topics that support your own views on the subject but instead you chose to tell everyone else why they are wrong. Anyone that goes against what you believe is an automatic troll, undude, doesn't understand the materials, or is younger and therefore lesser than you in someway, and you think we're the ones that use lesser tactics?
I have to ask, where you an officer? You just seem like the type that would make Soldiers salute you in passing at the PX.
Wow RandoRock...
You sound like Hilary now... you were actually the last to comment on the thread I started in "The Jesus" forum subsection, "Be there, man". Did you forget that? And I dare say, perhaps unread by you at this time... I have included some very positive things within my various 'essays'.
Has anyone seen this:
https://www.facebook.com/PeopleForBernie/videos/1767569620129911/
Her and Bill have made millions selling memoirs for two people who cannot recollect anything... lol. (I am not a Bernie supporter disclaimer... this is just where I found the video)
But yes...Your right RandoRock. Too much time wasted... it's all out and pretty clear and ad nauseam. That's all anyone can ask whether or not other people agree.
As far as my military service is concerned. No... I declined to be a Warrant Officer... Was an NCO. Basic at Fort Benning, AIT at Fort Bragg for a total of 2 years in training, then more training at Fort Meade... assigned to a unit at Fort Bragg for 6 years... 5 tours in Afghanistan... last assignment in Hawaii for 5 years. Most of my time spent in units and places where saluting was 'undude' 8) Full Retirement and I still have all my arms and legs!
Like Hillary? So much for civilized discussion. Truth be told you are correct, I forgot about that one instance due to it being...well one instance. My only point in all this was if you want to post positive things about Christianity then you should do so without trying to tell others they cannot have a different opinion. It shouldn't matter if the last 20 topics where negative, it shouldn't matter if I disagree with everything you say, it shouldn't matter if there isn't one single nice thing about Christianity on this whole site. Yet for some reason all of this matters to you. Why? What reason do you have for jumping on to each post and trying to prove them wrong? Why can't you just accept that others have a different opinion than you and worry about your own beliefs? I've read a lot of your "essays" and most of them come off as you talking down to anyone that disagrees with your beliefs, I'm not really sure what's positive about that. It's clear that we are two personalities that will most likely not jive well together, nothing wrong with that. You are too stuck on your beliefs and I am too stuck on mine so for the sake of keeping my own Dudeness in check I'm going to say live and let live.
But I must say I find it a strange boast that you made it home with all your arms and legs, I mean good for you but there were many of our brothers that weren't so lucky.
Hey man... Sorry for the Hilary thing... Some Dudes might dig her:) I just tend to make connections to other things I experience, see, hear, etc... and that comment followed by her with Bernie standing behind her while she praised him for supporting during the event she claimed to not know where he was just leapt into my memory... Along with her whole "I had to be escorted under sniper fire" memory lapse she had on another topic.
The "Why" I thought had been made clear. Maybe it is in the last post I made on another thread. I am not really addressing what makes, or if some of them are wrong... I really haven't shared my beliefs here. Most is just being assumed because of the forum name. But I have had some difficulties not talking down in some of the posts (we all have our struggles... but change can happen). Dudeism is one of my attempts on improving. One look at my resources and the mere fact I am here seeking to participate in Dudeism should tell you that I am not stuck in anything. Just because someone believes they have reached a truth in a given area doesn't preclude their capacity to grow in another... or add to anything else. Remember... you're talking to a JKD instructor here too... not just a 'Christian'.
I have other posts to produce... but I am also working on building a site. The whole lots of ins and outs thing... Along with family, graduate school... it' hard to take it easy :(
I made the comment on the arms and legs because I was medically retired... and very lucky... very thankful. No offense to others who took different injuries than myself. Alot of them really get the shaft because no one helps them navigate the red tape to get their benefits. In fact... If any Dude you come across has issues or concerns with this... Particularly if they are still in... There is a HUGE chance I can assist them if they are not too far into the process. Please contact me.
Of all the things said over these last few topics the Hillary one might have been the most out of line :P She's just awful.
I understand where you're coming from and for the most part I've gotten what you are trying to do with the forums. I just disagree with you that the only content should be the positive stuff. That is my number one complaint, I honestly don't care if you want to get on a megaphone and shout God is great in all our faces. My issue is when people are told they cannot pick up their own megaphone and shout in disagreement. Both sides of any argument should be treated with the same amount of respect, even if it's the side you don't agree with.
I very much dislike censorship and this new trend of political correctness what is sweeping the country, so I can admit that I get a bit passionate when I see examples of it. "While I disagree with what you say, I'll defend to the death your right to say it." are words to live by in this Dude's humble opinion.
The VA and their inability to take care of returning servicemen is another topic all together...
Quote from: RandoRock on April 24, 2016, 12:26:58 AM
Oh I know, I'm well beyond the point where I think there is even the slightest chance anything I say to him will register but I am nonetheless going to keep trying because I'm on a boring post at work and I have nothing better to do.
Lol... I like yer style dude.