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Living the Life of the Dude / Re: The duality of Dude
« Last post by BikerDude on July 17, 2019, 08:14:10 AM »
Well yeah but if the Dude just let it go and never went to the Big Lebowski none of the bad stuff would have happened.
But would that have been the correct course?
...
What does the flick preach. Donnie is the character that absolutely always lets aggression stand and he dies.

The rational part of my brain tells me it's a movie. If he had just said, "You know what, I'm the Dude, life goes on, fuck it," then we wouldn't have a movie. We'd have a short YouTube video. So of course he had to do something.

In the real world, sometimes we do things that we feel we need to do. Others look at it and say it's not important, move on, don't bother. I had to use the phrase "it's the principle," because often even the person saying that realizes it's nothing major. Maybe the Dude wanted the Big Lebowski to own up to his wrongdoings? After all, if the Dude screwed up, he'd admit it (I'm guessing here; I'm not a Coen brother). But the Big Lebowski, being who he is, says no, it's your fault, you bum.

Donnie only died because he got caught up in this whole shebang. If it had just been resolved, Donnie might have died an old man with no overwhelming problems. Maybe he would've liked it that way. The reason I don't just say, OK, Donnie died because he never confronted anyone, is because Walter lives fine. I can't say never let the aggression stand because then we could argue that we should Walter-esque assholes all the time.

Just my $0.02, but I think Donnie was the character like we all have in our lives. He's overlooked and pushed aside. When he's gone, you realize you didn't appreciate it when you had it.

But again, it wouldn't be a good story if it was real life.

Yeah it is just a movie.
But it is making some very interesting observations and there's a lot of in's and out's.
That's the point. So yeah the plot feeds these observations.

Yes Donnie did only die because he got caught up in the whole shebang. Which he had no hand in creating.
But he could have walked away. He could have urged the Dude to let it go and not confront the Big L.
He could have done a lot of things but in the end he was Donnie. He did nothing. And he was the character who died.
I don't think Walter provides a counter to the idea that Donnie died for simply going along it provides proof.
Walter did do fine. And the Dude was able to abide because Walter took on the nihilists.
Walter was a prick to Donnie who didn't deserve it. But also a prick to the nihilists who did.
For me one of the main questions that the movie explores is whether aggression is ever the right path.
And it shows just how complicated a question it is.
It was certainly correct in the case of the nihilists.
The Dude is a bridge between Walter and Donnie.
He is not incapable of aggression. He shows this several times in the show.
But generally he's chill. Part Walter and Part Donnie.

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At the table in the kitchen, there were three bowls of porridge.  Goldilocks was hungry.  She tasted the porridge from the first bowl.
"This porridge is too hot!" she exclaimed.
So, she tasted the porridge from the second bowl.
"This porridge is too cold," she said
So, she tasted the last bowl of porridge.
"Ahhh, this porridge is just right," she said happily and she ate it all up.

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Thanks for recommending this, I'm quarter way through, makes alot of sense. Values, Metric Measure, Dissappointment panda, all of it
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Is that some kind of Eastern thing? / Re: My pearls so far...
« Last post by BikerDude on July 17, 2019, 07:58:53 AM »
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Is that some kind of Eastern thing? / Re: My pearls so far...
« Last post by First Last on July 16, 2019, 03:53:09 PM »
Thanks dude!

This is the only forum on the Internet where people do not routinely attack each other, fucking A!

I agree with your point, if you can only get people to agree with you by outward violence, insult, peer pressure, fear regime, manipulation, leverage, harassment or even passive aggression its not a good idea in the first place. I dislike control groups. The modern adult tantrums over spilt milk are the most embarrassing spectacles to behold in this ever evolving Self agrandising and self regard in place of honour, balance, and humble abiding.

It's sad that so many have to give themselves labels, and with those labels they have to follow an assigned dogma, and even prove rigid identity to the label through making group spectacles of themselves. The tao swirls in circles, looking for black and white in a swirling sea of changing greys is fools gold. You end up believing in nothing or hitting people for verging off that narrow path.

I want the ancient toga philosophers to come back. They debated with opposite opinions with respect. Screaming violence with a symbol sucks.
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Living the Life of the Dude / Re: The duality of Dude
« Last post by Masked Dude on July 16, 2019, 12:43:18 PM »
Well yeah but if the Dude just let it go and never went to the Big Lebowski none of the bad stuff would have happened.
But would that have been the correct course?
...
What does the flick preach. Donnie is the character that absolutely always lets aggression stand and he dies.

The rational part of my brain tells me it's a movie. If he had just said, "You know what, I'm the Dude, life goes on, fuck it," then we wouldn't have a movie. We'd have a short YouTube video. So of course he had to do something.

