Sources: Osama bin Laden is dead
THEY GOT THE SON OF A BITCH!!
Obama is going to announce that the undude camel fucker has bit the dust.
Check out...........
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256676
http://www.cnn.com/
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About time.
There is a group of Navy SEALs who will never have to buy another drink as long as they live.
Quote from: karmatso on May 02, 2011, 02:22:39 AM
About time.
There is a group of Navy SEALs who will never have to buy another drink as long as they live.
Hell yeah! A round of oat sodas for them all!
It still doesn't answer any of the main questions though.
Bin Laden was a Saudi Arabian National as were the majority of the hijackers that day...there were two UAE nationals too. Not one Afghan amongst them....so tell me again exactly why the US and UK invaded Afghanistan?
Also on the day and for the next three days there were no international flights to and from the States....oh apart from the internal flights that went around America picking up several members of the Royal Saudi Family that were living in America... and then flying them back to the Middle East.
While I'm here why did we invade Iraq again the second time...? Oh because Dubbia made it up in his head that Al Qaeda had links to Iraq and that they had weapons of mass destruction.....Resounding NO to both of those statements.....let's see now....the only country in the world to have ever used WMD's is .....wait for it.....yes the US of A. Hiroshima and Nagasaki....and they even got the the second target wrong! They were aiming for Fukuoka about 70 miles up the coast.....
The whole thing sucks. And as for the rednecks who gathered outside the Whitehouse when the news was announced of his death chanting USA USA etc.... they are no better than the hooded crows who sat around the Guillotine watching the French nobilities heads being parted from there bodies....
This is NOT a great day in American history. Just another chapter in a very messy political war for oil.
Extremely undude. And you won't be getting any flag waving from me. :(
Just another quick question: Why do the press continually spell his name wrong?
This from the FBI's most wanted page http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten) now surely the Fibbies wouldn't make a mistake would they?
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Quote from: Caesar dude on May 02, 2011, 05:44:08 AM
Bin Laden was a Saudi Arabian National as were the majority of the hijackers that day...there were two UAE nationals too. Not one Afghan amongst them....so tell me again exactly why the US and UK invaded Afghanistan?
Because that's where he was at the time. And it was where his camps were.
Your point about Saudi Arabia is a good one though. Saudi Arabians constituted most of the highjackers and
Mohamed Atta was from Egypt.
There was even less reason to have invaded Iraq. Well that is if you you think that the invasion had anything to do with 911 which it never did. Saddam Husein was the reason to invade Iraq. And reason enough.
I agree that our closets are full of bones when it comes to the mid east and few people know much of any of it but still I won't cry over the death of an asshat like Bin Laden or for that matter just about any other extremist ass wipes. With him gone the chances for a real peace have increased. Probably not all that much but I'd say we are better off without him.
The burial at sea is a bit weird. And I admit that I've always been troubled by the fact that he denied being behind 911 and then amazingly a video shows up. Very tough to swallow.
I mean it doesn't seem like him to have denied involvement. Seems he'd have been anxious to take credit for it but hey who knows...
That is no reason to invade a country just because you assume a terrorist is hiding there. Most of those camps had been there for years since even before the Russians left....how convenient that now a Saudi national has taken residence we have to go and set up camp there! We knew the IRA used to hide out in Eire we didn't cross the border and start a fucking war!
By the same token the US should now be invading Pakistan as that is where he has been hiding for some years apparently.
The whole thing sucks.... invade Iraq then take control of the oil...invade Afghanistan then stop the heroin/opium trade ..... oh no in fact the supply of heroin to the west hasn't stopped at all has it? It's just being controlled and handled by US Government. Big money!
I was part of the first Gulf war. That was justified in most peoples minds due to the fact that Saddam had invaded poor little Kuwait. Schwarzkopf wanted to go all the way and take Baghdad but was overruled by Bush as he didn't want to upset the Saudis.
