Gun Control explained

[Zen Dog]

Fair enough.But does that mean that you are all in the militia? Like in Switzerland? If not, shouldn't 'is necessary' be substituted for 'being necessary', and the comma changed to a full stop? Then what you are saying would make more sense.
Sorry to sound pedantic but I've been a union rep and railway management are very good at setting semantic traps so I learned to read the small print a long time ago.
I've no idea who Rosie.O.Donnel is.

[Stever]

The right of the people to be armed is the last defense against tyranny.
Disarming the people is the first step of tyranny.
Outdated?
Outmoded?
Should the 2nd amendment be stricken from the Constitution?
I say not,for if that freedom is taken away,it will pave the way for more freedoms to be taken away,such as the right of free speech,which allows us to have this debate.
Thats,like my opinion,man.

[DigitalBuddha]

I can understand the right to have a gun when it was originally drawn up but now it seems outdated. Is owning a gun really that important for everyday life in America?

Outdated? When were these people all in power (see below)? Answer; The last few years. The Second Amendment of the US Constitution is just as important today as the day it was penned. I say again...........

Yes, but none of them lived in the USA. domestic gun control has got fuck all to do with dictators in other contries. your constitution was written at a time when the right to bear arms was a critical part of daily life due to the lawlessness and harsh living conditions in a large part of the USA. why the fuck do you (plural dude, not just DB) need a gun now, sitting in your cosy condo, drinking white russians, food delivered to your door? is it for snakes and what not? by a mongoose!

"Yes, but none of them lived in the USA."

You just made my point! NONE OF THEM are in the United States, You're damn right! Neither could they survive in the United States doing what those assholes did; that doesn't mean, however, that assholes like them are not here in the United States AND kept from doing what they did by our basic rights, man. Among them the right to keep and bare arms. And, if you will notice; Keeping and baring arms is a RIGHT, not a privilege.

It's like one dude, a feller wiser than myself, once said "I don't trust any government that doesn't trust it's people to own and bare arms."



Like I said, mang..............

[DigitalBuddha]

The right of the people to be armed is the last defense against tyranny.
Disarming the people is the first step of tyranny.
Outdated?
Outmoded?
Should the 2nd amendment be stricken from the Constitution?
I say not,for if that freedom is taken away,it will pave the way for more freedoms to be taken away,such as the right of free speech,which allows us to have this debate.
Thats,like my opinion,man.

"The right of the people to be armed is the last defense against tyranny."

Fucking eh!!

[Masked Dude]

It's not so much the issue of past, present, or future. The founders wanted a country where the government is afraid of the people, never the other way around. True, we vote away rights, but we can have a bloodless coup d'etat every 4 years.

Do idiots abuse guns? Sure. But no human needs a gun to be an abusive shithead. The reason it's the second is that the rights in the first (and associated penumbral rights) should be defendable by the second.

The majority of armed citizens are responsible and safe with firearms. Don't let kneejerk stories make you think there are hordes of gun-toting fucknuts destroying Happytown.

[DigitalBuddha]

It's not so much the issue of past, present, or future. The founders wanted a country where the government is afraid of the people, never the other way around. True, we vote away rights, but we can have a bloodless coup d'etat every 4 years.

Do idiots abuse guns? Sure. But no human needs a gun to be an abusive shithead. The reason it's the second is that the rights in the first (and associated penumbral rights) should be defendable by the second.

The majority of armed citizens are responsible and safe with firearms. Don't let kneejerk stories make you think there are hordes of gun-toting fucknuts destroying Happytown.

Well said, dude.

[Stever]

I have found this debate very interesting and enlightening for an English perspective and it's taken until now for me to get a handle on why the whole issue makes me feel uncomfortable.You see, having been in the military,6yrs RN,10 yrs RAuxAF I know the level of training required to handle a weapon safely.Which is why the thought of an untrained person just being able to go to a shop and buy an automatic weapon over the counter fills me with dread.

