Children beaten till they bled

[DigitalBuddha]

Your post Db Your Post!

You are correct, Sir. True point.

[Andrea Da Fino]

It isn't a coincidence that there are no muslim dudes here, not at all.

That's racism dude. Plain and simple.

I guess not, let me explain better my point. I think that it is not a coincidence if here on the forum there are no people born into Islam who joined Dudeism. I'm not talking about someone who can be born into Catholicism, maybe later moved to Islam and then comes to Dudeism (which is cool anyway), I was pointing to the fact that for one reason or another muslims usually do not change religion and that they must, due to their religion, support each other whatever they do, am I wrong?

Given your experience you surely know better than me and I can just say what I see here in Italy, facts like that a journalist who moved from Islam to Catholicism has to move with bodyguards. Or that a father killed his daughter because she wanted to marry an Italian Catholic. I know it happens all the time everywhere in the world but it's not so common that it's done for religious reasons, right?

And while I agree with you that fundamentalists are just a little part of muslims still living in the Middle Age (just like their Catholic and Jew compeers) it must be also said that all the rest never, or almost never if you prefer, raise his voice to stop them. They just go as far as to say "That's not Islam", or "That's not in the Qumran" but they don't move a finger about them. Which in my humble opinion means that they dig them. At the end they're slaying unbelievers or people who doesn't believe enough and given that if they are good muslim they go to Heaven everything is cool anyway.

We can see this as an open question: Is there any Muslim born Muslim who has turned to Dudeism? And for the sake of Fairness Is there any Jew born Jew who has turned to Dudeism?

Is it my fault if I'm just fucking curious?

This has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with seeing things as they are without preconcepts either in one sense or in the other. For me if someone is a fucking fundamentalist it is such whatever his religion. And no, I don't judge people based on the color of their skin, and this means that your color isn't an excuse for your behavior. I always try to stick to the dude-undude thing.

But as usual this is just my opinion, and I can be wrong.

[Andrea Da Fino]

Well Cd, you can have your opinion as well as I can have mine, and if I've really said something wrong be sure that either DB or someone else will send me to bed without dinner. And take away my beer for a month.

For what I know about Islam if you were really a muslim you could not be in this place. Allah and The Dude don't go hand in hand and it's not The Dude fault. Dudeism accepts everyone but not everyone accepts Dudeism.

Also even if there is no Head Cleric in Islam no muslim in the whole universe can move away from the Qumran, and the Qumran has no interpretation, you just have to stick with it, much worse than with the Bible. As a matter of fact to be a religious boss there you just have to know the Qumran word by word and to get its teaching it is advised to learn it in Arab and not other languages as in the translation some part misses. That's what I know, but again I might be wrong.

So next book I'll read will be the Qumran so I'll know better wtf I'm talking about, not that I know the Bible word by word anyway, oh well.

The point about muslim dudes was taken from another thread which I don't remember about the various openness degrees of different religions. It would be a pleasure to know that someone can be at the same time a muslim and a dude or a jew and a dude. But I'm talking about people born in those religions, not like Walter.

Imdo. 

[Hominid]

Point well taken Andrea,

Something to remember is that middle eastern culture *IS* religion - they live and breathe it like it is life itself. Western faiths (and some of Europe's) aren't as multi-generational and culturally engrained. So, with "new" countries like Canada and the US, our culture is still evolving... I think that is what's behind the Muslim reticence to become Dudeist priests - it's an affront to the sensibilities, their beliefs, even their social mores. I'm not trying to over simplify here, but I think this offers a little insight into the question about Muslims and their non-involvement in Dudeism.

IMDO!

[Andrea Da Fino]

Thanks Hominid Dude. I'm not here to scam anyone or offend anyone, obviously, it's just that I see almost every religion represented in Dudeism except those two. And this raises questions but it might be that I'm just fucking curious. Or that really there is something "strange" with them.

I don't like fundamentalists and their supporters wherever they come from. Especially if they plainly say "We'll follow your rules until we'll be enough, then you'll follow ours".

Well, let's go bowling. 

[Caesar dude]

You make a lot of good points in your posts and I agree with the most important ones and can now clearly see where you are coming from.

This is a quote from Wiki:

Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ارتداد, irtidād or ridda‎) is commonly defined in Islam as the rejection in word or deed of one's former religion (apostasy) by a person who was previously a follower of Islam. The Qur'an itself does not prescribe any earthly punishment for apostasy; Islamic scholarship differs on its punishment, ranging from execution ? on an interpretation of certain hadiths ? to no punishment at all as long as they "do not work against the Muslim society or nation."[1] According to Islamic law apostasy is identified by a list of actions such as conversion to another religion, denying the existence of God, rejecting the prophets, mocking God or the prophets, idol worship, rejecting the sharia, or permitting behavior that is forbidden by the sharia, such as adultery.[

Now that shit is fucked up!

If a Muslim dude joined this site he could be executed for it or just told not to preach against Islam.

Imagine being killed for joining a website! ?

Peace Andrea

[DigitalBuddha]

You make a lot of good points in your posts and I agree with the most important ones and can now clearly see where you are coming from.

This is a quote from Wiki:

Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ارتداد, irtidād or ridda‎) is commonly defined in Islam as the rejection in word or deed of one's former religion (apostasy) by a person who was previously a follower of Islam. The Qur'an itself does not prescribe any earthly punishment for apostasy; Islamic scholarship differs on its punishment, ranging from execution ? on an interpretation of certain hadiths ? to no punishment at all as long as they "do not work against the Muslim society or nation."[1] According to Islamic law apostasy is identified by a list of actions such as conversion to another religion, denying the existence of God, rejecting the prophets, mocking God or the prophets, idol worship, rejecting the sharia, or permitting behavior that is forbidden by the sharia, such as adultery.[

Now that shit is fucked up!

If a Muslim dude joined this site he could be executed for it or just told not to preach against Islam.

Imagine being killed for joining a website! ?

Peace Andrea

This is one reason Walter called them "camel fuckers." "Looking for reverse in a Soviet tank" was Walter's way of explaining how backward and ignorant these people are. This ignorant fool thinks the world is flat......................



Muslim scientist says world is flat and sun revolves earth because Koran says so.

Check out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5O79MgjinI

[Andrea Da Fino]

No problem Caesar Dude, I knew it was just a matter of misunderstanding, also your f***ing English language is different from Italian. 

Actually there are many things I dig about Middle East but I find difficult understanding their religion, and this is sometimes complicated because 95 percent of times as Hominid Dude said their religion is their culture.

My idea about cool religions is people around a table drinking, eating and having a good time whatever their background or culture and debating about life's misteries while getting drunk. Because it's while getting drunk that you have clear glimpses of the universal bowling lane. 

Well, honestly I dig every culture which is dude-like but don't like fundamentalists and female-haters. This has also a lot to do with the fact that I dig females dressed in viking suits.

Glad we've understood each other better Caesar Dude compeer. Let's have a beer! 

[Andrea Da Fino]

So the world isn't flat? Ohhh, that's interesting, that's very interesting. Let me take another look down there. 

[DigitalBuddha]

So the world isn't flat? Ohhh, that's interesting, that's very interesting. Let me take another look down there. 

Obviously that muslim isn't a golfer.

[Hominid]

Laughable, man...

[DigitalBuddha]

Laughable, man...

Bush league psyched out stuff, laughable, man!