There was absolutely NO justification for the second invasion...no WMD's No chemical factories....fuck all! Then the US tried to hide behind the fact Saddam was a wicked dictator.....ok then why not invade Darfur or Libya or Syria or Lebanon or Zimbabwe or North Korea or Burma or Iran or indeed Saudi...there are plenty more oppressive regimes that advocate torture and rape and murder and oppression why doesn't the mighty US of A go get em all with there guns a blazin' and the flag of righteousness flying in the name of regime change.
This absolutely sucks. And yes I am pissed off!
I won't be shedding any tears for Mr laden but there will millions of Muslims who won't take this laying down. This is just the start and I absolutely guarantee there will be reprisals...those little jihad ragheads now have a martyr to rally around chanting death to the infidels!
The plane just flew into the goddamn mountain and yes everything is fucked here!
Peace??? We're fucked. >:(
My first reaction was ok, good, but then, wtf? Had to purge a bit and put on my headphones. His pic is all over the web like a mounted head and I gotta say this kind of celebration disgusts me. Guess I think killing is for when you need to eat, not for when you want to destroy. My opinion.
Quote from: Outer Element on May 02, 2011, 01:07:14 PM
My first reaction was ok, good, but then, wtf? Had to purge a bit and put on my headphones. His pic is all over the web like a mounted head and I gotta say this kind of celebration disgusts me. Guess I think killing is for when you need to eat, not for when you want to destroy. My opinion.
Agreed. This sort of celebration is s a bit unseemly from a Nation that (supposedly) prides it's self on the rule of law.
It is ugly.
Far as Afghanistan I can buy the Argument that "it's not our business" but I don't feel bad for invading Afghanistan after 911 where we knew there were terrorist training camps and in the process overturning the Taliban.
I'd call that a win win.
I certainly see it as a logical response to terrorist attacks against us by a group known to have training camps there.
Whether Bin Laden Himself was there or not is not even relevant. Far as I know no one even contests the fact that there were Terrorist training camps for a group that had publicly declared Jihad against the US. In the wake of 911 I'd have to call that justified.
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 02, 2011, 05:44:08 AM
It still doesn't answer any of the main questions though.
Bin Laden was a Saudi Arabian National as were the majority of the hijackers that day...there were two UAE nationals too. Not one Afghan amongst them....so tell me again exactly why the US and UK invaded Afghanistan?
It was their base of operation (Afghanistan) and the taliban "government" was supporting them.
Killing Osama leads to another Osama.
And I agree with the critical voices here, also I find making a song and a dance about this killing ugly. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be sad if OBL was gone.
However, what strikes me is that both parties involved seem to act following the same set of rules. Take an eye for an eye and a life for a life.... all nicely rooted in the Old Testament which the Koran often refers to as its basis.
Well, what I want to say is that I don't believe that killing Osama has increased the chances for peace. Rather I fear the other side will retaliate. No surprise the flights got all cancelled.
Take care everybody
Brother Erwin
Well, I'm not happy about the who darned affair, but that guy's better off dead than being turned over to the Pakistani government to be torn apart like the Iraqis did to Saddam, or, even worse, sent to that fascist hellhole Guantanamo (the biggest pustule of injustice in the face of this here Earth right now). Given the choice, Id rather be shot and dumped in the sea than be kept alive and put in the hands of vengeance.
These are indeed undudely times when such sick celebrations go on in the streets for one man's passing. What was happening in Times Square, to me, seemed to mirror what happens in the middle east when a hate-figure dies. What a sad day for civilisation :(
And you know what, I don't feel one iota safer. I'm still gonna lock my door, look both ways before crossing the street and chew before I swallow. This whole thing's a lot bigger than one man and fighting hate with hate ain't nothing but fighting fire with fire.
Strange days, indeed...
Quoteundudely times when such sick celebrations go on in the streets for one man's passing. What was happening in Times Square, to me, seemed to mirror what happens in the middle east when a hate-figure dies. What a sad day for civilisation
I totally agree and I think that's the root of my being so pissed off..... where's the fucking dignity in behaving like a blood thirsty mob?
QuoteIt was their base of operation (Afghanistan) and the taliban "government" was supporting them.
