Dudeist Disagreement

[MindAbiding]

Hey Dudes,

The activity on these here boards as of late has got me thinking about the futility of trying to change another person's mind. Here's a favorite from Chuang Tzu. May be worth some pondering...

Have a good weekend, Dudes, and take it easy.


"Suppose you and I have had an argument. If you have beaten me instead of my beating you, then are you necessarily right and am I necessarily wrong? If I have beaten you instead of your beating me, then am I necessarily right and are you necessarily wrong? Is one of us right and the other wrong? Are both of us right or are both of us wrong? If you and I don't know the answer, then other people are bound to be even more in the dark. Whom shall we get to decide what is right? Shall we get someone who agrees with you to decide? But if he already agrees with you, how can he decide fairly? Shall we get someone who agrees with me? But if he already agrees with me, how can he decide? Shall we get someone who disagrees with both of us? But if he already disagrees with both of us, how can he decide? Shall we get someone who agrees with both of us? But if he already agrees with both of us, how can he decide? Obviously, then, neither you nor I nor anyone else can decide for each other. Shall we wait for still another person?

But waiting for one shifting voice [to pass judgment on] another is the same as waiting for none of them. Harmonize them all with the Heavenly Equality, leave them to their endless changes, and so live out your years. What do I mean by harmonizing them with the Heavenly Equality? Right is not right; so is not so. If right were really right, it would differ so clearly from not right that there would be no need for argument. If so were really so, it would differ so clearly from not so that there would be no need for argument. Forget the years; forget distinctions. Leap into the boundless and make it your home!"

[DigitalBuddha]

Way cool words, dude.

[MindAbiding]

Thankee, Dude. I dig your words, too, man. It's quite a spectacle that some 2500 years later with observations like these floating around we're all just as stubborn minded as ever. Parts, anyway. All the more reason to adhere to a strict drug regimen to keep the mind limber.

Take it easy, DigitalBuddha, Dude.

[elgranduderino]

*sigh*

[DudeFairy]

People forget the inner Dude is in us all, or perhaps some folks inner Dudes have had their Johnson cut off..

[Bullett00th]

this is great. I'm going to share this with quite a few poeple who really need to read this

[meekon5]

I just read this off

The clouds above us come together and disperse;
The breeze in the courtyard departs and returns.
Life is like that, so why not relax?
Who can keep us from celebrating?
- Lu-Yu

and liked it so much I went and googled it.

Is this the same person?

Lu Yu; the Saint of Tea and Cha Jing

Actually I don't care because it's led me to another interesting discovery:

The Cha Jing - The Classic of Tea

and if there's one thing I can't get enough of it's tea.

[MindAbiding]

Thanks, Dudes! Meekon, I'm guessing your Lu-Yu and mine are one in the same. I can't quite remember where I came across the quote, I just liked it a great deal.