A few thoughts on the real issues concerning gun control

[DigitalBuddha]

OK, dudes, I thought I would share a few thoughts on the real issues concerning gun control. I would guess that people who want to ban guns in our society, and take away your right to own one, hope you don't think things through carefully and get to the basic and real issues at hand. You might call it "government by keeping people in the dark, hope they stay there, and feed them garbage." Unfortunately, it works.

The Chinaman is not the issue here, dudes...

The real issue is not whether or not you have the right to own a gun, or even if you have the right to use it for appropriate reasons. That is NOT the issue at hand; such a debate is nothing more than a straw man used by gun confiscation proponents such as Senator Dianne Feinstein and her dangerous "gun control" friends to blur the real issues.

Gun control, before going too far with this, is NOT Dianne Feinstein's goal. "People control" is her target. You can control people far easier who are disarmed than you can people who are not (just ask Hitler and Stalin). It's just that simple. I wish I could say that Senator Dianne Feinstein is fooling no one, but sadly, she is, and SHE KNOWS IT.

So what is the real issue at hand? It's simply this; you have a right to defend yourself. Period, end of story. There is NO argument that can be made to take away a law abiding person's RIGHT to defend them self. THAT is the reason for which Dianne Feinstein and her allies avoid the issue like the black plague! They have NO argument against it, NONE! In fact, they readily apply the right to defend THEMSELVES to THEMSELVES while making plans to take such a right from you. Of course, for your own good.

Oh, they won't just come right out and say that they are working to strip you of your right to defend yourself, no one is that foolish. On the contrary; they're going to try and convince you that their whole reason for gun control is "to protect you and your family." Criminals love it! They love a nice "safe" DISARMED public that will be easy prey!

Recently, Australia had to learn this lesson THE HARD WAY (the stats are frightening). At the time of the ban on guns, the Prime Minister of Australia said "self-defense is not a reason for owning a firearm." Well, excuse us Prime Minister!

And the results? A dramatic INCREASE in criminal activity has been experienced in Australia. Gun control advocates respond "Just wait, we'll be safer, you'll see!" Sound familiar?

Here are the OBSERVABLE FACTS of Australia's "gun control" data:

* Australia wide; homicides are up 3.2%

* Australia wide; assaults are up 8.6%

* Australia wide; armed-robberies are up 44% (yes, FORTY-FOUR PERCENT)

* In the state of Victoria; homicides with firearms are up 300%

* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in homicides with firearms (which changed dramatically in the past 12 months after gun confiscation)

* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms (which changed dramatically in the past 12 months after gun confiscation)

* There has been a dramatic increase in break ins and assaults of the elderly.

So you might ask; how does gun control mesh with such a right? That answer is equally simple; if you have the right to defend yourself, you therefore have the right to posses the means to do so such as a rifle or handgun. To take away the means to do so (the arms), is to deny the right of defense. And, the right of defense has NOT been granted to you by the US Constitution, it has been granted to you by God, (it is a "natural law") and, as such, it is upheld by the US Constitution, and is the law.

The founding Fathers of the United States wisely understood this concept of your right to defend yourself and they included it in the US Constitution, Bill of RIGHTS, Second Amendment...

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the RIGHT of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT be infringed." THAT IS THE LAW, and gun grabbers hate it with a passion.

Recently, the Judge (Judge Burns, who sentenced Jared Lee Loughner, shooter of former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords) commented Loughner's sentencing "I also questioned the social utility of high-capacity magazines like the one that fed his Glock. And I lamented the expiration of the federal assault weapons ban in 2004, which prohibited the manufacture and importation of certain particularly deadly guns, as well as magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition."

What Judge Burns does not understand is that the ownership of such firearms are NOT only intended for self defense, they are also intended for National Defense. Notice the founding fathers in the Second Amendment make this statement very clear when they wrote "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the RIGHT of the people to keep and bear arms..." Bearing these type of arms is for the defense of freedom and IN THAT have they have "social utility." Judge Burns needs to read America's Constitution more closely. Your right to bear arms, as enforced by US LAW (The Constitution), IS NOT only intended for personal protection, but also intended for national protection. And as I have quoted before...

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

This is a quote generally accredited to Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II and mastermind of the Pearl Harbor attack. Whether it was a quote from Isoroku Yamamoto, it stands true.

The Jesus...

For Christians, it could be argued that they are to "turn the other cheek" and not defend themselves when assaulted or attacked. There are, sadly, Christians that believe this. I would point out that Jesus dude choose a means of "assault" or "attack" to make his point THAT WAS NOT LIFE THREATENING; that is to say, a mere slap in the face, something that has little chance of killing or even hurting a person. I don't know many people who have been badly injured or killed by an angry slap in the face. Not fun to be sure, but not life threatening either. Jesus dude did NOT use an example of a person who was about to kill you by running you though with a sword and advise you to stand there and take a deadly attack from a well armed person out to kill you. Jesus dude was merely pointing out that we should not lower ourselves and retaliate against such triviality and nonsense. It's not worth our time. Best to turn the other cheek and walk away and say "fuck it, life goes on, man." I think you get my point.