The British Government could have used the same argument and invaded Eire. We knew the terrorists lived and trained there and the predominantly Catholic Government supported the IRA....what's the difference DB?
This whole thing stinks and has done from the start
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 02, 2011, 03:22:17 PM
This whole thing stinks and has done from the start
Ceaser my friend, this is the epitaph of the whole darned modern politics for the last 60 years. I hope you and I live to see that grave stone carved, one day. Fuckin' A man!
it gets worse:
Quotehttp://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20110502/tod-bin-laden-is-late-pope-s-miracle-per-f62056d.html[/quote
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 02, 2011, 05:45:25 PM
it gets worse: Quotehttp://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20110502/tod-bin-laden-is-late-pope-s-miracle-per-f62056d.html
You gotta be fuckin' kiddin' me? ???
Quote from: cckeiser on May 02, 2011, 10:42:49 PM
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 02, 2011, 05:45:25 PM
it gets worse: Quotehttp://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20110502/tod-bin-laden-is-late-pope-s-miracle-per-f62056d.html
You gotta be fuckin' kiddin' me? ???
What a load of bullshit! The undude merely reaped his fucked up karma, man. He sowed to the wind and reaped the whirlwind. Or in modern terms; what goes around, comes around. Or, in Lebowski terms; this is what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass. He got his Vet clobbered!
Yeh they just made the last pope a saint so they are now looking for miracles to credit him with.
On the point of Osama bin Laden I personally think the US has made the mistake by killing the guy, because they have created a religious martyr out of the guy, which will be taken up by al qaeda fanatics all over the world.
Also I don't think he was actually as actively involved in the organisation of al qaeda for quite some time now.
Much like the World War Two plots against Hitler, I personally think if they had managed to kill Hitler they would have energised the German people and removed one of the major factors that helped the allies win the war (Hitler was so bad at military planning most of his orders were responsible for many of the Germans later failures in battle).
All IMHO as usual.
Quote from: meekon5 on May 03, 2011, 06:51:12 AM
Yeh they just made the last pope a saint so they are now looking for miracles to credit him with.
He's not a saint yet, just earned the title of "Blessed." They are looking for a second miracle, however, which would qualify him for sainthood.
Quote from: Outer Element on May 03, 2011, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: meekon5 on May 03, 2011, 06:51:12 AM
Yeh they just made the last pope a saint so they are now looking for miracles to credit him with.
He's not a saint yet, just earned the title of "Blessed." They are looking for a second miracle, however, which would qualify him for sainthood.
I knew he'd been through the process of "Beatification", but I'm not informed on the different levels.
Though looking at wiki it's the third step of four.
I did not know that!
Ok, now I see that it has to be 2 miracles after death, so even if the Pope validates this one that has been suggested (yeah, right), he would need one more.
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 02, 2011, 05:45:25 PM
it gets worse: Quotehttp://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20110502/tod-bin-laden-is-late-pope-s-miracle-per-f62056d.html[/quote
Well for those who believe some of the other utter nonsense in the bible this is a small leap of faith.
Sorry, I am not glad he is dead, but I am glad the world is free of him. He killed children, eight year olds dude!
I was also in favor of invading Afghanistan before 911, what the Taliban did to ancient world treasures and their own people was horrific on a massive scale. Some aggression can not stand.
I see it the way DB put it, reaping their own karmic debt.
We could not get out of this with out a fight, they wanted more than our money, still as we know, you loose something when it comes to fighting, our innocents(Donny).
Well, I think the CIA had that guy killed years before 911. He was just a sap to pin it on.
IMHO
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Nothing changes.
Quote from: BikerDude on May 02, 2011, 01:23:52 PM
Far as Afghanistan I can buy the Argument that "it's not our business" but I don't feel bad for invading Afghanistan after 911 where we knew there were terrorist training camps and in the process overturning the Taliban.
I'd call that a win win.
I certainly see it as a logical response to terrorist attacks against us by a group known to have training camps there.
