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Democracy in action
« on: September 28, 2016, 07:48:10 AM »
Doesnt it just make a person feel optimistic?
They used to talk about these folks as "the silent majority"
I miss the silent part personally.


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Re: Democracy in action
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2016, 04:47:24 AM »
It makes me wonder what the hell are they thinking?!. These "sheople" follow blindly without question and can't really answer anything without some bullshit excuse.
Their only concern, is how things affect them now, not in the future. Its the same with the conservatives over here.

We're all dooooomed, I tell ya!

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Re: Democracy in action
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2016, 09:10:57 AM »
It makes me wonder what the hell are they thinking?!. These "sheople" follow blindly without question and can't really answer anything without some bullshit excuse.
Their only concern, is how things affect them now, not in the future. Its the same with the conservatives over here.

We're all dooooomed, I tell ya!

I wish they actually would concern themselves with what effects them now.
They may think they are but Trump is the latest rich guy who comes from a rich upbringing who tells the average person that the answer to their economic problems is to make him richer. And people buy it.
And then to believe that he gives fuck one about things like immigration.
He has employed illegal immigrant multiple times in his career.
He talks about keeping companies in the US while almost 100% of his new business development has been overseas.
It's so transparently a charade that it makes me sick to watch.
The working class needs to learn the lessons of their great grand parents.
Corporations and the wealthy want you to be as poor as they can make you without causing revolution.
It's a dynamic that was their yesterday is here today and will be here tomorrow.
The traditional comfort that the average person enjoys was hard won.
Today with a media controlled by a few corporations the message has enlisted the working class. And until people wake up its going to get worse and worse until it results in turmoil. And the corporatocracy is preparing for that with increasing surveillance and a militarized police force. Eventually the jigg is going to be up. I'm not a tin foil hat guy but things like the efforts by a company like Monsanto to control the entire food supply are shocking. And the positively jaw dropping move that they have made to buy the private army Blackwater has no comfortable explaining. Why in God's name would a company making GMO seeds and agricultural products own the world's largest private army?
Well that was a tirade.
Calmer than you are.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2016, 10:30:59 AM by BikerDude »


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Re: Democracy in action
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2016, 11:01:53 AM »
Trump is the latest rich guy who comes from a rich upbringing who tells the average person that the answer to their economic problems is to make him richer. And people buy it.

Gotta love that "trickle down economics"

Example: Donald Trump
Claims to be worth billions, yet pays zero (yes zero) federal taxes (he's been claiming real-estate losses since 2008)
Creates jobs... in China
Bribes politician to get $850,000,000 in "tax incentives"
Does not pay small businesses for the work they do for him
Declares bankruptcy several times, leaving investors with the debt
Pays court-ordered fines using money from his "charity" (donated by other people, tax-free)

So yeah, there is your trickle down economics in action... the rich abuse whatever you give them... and never trickle it down
« Last Edit: September 29, 2016, 11:03:39 AM by The Dude Shepherd »

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Re: Democracy in action
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2016, 01:50:48 PM »
It's like Lenin said, "You look for the one who benefits".

Perhaps it is time for us losers, deadbeats and people the square community doesn't give a shit about to take the rug from underneath them, after all, we have Fuck It tattooed on our foreheads.

There never was any damn money and she kidnapped herself, man!

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Re: Democracy in action
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2016, 02:30:59 PM »
Trump is the latest rich guy who comes from a rich upbringing who tells the average person that the answer to their economic problems is to make him richer. And people buy it.

Gotta love that "trickle down economics"

Example: Donald Trump
Claims to be worth billions, yet pays zero (yes zero) federal taxes (he's been claiming real-estate losses since 2008)
Creates jobs... in China
Bribes politician to get $850,000,000 in "tax incentives"
Does not pay small businesses for the work they do for him
Declares bankruptcy several times, leaving investors with the debt
Pays court-ordered fines using money from his "charity" (donated by other people, tax-free)

So yeah, there is your trickle down economics in action... the rich abuse whatever you give them... and never trickle it down

And even if you try to evaluate the idea rationally it makes zero sense.
If you won a billion dollars today would you work harder tomorrow?
Fuck no!
You work hard when you need money.
It's the same when you are wealthy.
Tax the crap out of the rich and let them pay less for every new job they create.
You'll get new jobs in a hurry.