In the real world, sometimes we do things that we feel we need to do. Others look at it and say it's not important, move on, don't bother. I had to use the phrase "it's the principle," because often even the person saying that realizes it's nothing major. Maybe the Dude wanted the Big Lebowski to own up to his wrongdoings? After all, if the Dude screwed up, he'd admit it (I'm guessing here; I'm not a Coen brother). But the Big Lebowski, being who he is, says no, it's your fault, you bum.

Donnie only died because he got caught up in this whole shebang. If it had just been resolved, Donnie might have died an old man with no overwhelming problems. Maybe he would've liked it that way. The reason I don't just say, OK, Donnie died because he never confronted anyone, is because Walter lives fine. I can't say never let the aggression stand because then we could argue that we should Walter-esque assholes all the time.

Just my $0.02, but I think Donnie was the character like we all have in our lives. He's overlooked and pushed aside. When he's gone, you realize you didn't appreciate it when you had it.

But again, it wouldn't be a good story if it was real life.
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Is that some kind of Eastern thing? / Re: My pearls so far...
« Last post by BikerDude on July 16, 2019, 10:11:45 AM »
But personally I'm not down with the "conduit of cells" stuff.
Once you get all eastern I'm out.
But the conceptual amalgam of personalities/ideas/beliefs is wicked cool.
The Navajo story is great. Flintstones Freudian is very great.
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Is that some kind of Eastern thing? / Re: My pearls so far...
« Last post by BikerDude on July 16, 2019, 08:01:15 AM »
Or is Nietzsche is too heavy I'll leave to the John Luc Picard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L61ZCN8rrWw
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Living the Life of the Dude / Re: The duality of Dude
« Last post by BikerDude on July 16, 2019, 07:31:11 AM »
For me, and that's just, like, my opinion. the Dude starts off as being unrealistic. I have to admit that when I first watched the movie at the beginning I wasn't cheering or booing him. But then bad stuff happens to him, he copes the best way he can, and then he does what he feels he must. Then he lets it go because it'll be the 10th soon enough.

And that's pretty much one of the ways to be dudely. Sometimes life throws lemons, limes, oranges, and papayas at us. We can either get pissed off and yell at the damn citrus or we can enjoy it.

There's a quote that I'll paraphrase: It doesn't matter how many times you get kicked down, it's how many times you get back up.

Well yeah but if the Dude just let it go and never went to the Big Lebowski none of the bad stuff would have happened.
But would that have been the correct course?
Should we let aggression stand man?
What is it that makes a man?
A pair of testicles or doing the right thing no matter the cost.
Obviously it's a balance. And where the line falls depends on whether you are a nihilist or Walter or the Dude or Donnie.
What does the flick preach. Donnie is the character that absolutely always lets aggression stand and he dies.
Smoky was a pacifist. Nobody fucks with the Jesus (but of course 8 year olds Dude).
In the end this is the conceit of the story for me. It's not every set in stone and most importantly shouldn't be.
It's a balance of principle and self interest. A never ending debate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyLdtG7KZvw
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Is that some kind of Eastern thing? / Re: My pearls so far...
« Last post by BikerDude on July 16, 2019, 07:19:43 AM »
Excellent words!
I actually think that being all those things and more is being the dude.
I've come to see him as a vessel.
A conduit for a portion of everything around him.
The key to being un-dude is IMO drinking any one particular flavor of metephorical cool aid.
Currently there is a very un-dude narrative that is ravaging our beach communities that reliably hides it's evil behind a false veil of compassion.
We are more than familiar with them in several stripes whether it is the screaming inbeciles on college campuses or the black masked cowards taking to the streets.
In my opinion it would be the Dude's modesty or lack of certainty that would deliver him from buying into this BS.
He might have occupied various administrative building but to him Nancy was cool.

Nietzsche wrote about these ass clowns long before the current crop appeared....

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Thus I speak to you in a parable-you who make souls whirl, you preachers of equality. To me you are tarantulas, and secretly vengeful. But I shall bring your secrets to light; therefore I laugh in your faces with my laughter of the heights. Therefore I tear at your webs, that your rage may lure you out of your lie-holes and your revenge may leap out from behind your word justice. For that man be delivered from revenge, that is for me the bridge to the highest hope, and a rainbow after long storms.

The tarantulas, of course, would have it otherwise. "What justice means to us is precisely that the world be filled with the storms of our revenge"-thus they speak to each other. "We shall wreak vengeance and abuse on all whose equals we are not"-thus do the tarantula-hearts vow. "And 'will to equality' shall henceforth be the name for virtue; and against all that has power we want to raise our clamor!"

You preachers of equality, the tyrannical mania of impotence clamors thus out of you for equality: your most secret ambitions to be tyrants thus shroud themselves in words of virtue. Aggrieved conceit, repressed envy-perhaps the conceit and envy of your fathers-erupt from you as a flame and as the frenzy of revenge.
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The Bar is Over Here / Re: stella astros
« Last post by First Last on July 14, 2019, 08:06:30 AM »
I find Stella to be aggression head juice

I'm liking box steam red Amber wish it was carbonated though



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