Whether Bin Laden Himself was there or not is not even relevant. Far as I know no one even contests the fact that there were Terrorist training camps for a group that had publicly declared Jihad against the US. In the wake of 911 I'd have to call that justified.
here's an interesting what if...what if an African country suffered a massive terrorist attack by a US-based white supremacist group. The group has camps in the US (compounds, militia outposts, etc.). The US Govt. knew for a long time (back to Oklahoma City) that these groups exist but never put resources into stopping them.
So, the African nation decides to get the terrorists and sends an invasion force to the US (let's say the SouthWest).
1. How would that be different from the US invasion of either Afghanistan or Iraq?
2. What would be the reaction of the average American (hint: it would be similar to how Afghan nationals behaved).
Food for thought, man...
Quote from: Lao Dude on May 12, 2011, 10:09:14 AM
Quote from: BikerDude on May 02, 2011, 01:23:52 PM
Far as Afghanistan I can buy the Argument that "it's not our business" but I don't feel bad for invading Afghanistan after 911 where we knew there were terrorist training camps and in the process overturning the Taliban.
I'd call that a win win.
I certainly see it as a logical response to terrorist attacks against us by a group known to have training camps there.
Whether Bin Laden Himself was there or not is not even relevant. Far as I know no one even contests the fact that there were Terrorist training camps for a group that had publicly declared Jihad against the US. In the wake of 911 I'd have to call that justified.
here's an interesting what if...what if an African country suffered a massive terrorist attack by a US-based white supremacist group. The group has camps in the US (compounds, militia outposts, etc.). The US Govt. knew for a long time (back to Oklahoma City) that these groups exist but never put resources into stopping them.
So, the African nation decides to get the terrorists and sends an invasion force to the US (let's say the SouthWest).
1. How would that be different from the US invasion of either Afghanistan or Iraq?
2. What would be the reaction of the average American (hint: it would be similar to how Afghan nationals behaved).
Food for thought, man...
But that's different...We're Murcans dude! ;D
http://dudeism.com/smf/index.php?topic=1899.0
"We are not rational creatures...we are rationalizing creatures." - Elmer Fudd
We rationalize everything to justify our own desires. 8)
Fuckin' Fascist...nothin' ever changes.
Quote from: Lao Dude on May 12, 2011, 10:09:14 AM
here's an interesting what if...what if an African country suffered a massive terrorist attack by a US-based white supremacist group. The group has camps in the US (compounds, militia outposts, etc.). The US Govt. knew for a long time (back to Oklahoma City) that these groups exist but never put resources into stopping them.
So, the African nation decides to get the terrorists and sends an invasion force to the US (let's say the SouthWest).
1. How would that be different from the US invasion of either Afghanistan or Iraq?
2. What would be the reaction of the average American (hint: it would be similar to how Afghan nationals behaved).
Food for thought, man...
I think this would be one reaction, but I also think there would be a lot of people pissed at the govt for not taking action against the terrorists once the truth came out.
No doubt, man...even dudeists would call it over the line.
Here's my point, Dude--there's no reason..there's no fucking reason--why Americans should accept the US invasion of another country when they would not accept same in theirs even under the banner of fighting terrorism.
Just a thought experiment..something to add to the strands in your old head while sipping a beverage
This aggression will stand---apparently----, man...the US is turning into reactionary fascists...sad...what is a dude to do..
Quote from: Lao Dude on May 12, 2011, 02:37:59 PM
Here's my point, Dude--there's no reason..there's no fucking reason--why Americans should accept the US invasion of another country when they would not accept same in theirs even under the banner of fighting terrorism.
Just a thought experiment..something to add to the strands in your old head while sipping a beverage
This aggression will stand---apparently----, man...the US is turning into reactionary fascists...sad...what is a dude to do..
Fuckin' A, man. It's a worrying trend, and something I'm hoping isn't breeding too much over here in the UK. It's a lack of reasoning tempered by strong emotional/patriotic flares. A lot of warfare we're both involved in of late seems to be at the cost of innocent civilians, not in their cause. Compassion for others, yes, vengeance for ourselves, no.
