Children beaten till they bled

[Rev. Ed C]

I hear you dude, just like the laws of physics aren't responsible for the A-bomb, but religion is FAR too much of an excuse for this shit, as well as a convenient justification for it.  Yes, it's the people that are corrupt, but if these religious writings didn't give so much leeway in interpretation, perhaps Sharia law wouldn't exist in the first place. Which is my point... You wouldn't get away with this in Canada or the US. Again, the behavior is ENSHRINED in Sharia law...

That's true, but Sharia Law is not a constant.  Every Islamic state uses different aspects or interpretations of Sharia Law.

There has been talk of introducing some Sharia Law into the UK.  There was much outrage at the mention of it, thinking it would allow Muslims to beat and rape their wives, and all sorts.  What was ACTUALLY intended was to allow Sharia Law to settle civil disputes in Muslim communities, where such rules hold clout.  Any actual crime committed under UK law still applies, but we don't have the same community laws that are comtimes needed to settle arguments and small civil matters.  It would merely mean extending UK law to ease strain on our legal system somewhat, with respect to our peaceful Muslim Brits.

Sharia Law is just another form of interpretation.  But then again, how many people do you know who interpret your own national laws differently?  Some people think laws against drugs and media piracy are stupid and can be broken freely...

Laws can be hazy and each country chooses its own (just look at Gary Glitter, fleeing the UK after child abuse allegations to Thailand... where they have the death penalty for that sort of thing, what a twat!), and Sharia Law is no different in that respect... but yeah, I agree that people can be too beholden to a set of laws described at the Law of God.

I'm glad I live in an enlightened (well, kindof), multicultural, multi-faith society where we don't get bogged down with this kind of thing

[Rev. Ed C]

...and the human race is supposedly "evolved".  Pfff.... If anyone ever catches me complaining about my life, just shoot me.

Save a bullet for me, man :/

[Hominid]

...and the human race is supposedly "evolved".  Pfff.... If anyone ever catches me complaining about my life, just shoot me.

Save a bullet for me, man :/

Good thread dude, it's fortunate we have such access to this information, otherwise I wouldn't give a shit.

[Rev. Ed C]

Good thread dude, it's fortunate we have such access to this information, otherwise I wouldn't give a shit.

Fuckin' A!

Well, they say ignorance is bliss.  But what did being happy ever solve?  Heh...

[Hominid]

Happiness is an end unto itself.  You not know Buddhism?



Or Abraham Hicks?

[Rev. Ed C]

Happiness is an end unto itself.  You not know Buddhism?



Or Abraham Hicks?

That's true, but ignorance brings about our own bliss... not that of those in need.  Sometimes we have to sacrifice our own happiness (by way of knowledge like that which you've shared with us in this thread) to help other obtain the happiness that comes so easy to us.  Not that you don't know that, I'm sure, but I'm just expressing my point

I think there is more value in happiness earned rather than happiness obtained by acts of blissful ignorance.  Happiness may help end my cycle of suffering, but I think my compassion and support for people like Amnesty International will bring me better karma in the long run

And that's what I love about Dudeism.  None of us are happy because we're ignorant, we're happy because we're in the know, even if sometimes it puts a strain on us, we can suffer and bare it.  Dudes don't turn their backs on Dudes in need of Dudeliness (to coin a phrase from Ceaser Dude)

[Andrea Da Fino]

It might be that Sharia and other common uptight behaviors are not part of the wonderful open minded religion that is Islam, nevertheless anytime these things happen, even in the West, no muslim stands up and says "this aggression will not stand". And if they don't condemn it they agree with it.

Some people think the Catholic church is bad, let's see what will happen when muslims will be the majority somewhere in the West. And the fact that here it seems these things don't happen is simply because authorities look the other way to avoid hassles or being accused of religious intolerance. This is not intolerance, it's that they are full of fundamentalist zealots. And no one will ever do something against them until they'll have the biggest oil reserves in the world.

It might be I'm not that intelligent but I see no difference between those who beat children till they bled or pederasts, whatever their proclamed religion. Anyway I once read an article detailing that after talibans left and USA arrived in Afghanistan one of the first thing Afgans did was to reopen bars were males under 10 do what you can imagine for Afghans customers. And the interesting thig is that those bars were closed by talibans who are zealots like.

It isn't a coincidence that there are no muslim dudes here, not at all.

Sorry for the rant but I'm tired that muslims can do whatever they want around the world because that's their religion and no one tells them that they can't. But when I'll met an open minded muslim I'm ready to change my mind. If it will ever happen. Sufi excluded because they're already cool.

[Rev. Ed C]

...anytime these things happen, even in the West, no Muslim stands up and says "this aggression will not stand". And if they don't condemn it they agree with it.

That may the a cultural thing.  Or it may be that they don't speak loud enough because they're too busy keeping their heads down whilst the crosshairs are out.