It's human nature.
The last time thing were this good for the ultra wealthy was right before the great depression. The greatest period of expansion had a top tax rate of what like 90%?
Development projects as tax shelters were very popular.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2016, 02:34:02 PM by BikerDude »


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Re: Democracy in action
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2016, 05:43:54 AM »
I never believed I was a tin foil hat guy until I started actually paying attention to what was going on. Now I consistently feel like I should be in my shack with newspaper on the windows and tin foil on my head, blathering on about the radio signals in my teeth.

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Re: Democracy in action
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2016, 03:08:37 PM »
If the DNC didn't want a Trump presidency, they shouldn't have committed electoral fraud during the Nevada primaries (and elsewhere) to coronate a woman who has a lifetime of scandal behind her and who recently had an adverse finding from the United States Office of the Inspector fucking General, the nation's chief auditor, regarding her use of a private email server to hide all communications from oversight while serving as Secretary of State.

Trump is preferable to Clinton. He was complicit in starting fewer unnecessary wars, so he has killed fewer millions of brown people. Trump is the DNC's fault. I prefer a wildcard president over a guaranteed corrupt warmonger president. Trump, at least, champions isolationism.

Prominent journalists covering the issue: 
Dan Rolle: https://twitter.com/danrolle 
H.A. Goodman: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDB5XReUyyqt-FTNdkzFN-A 
David Seaman: https://www.youtube.com/user/davidseamanonline 

Important documents or videos: 
OIG Report: https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-16-03.pdf 
Judicial Watch panel discussion of scandal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsgapaYCs40 
House Committe Grills FBI Directory Comey re. email investigation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIL38se8nzM 

Where I find this stuff: 
Top Links, Hillary for Prison subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/HillaryForPrison/top/?sort=top&t=all 
Top Links, DNCLeaks subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/DNCleaks/top/?sort=top&t=all 

Please, while Trump is very much deserving of criticism, there is a greater evil to be panicking about here. Clinton was instrumental in approving the war in Iraq and in the destabilization of the Middle East, and in implementing "tough on crime" drug demonizing policies during the 90's. She has more blood on her hands than we will ever know.

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Re: Democracy in action
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2016, 07:05:32 PM »
Who ever said that Clinton was any less a piece of shit?
Trump does give me pause because he seems to consistently give indication that he is a pretty dim bulb. The latest that I saw was when he said that ISIS is on a "campaign of Genesis". My 12 year old son laughed at that.

It's clear that there is no good scenario but do we need to be a laughing stock?
I mean cmon he's an absolute clown.
The rest of the world already thinks Americans are stupid. Do we need to prove them right by electing a realty TV personality?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f2Uu35f87zU

He doesn't seem to have any platform whatsoever other than criticising Hillary.
The rest seems to be vague bravado.

Personally as much as I hate Hillary and Bill and all the phony liberals of their ilk I could not give a shit about her emails. It's been played to death and it smacks of desperation.
I just refuse to vote for another rich prick who's platform is that we should make him and his friends more wealthy. When will we finally learn our lesson?

I at least think Hillary is smart and up to the task.
I anticipate that Trump will repeatedly shove his entire foot in his mouth over and over on the world stage. His entire career has been marked by that.
Which works wonderfully if you are a tabloid celebrity. But not as President

And you are actually talking about blood on our hands to defend Trump?
He says that he plans to kill the terrorists and their families yadda yadda.
Isolationism? He actually asked in his security briefing why we don't use the nukes.

If the DNC didn't want a Trump presidency, they shouldn't have committed electoral fraud during the Nevada primaries (and elsewhere) to coronate a woman who has a lifetime of scandal behind her and who recently had an adverse finding from the United States Office of the Inspector fucking General, the nation's chief auditor, regarding her use of a private email server to hide all communications from oversight while serving as Secretary of State.

Trump is preferable to Clinton. He was complicit in starting fewer unnecessary wars, so he has killed fewer millions of brown people. Trump is the DNC's fault. I prefer a wildcard president over a guaranteed corrupt warmonger president. Trump, at least, champions isolationism.

