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I thought heroism was a perfectly ordinary personality trait, something that everybody has to some degree. Are we discussing something different here?
I'm tired of everyone, myself included, kicking me around. I will defend myself in this thread for as long as anyone cares to speak against me. Anyone who has anything negative to say about me can go fuck themselves. I get more than enough of that from myself as it is, and I'm tired of hearing it.
Well, if being a man boils down to being willing and able to inflict violence upon others (for any reason) then I'll be eternally happy to not be a "man". If being unwilling to inflict violence upon others, finding violence of any kind for any reason to be abhorrently sickening to the very depths of my being, means that I'm a coward, then I will embrace being a coward.I will take a bullet for, almost, anyone. I'll take a beating so that others don't have to (and I have, several times). But I will not, I absolutely refuse, to inflict violence upon another human being.
Honestly I don't really think there's any disagreement here on anything but the semantics.
The original discussion was about abiding in places with oppression and war and the answer is yes... it is possible and it definitely exists in abundance and sometimes even better than in "privileged" society. Folks overseas are abiding all kinds of hardship and keeping their personal room tied together and not letting it get to them. Folks in concentration camps abided atrocities left-and-right and survived them with their psyches intact. There are folks abiding even in the worst of circumstances and it all just has to do with how they frame the world and what they place importance on. Are these folks deadbeats? People the square community shouldn't give a shit about?
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Quote The original discussion was about abiding in places with oppression and war and the answer is yes... it is possible and it definitely exists in abundance and sometimes even better than in "privileged" society. Folks overseas are abiding all kinds of hardship and keeping their personal room tied together and not letting it get to them. Folks in concentration camps abided atrocities left-and-right and survived them with their psyches intact. There are folks abiding even in the worst of circumstances and it all just has to do with how they frame the world and what they place importance on. Are these folks deadbeats? People the square community shouldn't give a shit about? I think that they aren't given a shit about, which is why they are easier to subjugate. I agree with the rest though.
Quote from: thevideoartist on September 14, 2016, 01:42:42 PMHonestly I don't really think there's any disagreement here on anything but the semantics.I know, right? I didn't think I'd encounter so much grief here for encouraging caution.Like it or not, I'm not Audie Murphy or Edward Snowden. I don't have exceptional courage or any exceptional skills save for technical writing and manual labor. What I do have are creditors. When you risk injury, you risk letting down the people that are depending on you. My job is to survive and avoid injury so that I can pay my debts. I can afford heroism when my debts are paid.
Quote from: SagebrushSage on September 14, 2016, 11:43:13 AMI'm tired of everyone, myself included, kicking me around. I will defend myself in this thread for as long as anyone cares to speak against me. Anyone who has anything negative to say about me can go fuck themselves. I get more than enough of that from myself as it is, and I'm tired of hearing it.The original discussion was about abiding in places with oppression and war and the answer is yes... it is possible and it definitely exists in abundance and sometimes even better than in "privileged" society. Folks overseas are abiding all kinds of hardship and keeping their personal room tied together and not letting it get to them. Folks in concentration camps abided atrocities left-and-right and survived them with their psyches intact. There are folks abiding even in the worst of circumstances and it all just has to do with how they frame the world and what they place importance on. Are these folks deadbeats? People the square community shouldn't give a shit about? I don't think so.
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