A lot of ethnic communities in the UK keep themselves to themselves for various reasons.   Some are genuinely insular, some are isolated and some keep close together in fear of some aggression they get from the outside.  There are plenty of outspoken Muslims/Iranian ex-pats in this country who condemn Iran and it's polices and laws, but some keep hidden in fear of being discovered by the people they escaped from.

It's a complex issue, but at least we all agree on the main point of the article:  The guys who did this to those children are despicable people of the highest order.

[Hominid]

Right on Ed and Andrea - it's the people we are to blame; religion is secondary.  I'll rant on about the evils of religion because it's such a convenient springboard for any whacko to do their sick shit, but it truly is what's in people's hearts that is to blame.

[DigitalBuddha]

Right on Ed and Andrea - it's the people we are to blame; religion is secondary.  I'll rant on about the evils of religion because it's such a convenient springboard for any whacko to do their sick shit, but it truly is what's in people's hearts that is to blame.

Ultimately it does come to people, you can't use your religion to excuse inhuman behavior. The nazis' attempted that in Nuremberg. It didn't fly. But, as Lenin said (yes, it was Marx, but Lenin is close enough), "religion is the opium of the the people." Or in my words; too much religion is like too much beer, it clouds the minds of many people and turns otherwise reasonable normal people into maniacs, tyrants and killers.

People who hang 17 year old rape victims are so far gone in anything that is even vaguely human, decent and compassionate that I fear it will take brute force to stop them. Across this line they MUST NOT be permitted to go.

[Andrea Da Fino]

Hominid you're fucking correct. It's the fucking human nature of those fundamentalists which is wrong. Dudeism attracts dudes or wanna be dudes and fundamentalists points of view attract fundamentalists. Anyway no one goes against Sharia, they just go as long as to say that it's not their prophet work but they go on with it. And it's taken along wherever they go, even in UK. If you think that here in Italy they do infibulation like in  their country because no one wants to mess with religious issues and because they keep it secret since it's their culture. Those fuckers are crazy and still living in Middle Age. And those of them who don't accept rules get, well, convinced by family and friends.

[DigitalBuddha]

Those fuckers are crazy and still living in Middle Age.

Fuckin' eh.

[Caesar dude]

It isn't a coincidence that there are no muslim dudes here, not at all.

That's racism dude. Plain and simple.

[DigitalBuddha]

It isn't a coincidence that there are no muslim dudes here, not at all.

That's racism dude. Plain and simple.

For me, the issue here, C dude, is sharia law, which I have to agree is out of the middle ages, idiocy, in no way compatible with the 21st century, and my view is that it IS barbaric. Having said that; in no way does that infer that every Muslim is barbaric, obviously there are the majority Muslims who are everyday decent human beings. I know a couple of Muslims who are very fine people and who are sickened by what they see radical Islamist doing today.

As far as there not being many Muslims here on the chat board; that is true and I am not sure why, I would love to see more Muslim dudes on the forum. I think we have had one or two. It might be due to the fact that there is some (underscore SOME) slander of Muslims in TBL; i.e., "camel fuckers," and "looking for reverse in a Soviet tank," etc. That could have some affect on Muslims being turned off to Dudeism.

The ones that are "crazy" as I mention above, are the terrorists, the judges that hang 17 year old raped girls, and the assholes who engage in so-called "honor killings," etc. Those are the "camel fuckers" who are insane.

As always, dude, IMHO

[Caesar dude]

I'll try that again:

It isn't a coincidence that there are no muslim dudes here, not at all.

It's a quote from Mr. Defino

I think that is racist and an affront to everyone on these boards.

How does he know that? I might be a Muslim as may any other dude here. Dudeism is not exclusivism as I am lead to believe.

We sort of pride our selves on our openness and impartiality and that broad statement does not fill me with warmth and good fuzzies!

As you may know I lived in the Middle East in Abu Dhabi for ten years. I was employed as an instructor and advisor to their military personnel.

During that time I was living in the Capitol and was subject to Shariah Law. I still have all my limbs and as far as I know all my female friends both Western and Emirati have theirs.

Sharia Law whilst clearly written in the middle ages and is used as a foundation to Islam is no harsher than the ten Commandments.

It is how and who upholds their interpretation of that law that differs. Muslims have no Chief Cleric or Pope. They have several  different chief clerics. Sudanese, Iranian, Saudi, etc. This filters down to the third world countries who have their own Chiefs and clerics and who interpret the law in their own way

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is similar to being caught speeding in New York City or bumfuck nowhere Arizona...the law will apply but let me interpret the punishment. New York a fine.... Arizona? Well we've all seen Deliverance!

(The last sentence was a joke to enlighten the whole proceedings!)

The ones that are "crazy" as I mention above, are the terrorists, the judges that hang 17 year old raped girls, and the assholes who engage in so-called "honor killings," etc. Those are the "camel fuckers" who are insane

The ones that are crazy are us are every single one of us who stands still and does fuck all while this happens, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16216174

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