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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2016, 01:36:17 PM »
Are we splitting hairs here? Are we talking about drawing a line in the sand here dude?

Even when you feel like you have nothing left, there can still be a line of personal morality or ethics you won't or can't cross, like some great dudes of history, there are those who are lucky just to make it to the finals,  eg Dr MLK, Emily Pankhurst, Gandhi. (Maybe not my best examples). Us normo's just fit right in the middle.

Am I rambling here?

Some dudes got beat down and shat on from a great height and achieved anyway. Those are who we can learn our greatest lessons from. They are those that deserve our utmost respect.

What's going on in Tibet is a good example of abiding in adversity. The country has been occupied by China for like 60yrs or so, their culture is being eradicated, Tibetans are being imprisoned and tortured for just having a flag of their own country or images of the dalai lama, (who, like many others is exiled from his home), but they still want to end this thing cheap, but can't, because no one wants to piss off China.

 Where is the justice? Fuctifino, probably in the same place as everything else!

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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2016, 01:52:21 PM »


To be clear, even though we all possess heroism, we are not all heroes. I am not a hero, for example. One only becomes a hero upon performing a justified heroic act. We do not call people who act heroically unjustly, such as terrorists, or such as bystanders taking unnecessary risks against the instructions of emergency personnell, "heroes." Such people are usually called either "villains," "loose cannons," or "casualties."



To say that people who die in the defense of others e casualties do not qualify as hero's fly's in the face of common usage. Just look at the numerous recipients of the meddle of honor who received it for actions that resulted in their death.

As far as George Zimmerman goes it's simple he is neither a hero nor motivated by false heroic impulses. He was predominantly motivated by racism and then by cowardice by shooting an unarmed boy.

You have been back peddling on this in post after post. Your tactic seems to be an insistence on walking as close as possible to conflating heroism with less heroic and even despicable acts in an effort to have it both ways. To back peddle on your "over rated" nonsense by conflating heroism with something else.

I'll spell it out. Heroism is not over rated. Ever. This does not include acts of cruelty racism or any such things which are not heroism.

And if a person acts in the interest of others by putting themselves in danger it is IMO an act of extreme arrogance to categorize their efforts as unworthy of praise by judging them as reckless or any other sort of derogatory terms.

I'm leaving it alone because I gets sick of the way you tend to put your foot in you mouth and then spend pages back peddling it and splitting hairs trying to defend yourself.
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« Last Edit: September 15, 2016, 02:07:10 PM by BikerDude »

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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2016, 02:06:28 PM »
@BikerDude

Hey, did you read the definition that I linked you to? I also provided the definition in the text. Also, did you read when I said that people who perform justified heroic acts, including those who die in the process, are rightly called heroes? Where did I say that failing in a heroic deed or injuring oneself while performing a heroic deed indicates that one is not a hero? Try reading my words again, correctly this time.

I am right. You are wrong. Quit putting words in my mouth. You have a more negative opinion of me than is justified by a fair reading of my words.

Have a nice day :)

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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2016, 02:12:29 PM »
Since i have already proven exhaustively that I am not making the offensive claims that BikerDude seems to think that I am making, I see no reason to continue participating in this discussion.

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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2016, 02:14:04 PM »
@BikerDude

Hey, did you read the definition that I linked you to? I also provided the definition in the text. Also, did you read when I said that people who perform justified heroic acts, including those who die in the process, are rightly called heroes? Where did I say that failing in a heroic deed or injuring oneself while performing a heroic deed indicates that one is not a hero? Try reading my words again, correctly this time.

I am right. You are wrong. Quit putting words in my mouth. You have a more negative opinion of me than is justified by a fair reading of my words.

Have a nice day :)

@dickhead

Although you are interested in continually pouring out your drivel after making assinine  statements like "heroism is over rated" I'm content to conclude that you are either a complete ass or you walk close enough to it you lack the normal instincts that would cause an individual pause before pouring forth such garbage. I would judge either case worthy of scorn. And I'm not interested in splitting hairs as you perform gymnastics in extricating yourself.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2016, 02:15:37 PM by BikerDude »

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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2016, 02:17:10 PM »
@BikerDude

As I stated previously, go fuck yourself.

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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2016, 03:06:08 PM »
Whoa! Chill out guys, go smoke a j or something!

Not cool, man.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2016, 03:10:42 PM by Brother D »

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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2016, 03:17:50 PM »
@Brother D, @BikerDude

Fine. I am a terrible, disgusting person, not worthy of the respect or kindness of the members of this forum. I do not deserve to be forgiven for accidentally breaking taboos, or any other consideration for my human fallibility. I apologize for maligning and undervaluing our heroes, and for making a big deal out of a minor disagreement.

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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #53 on: September 15, 2016, 03:26:37 PM »
Having different points of view is fine, man, it's the name calling that I think is below the belt.

You're not a bad guy, sage, we can all get passionate about our views from time to time. Nothing is fucked here dude.

I respect you both even if I don't agree with you.

*Passes doob of peace*

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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #54 on: September 15, 2016, 03:30:29 PM »
I likewise apologise for contributing to another endlessly tedious scuffle with SS

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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #55 on: September 15, 2016, 03:32:22 PM »
Yay!, Let's go grab us a lane! First round's on me!

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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #56 on: September 15, 2016, 03:43:45 PM »
@BikerDude

I have no quarrel with you. I appreciate and respect good debaters like yourself. I also apologize for apologizing in a passive-aggressive manner.

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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #57 on: September 15, 2016, 03:52:55 PM »
My judgement is impaired due to long-term stress, which is painfully apparent whenever I review or recall my statements in a calm state of mind. I have good days and bad days.

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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #58 on: September 15, 2016, 03:54:52 PM »
I can't help thinking of the scene in kingpin where the Woody Harrelson character asks the bum "how's life" and he replies "taking forever".
At the risk of being accused of bravado the term "give me liberty or give me death" comes to mind.

I'm just not sure that in general striving to find contentment in misery is a good thing. Seems sort of a perversion of the human spirit.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB-LXIdM1fU
« Last Edit: September 15, 2016, 05:10:01 PM by BikerDude »

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Re: Abiding in disadvantaged circumstances
« Reply #59 on: September 15, 2016, 04:06:02 PM »
Yeah, I got a rash, man.

Misplaced aggression is something that we all should be aware of. If a pet is held or restrained, it can bite you or get stressed out because it can't get to what it wants. It's a way of communicating that us humans should know better, like it's trying to tell us something.

Sometimes I snap at people because I'm anxious about something else not related to them, but because I've let my emotions get the better of me, it comes out the wrong way.

Like when the dude's thinking becomes uptight, it clouds his judgement.

Anyhoo, what were we blathering about?  Lost my train of thought there....

 

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