Great Dudes in History - Sarah Silverman is no dude‏

[meekon5]

That, and the whole Yin Yang, masculine and the feminine, yielding and aggression. Yeah man if one looks at it a certain way, then Dudeism is more the yielding feminine ergo, chicks have a natural Dude state, so maybe there is not so much a contrast, making it harder to spot female Dudes...

So what your saying is most women are in a Dude state but it's more unusual for men to be balanced with their female (Yin) side so it becomes more of an event that men are actually reaching the Dude state when it's actually so opposed to our aggressive (Yang) state.

No I can go with that. But I do know quiet a few women that are defiantly not Dudes. But thinking about that in a society that (for the last two thousand years) has been run by men then it's logical for women to move away from the due state they would naturally exist in (take Margret Thatcher for instance) women have had to become more like men to compete in the uneven playing field, maybe Dudeism is the swing of the pendulum in the other direction making more men Dudes re-balnaces the women who have become more like men.

[Rev. Ed C]

What about Mother Theresa? Or Aung San Suu Kyi?

Aung San Suu Kyi should definately be lifted up to that status, least of all because she spends so much time chilling at home (sorry, I couldn't resist!) 

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

Man, I so want to get together an do a J with you guys.

Yeah Meekon, I think it is somewhere in there, and being that you are Pagan, I am sure you are aware of all the Mother Goddess worship, pre-Biblical Earope, or even all the others in Mesopotamia and such. In Ekhart Tolles book, A New Earth, he has an interesting take on why those motivated by their Yang sought to suppress knowledge of the Yin, because it threatens their power base.

[Outer Element]

...but I guess it's the same female ratio that there is between dudeist priests. Maybe taking it easy is more difficult for females...

Mate may you burn in Dudeist Hell for that . I'm surprised no one has called you on that one.

I just read this thread, or I would have drawn a line in the sand about this kind of blathering right away. Dudes, Dudes!! Anyone taken a women's history course here? Anyone follow politics? Plenty of abidin' females. Not hard to spot on the web, either, if you look.

Like Meekon says, opportunity and recognition have been denied. Let's not debate the nature of the roller, but shut the fuck up and roll! Can we be achievers on this? Ratio is 3:13, women:men on Great Dudes in History page right now.

<channeling Walter here...better grab a caucasian and spark up a j>

Sarah Silverman--I like her, but haven't seen that many of her routines. Mostly the fucking Matt Damon one--great!

[Outer Element]

A couple of places to start and review for Dudely qualities:

http://www.lkwdpl.org/wihohio/figures.htm

http://womenshistory.about.com/

[DigitalBuddha]

...but I guess it's the same female ratio that there is between dudeist priests. Maybe taking it easy is more difficult for females...

Mate may you burn in Dudeist Hell for that . I'm surprised no one has called you on that one.

I just read this thread, or I would have drawn a line in the sand about this kind of blathering right away. Dudes, Dudes!! Anyone taken a women's history course here? Anyone follow politics? Plenty of abidin' females. Not hard to spot on the web, either, if you look.

Like Meekon says, opportunity and recognition have been denied. Let's not debate the nature of the roller, but shut the fuck up and roll! Can we be achievers on this? Ratio is 3:13, women:men on Great Dudes in History page right now.

<channeling Walter here...better grab a caucasian and spark up a j>

Sarah Silverman--I like her, but haven't seen that many of her routines. Mostly the fucking Matt Damon one--great!

Well dude, we just don't know why more great dude nominations have been more male than female. Personally, the female form doesn't bother me and and is by far the best for coitus, IMHO. Maybe we just need more female dudes or dudettes or what have you in our beach community to even things out a bit. We need more special lady friends around here.

[meekon5]

Sorry DB you used the "Dudettes" word.

My soap box out again.

We are all Dudes, whatever our gender.

Perhaps there's one of the causes?

There does seem to be a higher proportion of males on the forum.

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

Maybe it's just that our female compeers are just not that into listening to us male Dudes blather on about geeky shit? This place has a little bit of mancave smell.

