The Dude speaks...

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Bullett00th

To be honest I don't get why some people want a sequel so badly.

This is one of those movies that definitely does not need a sequel and would not benefit from one.

meekon5

Quote from: Bullett00th on November 13, 2013, 04:35:50 AM
To be honest I don't get why some people want a sequel so badly.

This is one of those movies that definitely does not need a sequel and would not benefit from one.

Like anything (Star Trek, Star Wars, Buffy, Charmed, etc) people feel safe in the version of the world the film portrays and want to extend it into their lives.

I think also people are looking to extend their time with a group of characters that they enjoyed the company of the first time.

I do agree that the film stands as it is, and shouldn't descend into TBL II, TBL XXVIII, etc.

I know Hollywood, being intellectually bankrupt, do tend to leech onto any popular film and try to drain it for as much as possible (see Starship Troopers I, II, III).
"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and  that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
Stephen Hawking

Where are you Dude? Place your pin @ http://tinyurl.com/dudemap

BikerDude

I would rather have the Coens do another different movie in the Dude's "universe" where the dude and Walter and others are in the movie but not major characters.


Out here we are all his children


DigitalBuddha

Quote from: meekon5 on November 13, 2013, 08:15:21 AM
Quote from: Bullett00th on November 13, 2013, 04:35:50 AM
To be honest I don't get why some people want a sequel so badly.

This is one of those movies that definitely does not need a sequel and would not benefit from one.
I know Hollywood, being intellectually bankrupt, do tend to leech onto any popular film and try to drain it for as much as possible (see Starship Troopers I, II, III).


Holy shit, what joke and mindless disaster Starship Troopers was! You could have solved their problem with one big can of Raid!

Completely destroyed a great book...



A review...

This is the FWS review of the 1997 film that was semi-based off the 1959 founding classic of Military Science Fiction by Robert A. Heinlein. Starship Troopers was a major release of that year and is one of few military sci-fi movies ever made by a major studio. The $100 million movie completely changed the theme, feeling, and the majority of the cast was setting of the Bug War from the book.
The film also vexes me deeply.
On one hand, the film is the one of the few truly Military Sci-Fi to show large-scale warfare in the future (I am not looking at you Star Wars Prequels!), but then on the other hand, it is not the film it should be.

Paul Verhoeven did a great job with Robocop, but his tongue-deeply-in-cheek style with the ultra-cartoon violence betrayed the movie that was to be our Braveheart...or Saving Private Ryan, instead we got a nicely made B movie.

What we should have gotten was is a classic, like Avatar or Aliens.


Bullett00th

Quote from: BikerDude on November 13, 2013, 09:50:18 AM
I would rather have the Coens do another different movie in the Dude's "universe" where the dude and Walter and others are in the movie but not major characters.

That's more acceptable. Something like a transition from The Clerks to Jay and Silent Bob or Dogma.

I'd probably have some mindless fun watching a movie about, say, ze nihilists who believe in nossin. Although knowing the Cohens they could even put some sense into it. Or not, judging from Burn After Reading which personally I found to be a huge waste of both time and great actors' potential

meekon5

Quote from: Bullett00th on November 13, 2013, 07:05:07 PM
Quote from: BikerDude on November 13, 2013, 09:50:18 AM
I would rather have the Coens do another different movie in the Dude's "universe" where the dude and Walter and others are in the movie but not major characters.

That's more acceptable. Something like a transition from The Clerks to Jay and Silent Bob or Dogma.

I'd probably have some mindless fun watching a movie about, say, ze nihilists who believe in nossin. Although knowing the Cohens they could even put some sense into it. Or not, judging from Burn After Reading which personally I found to be a huge waste of both time and great actors' potential

Though I did laugh out loud when Brad was shot in the head.
"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and  that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
Stephen Hawking

Where are you Dude? Place your pin @ http://tinyurl.com/dudemap

meekon5

Quote from: DigitalBuddha on November 13, 2013, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: meekon5 on November 13, 2013, 08:15:21 AM
Quote from: Bullett00th on November 13, 2013, 04:35:50 AM
To be honest I don't get why some people want a sequel so badly.

This is one of those movies that definitely does not need a sequel and would not benefit from one.
I know Hollywood, being intellectually bankrupt, do tend to leech onto any popular film and try to drain it for as much as possible (see Starship Troopers I, II, III).