Prominent journalists covering the issue: 
Dan Rolle: https://twitter.com/danrolle 
H.A. Goodman: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDB5XReUyyqt-FTNdkzFN-A 
David Seaman: https://www.youtube.com/user/davidseamanonline 

Important documents or videos: 
OIG Report: https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-16-03.pdf 
Judicial Watch panel discussion of scandal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsgapaYCs40 
House Committe Grills FBI Directory Comey re. email investigation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIL38se8nzM 

Where I find this stuff: 
Top Links, Hillary for Prison subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/HillaryForPrison/top/?sort=top&t=all 
Top Links, DNCLeaks subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/DNCleaks/top/?sort=top&t=all 

Please, while Trump is very much deserving of criticism, there is a greater evil to be panicking about here. Clinton was instrumental in approving the war in Iraq and in the destabilization of the Middle East, and in implementing "tough on crime" drug demonizing policies during the 90's. She has more blood on her hands than we will ever know.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2016, 07:28:24 PM by BikerDude »


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Re: Democracy in action
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2016, 07:53:04 PM »
The emails are very important. Clinton evaded all oversight for the entirety of her tenure as Secretary of State. This matter has not been played to death. We in the resistance will continue to push the issue until she is behind bars, no matter how many years it takes.

It should not be surprising that a criminal investigation that has been hobbled intentionally by both the FBI and the Department of Justice under the corrupt watch of the Democrats is taking a long time to play out. The analysis by Dan Rolle, the former Democratic congressional candidate who personally saw and documented electoral fraud from the inside in Nevada, and of the former prosecuting attorneys who now serve as representatives on the House Oversight Committee and the House Science Committe (which has jurisdiction over US cybersecurity), is sound. The corrupt elites get away with what they do precisely because they can slow-walk these things for years until the public loses interest. We must not lose interest this time.

We must not vote for those who commit electoral fraud or who evade oversight. Clinton is disqualified from holding public office, and is ineligible for your vote. If you do not like either candidate, I encourage you to vote for Stein or Johnson.

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Re: Democracy in action
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2016, 12:04:49 AM »
This election is perfectly summed up by every joke ever made about the two party system. We all knew that it would eventually we would reach a point where either choice could potentially bring the end. We are either going to continue further down the politically correct, socialist, big government rabbit hole that we are headed down now or we are going to become the reality TV gameshow that the rest of the world already thinks we are.

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Re: Democracy in action
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2016, 12:12:47 AM »
At any rate, this portion of the recent Judicial Watch panel sums up and, indeed, expands upon my views regarding Director Comey's "investigation," or, more accurately, cover-up operation, of the Clinton email scandal perfectly. It is a very entertaining rant by a prominent legal professional. I know you all probably think of lawyers as being uniformly corrupt, but there are many principled lawyers who actually care about justice, and who work their whole lives in pursuit of this goal. Principled lawyers are the people who are trained to actually bring about reform. We should listen to them and support them, not dismiss them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsgapaYCs40

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Re: Democracy in action
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2016, 12:23:19 AM »
I watched most of the committee hearings live, including the one with Comey and honestly I don't know if I would have believed most of the things from the hearing if I hadn't heard them for myself. He pretty much did nothing the whole time but say she broke multiple laws only to turn around and say he wasn't going to charge her. My favorite part is when he flat out says she committed felony perjury but they still weren't going to charge her...I went out and bought a new roll of tinfoil right after.

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Re: Democracy in action
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2016, 12:51:03 AM »
Bill and Hillary broke, like, all the laws, and then bought off and/or blackmailed Congress, the President of the United States and the Director of the FBI to call off the bloodhounds. That's an impressive amount of evil, unprecedented for this nation in scope and audacity.

Oh, don't think that she bought off Congress? Congress can impeach her right now regarding her service as secretary of state. Former public officers can be impeached as well as sitting public officers. They don't have to wait for the executive branch to produce an indictment. The Republicans control both houses. On any particular day, Congress can hold a "kangaroo court" impeachment hearing, let her talk for half an hour, vote to impeach, and then bar her from public office. The fact that they are not doing this proves that the Republicans are complicit in this cover-up as well. Chairs Chaffetz and Smith are making a great show of upholding justice, and are even doing useful work. But it's all unnecessary. The Republican Party was bought off and has decided not to impeach, and they are demanding prosecution in order to shift blame for their miscarriage of justice to the Democrats.

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Re: Democracy in action
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2016, 01:56:22 AM »
Eh. That's my rant on this topic. Maybe I am too harsh on the Republicans; a show trial and an impeachment would have provided less information to the public. Perhaps the historical record is more important than immediate justice here. I mean, we jailed a guy for taking a selfie on a submarine, and here is a public official who broke that same law, but at least 30,000 times over the course of 3 years, committed the additional felonies of perjury, obstruction of justice, and destruction of federal records while covering up the matter, and she gets to make a credible run for the presidency. So sorry if it makes me a bit angry when someone tells me that the Clinton email controversy is not important.

 

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