I understand your feelings exactly,dude,but from my personal experience,I am more trained,and qualified to handle a weapon than any police officer I have ever encountered!
I have stood in a police "ready room",its floors,walls,and ceiling riddled with bullet holes,all from those officers fumbling with sidearms!
I have called 911,after being attacked,and shot at,stabbed,the UNARMED victim,nearly shot by the police,arrested briefly..
I have been pulled over my my local police,for having SNOW ON MY LICENSE PLATE,and ordered from my car at gunpoint for this horrible crime..do I trust the police to PROTECT me? NO..Do I fear the police? YES!
My training with guns began at around the age of 8 or 9-I was trained by my father( bless him),who taught me weapons the way he was taught in the army.
Safety,and the utmost respect,and no loss of focus is required.
Too many police officers wear guns,the same way I would wear a hat,almost as some sort of an accessory to their uniform,and are vastly untrained,and unqualified to handle a weapon.
The gun owners I know can not only out shoot them,but know more about the weapons than the average cop will ever know.
There are a lot of untrained,fuck-nuts buying guns,and I,and others,will do our best to take them aside,and give them the help they badly need,to be safe,and responsible-that is about all we can do.
I mean no disrespect to you,sir,and I fully understand your dread..I feel it too..I would like to see some sort of training course to be completed before the purchase of a weapon.
Some folks,sadly,can not be trusted,even with a butter knife,and would need this training,to take on the responsibility of owning a gun.

[rev-jaholbrook]

My thing is that typically (although not always) people that buy guns in the states are responsible.  The problem mostly lies in the fact that criminals aren't responsible with firearms.  The only people gun control laws help are criminals.  To be honest, I would hope every one of my neighbors have a gun.  I spent time in the military so obviously I can handle one but I also grew up in a rural area where hunting is a big deal. So firearms are treated with respect.  Should there be a training for those that need it, you bet.  The problem is that phrase "Guns kill people" is used and is false.  Guns don't kill.  Criminals and ignorant and inexperienced people kill people. Just my opinion man.

[Stever]

Amen!
I had to add this-something I was not aware of until I went to my local store..
There is now a 3 day waiting period,and the same paperwork,and all for BLACK POWDER GUNS!
WTF?..When was the last time someone robbed,or shot anyone with a fucking FLINTLOCK,or cap and ball gun?...dude..you cant even get a flintlock KIT gun,that you gotta finish,and put together,without major hassle.I think my state ( IL) has gone over the line,man!

[Zen Dog]

Now that is ironic.It is relatively easy to get a shotgun licence in this country although it will take more than 3 days.But talking of black powder,a shotgun licence is all you need to own a musket.We have a lot of historic reenactors here of all periods but the second most popular is the ACW (after the ECW) and they have no bother at all providing you haven't got a record.On the face of it the enthusiasm may seem strange but it's a fact that 12,000 volunteers went to America to join in.Dr Livingstones son was killed in action and Stanley who was Welsh fought on both sides.

[Stever]

I think I am going to buy a tank...less paperwork,dude!
Well..you cant roll on the streets,but you can legally buy some sweet armored vehicle..I saw a 6 wheeled black,fully armored swat vehicle that you could buy...why are things like that for sale to any fuck-nut with a credit card?
Imagine the holy fuck damage some nut could do with that!
Just sayin...

[Zen Dog]

A mate of mine owns several.Another enthusiast.You need a shotgun licence for them would you believe but thats all.Don't even require road tax as they are classed as tractors.Although you need a second mortgage just to start the engine.They are very thirsty.

[Stever]

I hear about 6 miles per gallon of gas... but you will look pretty cool,though!

[milnie]

ah, just got your meaning now DB about none of the dick-tators being in the USA. i would point out there are plenty of countries where firearm ownership is not widely done and there haven't been any dictators for quite a while - look at australia, and they were all criminals originally
anyhoo, to move matters along ... Lemmy has a tank! its an old german WWII one i think. He's a bit of a Nazi memorabilia collector

[DigitalBuddha]

ah, just got your meaning now DB about none of the dick-tators being in the USA. i would point out there are plenty of countries where firearm ownership is not widely done and there haven't been any dictators for quite a while - look at australia, and they were all criminals originally
anyhoo, to move matters along ... Lemmy has a tank! its an old german WWII one i think. He's a bit of a Nazi memorabilia collector

Every part of the world is different. Take a look at Israel (heavily armed); they have to be or face guaranteed destruction and death. If the Jews of Germany would have been well armed and organized, hitler would not have been able to do what the asshole did in the 40's.