What we need is a lady Dude to step up and hang some curtains or something. Ya' know, some feminine stuff to tie the room together, stuff us gentlemen Dudes would just not know should be there.

Gentleman and Lady Dudes, does that work? Dunno.

As yin and yang are two aspects of one thing, so lady and gentleman are two aspects of one Dudeness.

I like lady Dude, but gentleman Dude meh. Mang Dude? nah. dunno.

[Outer Element]

Still in the bath listening to whale sounds, eh? I get that, chilling is Dudely. However, this Dude has been going after his rug. How about nominating any or all of these female Dudes as a Great Dude in History?

Rachel Carson (1907-1964) - Marine biologist, science writer, and environmentalist.
http://www.lkwdpl.org/wihohio/cars-rac.htm

Marie LaVeau (1796?-1863?) - African-American Voodoo Queen of New Orleans and famous herbalist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Laveau

Georgia O'Keeffe (1887-1986) - Famed American artist who defied convention in both her art and her private life.
http://www.lkwdpl.org/wihohio/okee-geo.htm

[Outer Element]

What about Mother Theresa? Or Aung San Suu Kyi?

So, can some of these female Dudes that have been suggested be put up on the Great Dudes page? I can bring on more if we want more to choose from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aung_San_Suu_Kyi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa
http://www.lkwdpl.org/wihohio/cars-rac.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Laveau
http://www.lkwdpl.org/wihohio/okee-geo.htm

[brother_erwin]

Who the fuck is Sarah Silverman?  

May I try to give the whole discussion a different direction?

IMHO it does not make a whole lot of sense to classify people as either dudes or non-dudes. As hardly a person is completely healthy or completely unhealthy (at least not before or during her or his last breath), I think most people are neither completely dude nor completely undude. In most cases, it depends on context. There may be exceptions, I admit.

Even The dude gets undude now and then and affected by stress-talk (which must not be carried into the next round robin, of course).

Does it not make more sense to point out dudeist or undudeist behavior, instead of persons?

For example, trying to protect an arse-hole character as papa Lebowski from being hurt by a Walter Sobchak character (who is always convinced of his own error of judgements until the shit hits the fan again), immediately after having been heavily insulted by that arse-hole, that's what I'd call very dudeist. Even if naming someone a cripple may not be the preferred nomenclature. And is it not exactly that Walter who is most dudeist when saying (several times, as we all know): Fuck it, let's go bowling.

Just my opinion, fellas, but I could imagine this way of seeing things might prevent this quiet beach community from turning into a place where we fight about who is what.

...which would make us difficult to distinguish from a Roman Catholic  Concilium (or what have you), where robe-clad authorities get their knickers in twists about who is a saint and who not.

On a personal level, and on the same grounds, I do distrust the notion of saints (or great dudes in history, as such) anyway.

Faithfully BE

[Outer Element]

Does it not make more sense to point out dudeist or undudeist behavior, instead of persons

I totally dig that. Everyone is a mixture of dude and un-dude.

Still think it's only right to represent the ladies, however way they're represented. Might help bring them to the party, too--lotta folks have said they want this. 

[brother_erwin]

I am with you on that, Outer Element. What's the use of parties without them 

[brother_erwin]

...on second thoughts: Who is to represent them, if they do not so themselves.

And, don't stone me for that, what if - for whatever fucking reason - dudeism  d o e s have more appeal to johnson-wearers than to amphibious rodent owners    I'm talking about beavers here, not marmots.  (or, in German parlance: bears)

Perhaps, after all, dudeism is a male solution to a male thing....
Like TBL seams to appeal, on average, more to male viewers than to female ones?

And if so, what would be wrong about it?

Faithfully BE

[DigitalBuddha]

Sorry DB you used the "Dudettes" word.

My soap box out again.

We are all Dudes, whatever our gender.

Perhaps there's one of the causes?

There does seem to be a higher proportion of males on the forum.

I agree, "dude" for both genders is probably best (much more simpler), but what about those of us with female forms (your basic female) who might feel that "dude" is a bit on the butch side? Something a bit like.........



Although, there are worse places a guy could find himself in.