Off topic but a strand came up in my old head...
Did you guys see the story about the Pakistani who twittered the osama hit? He didnt know what was going on just that helicopters were bothering him
http://mashable.com/2011/05/02/live-tweet-bin-laden-raid/
What is fucking interesting, man is how unstereotypical this guy was. Some of my paraquat cow-workers actually thought most Pakistanis live in tents. This guy is a middle-class, house-dwelling, seemingly successful IT guy Tweeting in much the same way an average Donny would here...and he was basically Osama's neighbor...as long as people think that everyone outside their comfort zone is The Other (or on a different bowling team) rather than a fellow Dude, we'll continue to have unchecked aggression...OK I am wearing out the "unchecked aggression" cliche..mark me zero..
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 02, 2011, 06:00:56 AM
Just another quick question: Why do the press continually spell his name wrong?
This from the FBI's most wanted page http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten) now surely the Fibbies wouldn't make a mistake would they?
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Because
أسامة بن لادن
is really hard to type?
You Smart ass!!!! LOL :)
Yeah, a bit, but it's true, neither "Osama bin Laden" nor "Usama bin Ladin" nor "Beardy McJihadpants" is spelled right. I saw a thing during the early days of the Libyan revolution there about all the different spellings of Colonel Batshit's name... I think the blowhard the TV had going on about it did basically say, "look, shaddap, it's just different romanizations of a name none of you twits would probably even recognize as written language if you saw it 'spelled right.' So blow it out your collective ass."
If only he had phrased it thus. That would've been _awesome_
Alas, the only reasonable TV news in the US seems to be on the Comedy Channel. That, and Al Jazeera. I weep for the future.
I think it's like the various spellings of Mohamed (PBUH for the Muslim dudes!) so not wrong as such but why do the press not take up the "official" spelling of the FBI?
It's just a question and I don't really give a crap....but your thoughts would be interesting?
Cheers dude. 8)
The Daily Show and the Colbert Report are credible news, the most credible US news going.
Former Afghan intelligence chief says he knew bin Laden was hiding in Pakistan
The Associated Press May 15, 2011 19:46:52 PM
WASHINGTON - Afghanistan's former intelligence chief says he knew Osama bin Laden was hiding in Pakistan four years ago, but Pakistan's leaders rejected his claims.
In an interview broadcast Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes," Amrullah Saleh says Afghan intelligence thought bin Laden was in the Pakistani city of Mansehra ? about 12 miles (19 kilometres) away from Abbottabad, where the terrorist leader was eventually found and killed by U.S. Navy SEALs.
Saleh has become a prominent critic of Afghan President Hamid Karzai's efforts to start peace talks with the Taliban. He says Pakistan should be recognized by the United States as "a hostile country."
He told CBS: "They take your money. They do not co-operate. They created the Taliban. They are number one in nuclear proliferation."
http://www.1310news.com/news/world/article/226788--former-afghan-intelligence-chief-says-he-knew-bin-laden-was-hiding-in-pakistan
Check it out:
Teen interrogated after Facebook bin Laden post
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20063954-71.html.
13-year-olds, man.
Quote from: Outer Element on May 20, 2011, 12:24:14 AM
Check it out:
Teen interrogated after Facebook bin Laden post
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20063954-71.html.
13-year-olds, man.
Fuckin' fascists! We know our rights, man!
They are listening and watching everything.
To quote the Lone gunmen:
No matter how paranoid you are, it's never enough.
Just remember to say hi to "them", every once in a while.
Hey gang, keep hunting those terrorists, later.
See, now they know we know that they know that we know they are watching us, but no big dealz.
Quote from: meekon5 on May 20, 2011, 06:35:20 AM
They are listening and watching everything.
To quote the Lone gunmen:
No matter how paranoid you are, it's never enough.
This post sums it up nicely
Yeah--they thought the mother wasn't taking them seriously because when the call was made, her first response was, "You've got to be joking." That'll hold up in court (sarcasm font here).
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa405/outerelement/BinLadentrophy.jpg)
LMAO.....