Great Dudes in History - Sarah Silverman is no dude‏

[Reach]

Greetings,

First, I love what you have done. I read and laugh out loud. Thank you & keep it up.

I have a problem with Sarah Silverman being listed as a great dude role model.

I had heard of her but never heard her perform, so I checked out a sample on YouTube. I found her routine to be mean spirited and racist - I don't go for that.

The Dude may have had some faults, but being mean spirited and racist was not among them.

I find her very un-Dude and request that she be removed from the list - maybe replace her with Nelson Mandela.

[RevWade]

I did like the "I'm fucking Mat Damon" song, but the dude did not rub the big lebowski's nose in the rug he stole.  very un-dude...

[forumdude]

we've fielded a lot of criticism for honoring sarah silverman as a great dude in history. let me address a few points:

she's clearly not racist - she's being supremely ironic, playing a stereotype of an odious, spoiled brat to make a point. but if you watch interviews with her she's extremely dudeish - openminded and easygoing and remarkably wise.

the i'm fucking matt damon song was certainly not meant to be taken seriously. her boyfriend jimmy kimmel countered with a "i'm fucking ben affleck" song. her humor is dark and knowing like that of the coen brothers. only not nearly as subtle.

however, i must admit that it is hard to find standout female dudes out there. we've got a couple lined up for great dude in history column in the dudespaper - maude from harold and maude and the main character from mike leigh's film "happy go lucky" among them. we put in sarah because frankly we couldn't think of that many female dudeist saints when we first scribbled down that list.

if enough people insist that sarah silverman doesn't adequately represent the dude faith then we'll consider removing her. however, give her a chance - she really seems to be the exact opposite of the character she portrays in her act.

please suggest other female great dudes if you know any. what about anais nin? eleanor roosevelt?

[greatspiritmonk]

I honestly know almost nothing about Sarah Silverman, but it's true that it's quite difficult to find female dudes. I don't want to be sexist so I won't give an explanation,  , but I guess it's the same female ratio that there is between dudeist priests. Maybe taking it easy is more difficult for females.

Anyhow I don't think Mandela is a good example of Dudeness, look at what's happening in South Africa. They passed out of the frying pan into the fire. Just to give an example these days rapes are so common that if ever caught a rapist has only to pay a small fine for the crime. And of course the other crimes follow the same line.

What about Mother Theresa? Or Aung San Suu Kyi?

[martin]

we've fielded a lot of criticism for honoring sarah silverman as a great dude in history. let me address a few points:

she's clearly not racist - she's being supremely ironic, playing a stereotype of an odious, spoiled brat to make a point. but if you watch interviews with her she's extremely dudeish - openminded and easygoing and remarkably wise.

the i'm fucking matt damon song was certainly not meant to be taken seriously. her boyfriend jimmy kimmel countered with a "i'm fucking ben affleck" song. her humor is dark and knowing like that of the coen brothers. only not nearly as subtle.

however, i must admit that it is hard to find standout female dudes out there. we've got a couple lined up for great dude in history column in the dudespaper - maude from harold and maude and the main character from mike leigh's film "happy go lucky" among them. we put in sarah because frankly we couldn't think of that many female dudeist saints when we first scribbled down that list.

if enough people insist that sarah silverman doesn't adequately represent the dude faith then we'll consider removing her. however, give her a chance - she really seems to be the exact opposite of the character she portrays in her act.

please suggest other female great dudes if you know any. what about anais nin? eleanor roosevelt?

imo she is very dude, to remove her would be a crime!

[Reach]

Greetings,

Irony is funny as long as it is not about you. Listen to her routine with the ears of someone Latino or gay - I don't think you'd find the material "ironic".

I'm new here and I like it, but I stand against racism when I hear it. We can make a better choice of female dudes.

[greatspiritmonk]

Is she wrong? Is she wrong?

I've never heard her, so I'm a little curious. Is she saying real things ironically or is she saying lies? 

[Bishop]

i fantasize about going back in time and helping anais nin to conceive.

we can have female dudes, but also special ladies that aren't necessarily dudes.

we got janis joplin. and i really like zooey deschanel, and that girl that sings in giant drag although she seems real sad in her songs.

[The Lennon]

Sarah Silverman Is totally a dude, I have seen her show and stand up numerous times, she is easily one of the duliest dudes I've ever seen. And I've seen a lot of dudes! Keep her on the list!

[DudeGraeck]

I concur.  Sarah Silverman is most definitely not a dude.

The fact that she's just not really that funny aside (and I don't mind offensive humor at all, she's just not good at it). Sarah Silverman is quite simply way too high strung to be a dude.  She strikes me as someone who, while may be a nice person, would have a very difficult time just, "taking it easy" in the truest sense of the phrase.

We must remember, there's a difference between being liked by (some) dudes, and actually being a dude. Being liked by dudes does not make a person a dude.

There are a lot of female dudes out there, Sarah Silverman is most certainly not one of them - even if you think she is funny.

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

Rosa Parks, if not Dude then mention for a most Dudely act. she was totally Dude when she set of that controversy, basically she "just took her easy", the rest of Murcah threw a fit. But she really did nothing, in fact it was her not doing that caused all the fuss. It was her say'n this is good enough, an empty seat at the front, why keep walking down the aisle. Then when they tried to make her do something she said, "this aggression will not stand man!". "I abide by the empty seat, y'all are a bunch of reactionaries."

So I nominate Rosa Parks, at least for outstanding Dudely move.

Peace

Oh yeah Sarah, what ever.  She's cool, maybe Dude, maybe not, donno, too many ins an outs.

[DigitalBuddha]

Rosa Parks, a dude of the highest order. Fucking eh, they don't make em' more dude like.

http://www.rosapark.com/rosaparks.htm

[meekon5]

...we can have female dudes, but also special ladies that aren't necessarily dudes....

I think you miss the point here entirely. This is not a list of great Dudes girlfriends. The point is either sex can attain Dudeism.

and as for this greatspirit monk:

...but I guess it's the same female ratio that there is between dudeist priests. Maybe taking it easy is more difficult for females...

Mate may you burn in Dudeist Hell for that . I'm surprised no one has called you on that one.

The problem with trying to find female Dudeists in history is the simple fact the history has been written by men for a couple of thousand years. So has generally concentrated on Men.

Dudeism is an attitude and way of life, there is nothing in the genetic makeup of either sex that makes one or the other more able to become Dudeist.

As for Sarah Silverman. To be honest dudes I haven't got a fucking clue.

(Lost the plot there somewhere).

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

That, and the whole Yin Yang, masculine and the feminine, yielding and aggression. Yeah man if one looks at it a certain way, then Dudeism is more the yielding feminine ergo, chicks have a natural Dude state, so maybe there is not so much a contrast, making it harder to spot female Dudes. After all, pregnancy and child birth may be the ultimate form of abiding.

Just some shit to think about dudes.

[DoobieWah]

Yeah rev, I agree. They're hard to spot...

Yeah, I think that Rosa Parks should definitely be there!!!