No, make no mistake about it, Senator Dianne Feinstein (who, by the way, has a CCW; "Carrying Concealed Weapon" permit AND routinely carries a weapon to defend herself) wants to control YOUR guns, YOUR right to defend yourself, while maintaining her own without restrictions on it or her ownership of firearms. And, who says we can IN FACT trust her to use her gun ONLY in a lawful many? Does being elected to public office guarantee she will NEVER use it illegally? Does being elected to public office automatically guarantee you can be trusted or are worthy to carry a firearm? Again; I think you get my point.

And the desired results work like a charm to disarm America. Beware; so-called "Assault Weapons" are just the beginning...

Dianne Feinstein To Introduce Assault Weapons Ban On First Day Of Congress - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/dianne-feinstein-assault-weapons-ban_n_2311477.html

Offered IMHO.

[Stever]

Very well said,dude!
I mark it an 8!

Interesting to read comments on news stories about the school shooting-have you seen some of this shit,dude?
The NRA is the root of all our problems,the NRA sells guns to anyone,all statistics about what is going down in Australia are fake,and so on..I have been reading these comments with alarm,and fear,man...the sheeple are astonishingly ill-informed,and to add to that,will not listen to facts,or logic.
Willful stupidity,and ignorance is something I personally cannot abide!

[kilteddude]

?This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!? - Adolph Hitler, 1935, on The Weapons Act of Nazi Germany

This almost sounds like something some of the current representation in congress would love to be saying in the coming months.
I read an article that was attacking some of the facts in the speech given by the NRA concerning their suggestions and opinions of the gun control debate.  One argument they made was that there were far fewer gun laws on the books than he claimed in his speech.  I don't remember the number that he claimed when he referenced federal, state, and local gun ordinances, but I couldn't help but laugh when the article I read claimed there were fewer than 300 gun control laws at those three levels combined.  I used to work for a gun store and they had a book that was specific to gun laws for the state of Ohio and it's municipalities.  That book was close to 400 pages long which makes that hard to swallow.

[Stever]

 This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!? - Adolph Hitler, 1935, on The Weapons Act of Nazi Germany

I am waiting for obama to quote this word for word,when he disarms us...
Fucking Nazis!

[DigitalBuddha]

Well said, dudes!

[cckeiser]

What the fuck dude??

And, the right of defense has NOT been granted to you by the US Constitution, it has been granted to you by God, (it is a "natural law") and, as such, it is upheld by the US Constitution, and is the law.

You lost me with that one dude. Once you bring a divinity into the conversation you degrade it to from any consideration of intelligent discourse.

[DigitalBuddha]

What the fuck dude??

And, the right of defense has NOT been granted to you by the US Constitution, it has been granted to you by God, (it is a "natural law") and, as such, it is upheld by the US Constitution, and is the law.

You lost me with that one dude. Once you bring a divinity into the conversation you degrade it to from any consideration of intelligent discourse.

True, that's the reason I also included "natural law," and really "god" as to how you perceive as such. No particular religion intended. The founding fathers were believers in god and many called themselves "deists," so a dude can't, IMHO, really discuss the thinking of the founding dudes without referring to their beliefs, beliefs that often guided their thinking as they wrote the US Constitution.

On a personal note; I'm cool with the whole "god" concept as long as your god concept doesn't turn a person into a fucking insane Taliban with it, or some other type of asshat. Its "god" as you perceive him, her, them or it.

That's just like my opinion, man.

[cckeiser]

What the fuck dude??

And, the right of defense has NOT been granted to you by the US Constitution, it has been granted to you by God, (it is a "natural law") and, as such, it is upheld by the US Constitution, and is the law.

You lost me with that one dude. Once you bring a divinity into the conversation you degrade it to from any consideration of intelligent discourse.

True, that's the reason I also included "natural law," and really "god" as to how you perceive as such. No particular religion intended. The founding fathers were believers in god and many called themselves "deists," so a dude can't, IMHO, really discuss the thinking of the founding dudes without referring to their beliefs, beliefs that often guided their thinking as they wrote the US Constitution.

On a personal note; I'm cool with the whole "god" concept as long as your god concept doesn't turn a person into a fucking insane Taliban with it, or some other type of asshat. Its "god" as you perceive him, her, them or it.

That's just like my opinion, man.

Good enough dude...mark it 8.

[BikerDude]

What the fuck dude??

And, the right of defense has NOT been granted to you by the US Constitution, it has been granted to you by God, (it is a "natural law") and, as such, it is upheld by the US Constitution, and is the law.

You lost me with that one dude. Once you bring a divinity into the conversation you degrade it to from any consideration of intelligent discourse.

You lost me too.
As the saying goes "pray in one hand and shit in the other and see which hand fills up faster".
People make the world what it is.
As far as faith goes.
I'm not comfortable with anyone claiming to know things they don't.
In anything else it's called lying. Humans tend toward a host of vices.
One of them is self delusion. Positive self delusion included.
Faith is as much a vice as pride or envy or any of the others.
Eventually the are corrosive and harmful. To the individual and to the society.

But that's just my opinion man.

[BikerDude]

What the fuck dude??