Holy shit, what joke and mindless disaster Starship Troopers was! You could have solved their problem with one big can of Raid!

Completely destroyed a great book...

On that particular point (from Slashdot)

critics reassess starship troopers
"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and  that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
Stephen Hawking

Where are you Dude? Place your pin @ http://tinyurl.com/dudemap

Bullett00th

Quote from: meekon5 on November 14, 2013, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: Bullett00th on November 13, 2013, 07:05:07 PM
Quote from: BikerDude on November 13, 2013, 09:50:18 AM
I would rather have the Coens do another different movie in the Dude's "universe" where the dude and Walter and others are in the movie but not major characters.

That's more acceptable. Something like a transition from The Clerks to Jay and Silent Bob or Dogma.

I'd probably have some mindless fun watching a movie about, say, ze nihilists who believe in nossin. Although knowing the Cohens they could even put some sense into it. Or not, judging from Burn After Reading which personally I found to be a huge waste of both time and great actors' potential

Though I did laugh out loud when Brad was shot in the head.

I didn't say it wasn't funny at times. Not to mention both Pitt and Clooney showed top notch acting. It's just that the whole movie felt kind of... pointless

meekon5

#9
I do agree with you.

Not as much of a waste of time as "Lost in Translation", but up there.

Fact of the matter is the only part I laughed at was Pitt being shot.
"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and  that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
Stephen Hawking

Where are you Dude? Place your pin @ http://tinyurl.com/dudemap

BikerDude

Quote from: Bullett00th on November 13, 2013, 07:05:07 PM
Quote from: BikerDude on November 13, 2013, 09:50:18 AM
I would rather have the Coens do another different movie in the Dude's "universe" where the dude and Walter and others are in the movie but not major characters.

That's more acceptable. Something like a transition from The Clerks to Jay and Silent Bob or Dogma.

I'd probably have some mindless fun watching a movie about, say, ze nihilists who believe in nossin. Although knowing the Cohens they could even put some sense into it. Or not, judging from Burn After Reading which personally I found to be a huge waste of both time and great actors' potential

It would be cool to check back in with the Dude and Walter.
In my opinion Walter would be doing super great in a post 911 world. It was of course a coincidence that Walter ran a security company but now, after 911 the market for his services has exploded. He'd be doing a bang up business. He probably would have gotten back with his ex even.
While sadly I suspect that things for unemployed slackers have become a bit more dicey.
In a sad way I see that reality as in some ways actually serving the Dude ethos rather well. That is to say that the empowerment of paraquat that is resultant from this sort of Aggression and the resultant lack of Abiding and loss of personal liberty has a very negative effect on people like the Dude.



Out here we are all his children


DigitalBuddha

Quote from: meekon5 on November 14, 2013, 05:12:02 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on November 13, 2013, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: meekon5 on November 13, 2013, 08:15:21 AM
Quote from: Bullett00th on November 13, 2013, 04:35:50 AM
To be honest I don't get why some people want a sequel so badly.

This is one of those movies that definitely does not need a sequel and would not benefit from one.
I know Hollywood, being intellectually bankrupt, do tend to leech onto any popular film and try to drain it for as much as possible (see Starship Troopers I, II, III).


Holy shit, what joke and mindless disaster Starship Troopers was! You could have solved their problem with one big can of Raid!

Completely destroyed a great book...

On that particular point (from Slashdot)

critics reassess starship troopers

HA! Well said...

"crazed, lurid spectacle' featuring 'raunchiness tailor-made for teen-age boys"

And what ever this dude has been drinkin', I want some...

"Phil Coldiron described it as 'one of the greatest of all anti-imperialist films,' a parody of Hollywood form whose superficial 'badness' is central to its critique."

milnie

Give it few more years and Hollywood will probably try and remake tbl, with James Franco as the dude!?!
quod tendo non ut pallens adeo in terminus!

Reverend Curb

and Seth Rogen as Walter and Jay Baruchel as Donny. A cameo by Jeff Bridges as The Big Lebowski as the Hollywood 'homage' to the original and Danny McBride as the leader of the Nihilists.
Instead of a light-hearted, emotional, funny, inspiring movie it could be a total gross-out stoner flick for the MTV Generation who listens to Miley Cyrus and The Biebs!
Jesus, man...
Well, that's your perception.