And, the right of defense has NOT been granted to you by the US Constitution, it has been granted to you by God, (it is a "natural law") and, as such, it is upheld by the US Constitution, and is the law.

You lost me with that one dude. Once you bring a divinity into the conversation you degrade it to from any consideration of intelligent discourse.

True, that's the reason I also included "natural law," and really "god" as to how you perceive as such. No particular religion intended. The founding fathers were believers in god and many called themselves "deists," so a dude can't, IMHO, really discuss the thinking of the founding dudes without referring to their beliefs, beliefs that often guided their thinking as they wrote the US Constitution.

On a personal note; I'm cool with the whole "god" concept as long as your god concept doesn't turn a person into a fucking insane Taliban with it, or some other type of asshat. Its "god" as you perceive him, her, them or it.

That's just like my opinion, man.

Well then we should really look at what they said about it....

Thomas Jefferson
"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find
in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They
are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men,
women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been
burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this
coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to
support roguery and error all over the earth."

SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS
By John E. Remsburg, letter to William Short

Jefferson again
"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on
man...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the
teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and imposters led by Paul, the
first great corruptor of the teachings of Jesus."

More Jefferson
"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for
enslaving mankind and adulturated by artificial constructions into a
contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy in fact,
constitute the real Anti-Christ."

Jefferson's word for the Bible? "Dunghill."

John Adams
"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines
and Oaths, and whole cartloads of other trumpery that we find religion
encumbered with in these days?"

Also Adams
"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for
absurdity"
etc...

None of the Founding Fathers were atheists. Most of the Founders were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that he does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books. They spoke often of God, (Nature's God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible. They did not deny that there was a person called Jesus, and praised him for his benevolent teachings, but they flatly denied his divinity. Some people speculate that if Charles Darwin had lived a century earlier, the Founding Fathers would have had a basis for accepting naturalistic origins of life, and they would have been atheists.  We'll never know; but by reading their own writings, it's clear that most of them were opposed to the bible, and the teachings of Christianity in particular.

Yes, there were Christian men among the Founders. Just as Congress removed Thomas Jefferson's words that condemned the practice of slavery in the colonies, they also altered his wording regarding equal rights. His original wording is here in blue italics: "All men are created equal and independent. From that equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable."  Congress changed that phrase, increasing its religious overtones: "All men are created equal. They are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights."  But we are not governed by the Declaration of Independence-- it is a historical document, not a constitutional one.

[DigitalBuddha]

Exactly my point; you have to research as to what they believed about "god." Check this out...

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/christian-god-three-headed-monster

[Zen Dog]

Exactly my point; you have to research as to what they believed about "god." Check this out...

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/christian-god-three-headed-monster

We anthropormorphicise 'god' because we need stories we can understand.But consider.13.7 billion years ago there was nothing, apparently, and then it exploded.All the energy that exists is finite.You can't make it,you can't destroy it.You can condense it into matter but even then if you were to remove all the space within each atom of a human the entire population of Earth would fit in a sugar cube.Time began with the big bang so we can't ask what happened before the big bang but we can ask where all that energy came from.Now THAT is the question to which the answer may or may not be 42.I could go on but I expect your eyes are glazing over.Mine certainly are.Listening to the Pasadena Roof Orchestra with a large gin martini with TWO olives. My doctor told me to eat more fruit.Merry Yule dudes.

[cckeiser]

Exactly my point; you have to research as to what they believed about "god." Check this out...

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/christian-god-three-headed-monster

We anthropormorphicise 'god' because we need stories we can understand.But consider.13.7 billion years ago there was nothing, apparently, and then it exploded.All the energy that exists is finite.You can't make it,you can't destroy it.You can condense it into matter but even then if you were to remove all the space within each atom of a human the entire population of Earth would fit in a sugar cube.Time began with the big bang so we can't ask what happened before the big bang but we can ask where all that energy came from.Now THAT is the question to which the answer may or may not be 42.I could go on but I expect your eyes are glazing over.Mine certainly are.Listening to the Pasadena Roof Orchestra with a large gin martini with TWO olives. My doctor told me to eat more fruit.Merry Yule dudes.

Skeptical Idealism 2.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw-IATxGmis

[Zen Dog]

Exactly my point; you have to research as to what they believed about "god." Check this out...

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/christian-god-three-headed-monster

We anthropormorphicise 'god' because we need stories we can understand.But consider.13.7 billion years ago there was nothing, apparently, and then it exploded.All the energy that exists is finite.You can't make it,you can't destroy it.You can condense it into matter but even then if you were to remove all the space within each atom of a human the entire population of Earth would fit in a sugar cube.Time began with the big bang so we can't ask what happened before the big bang but we can ask where all that energy came from.Now THAT is the question to which the answer may or may not be 42.I could go on but I expect your eyes are glazing over.Mine certainly are.Listening to the Pasadena Roof Orchestra with a large gin martini with TWO olives. My doctor told me to eat more fruit.Merry Yule dudes.

Skeptical Idealism 2.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw-IATxGmis

I'll go with that.Mostly.Although,the Membranes could be the dark energy/matter that is vibrating causing the illusion of vibrating strings.There are some fascinating ideas on the NDE website about conciousness.