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Bradypus

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Is Democracy more Dude than Dudeocratism ?
« on: July 16, 2015, 01:37:12 AM »
Hi dudes !

Happy to post for the very first time. I know all the following is just like, my opinion.
But willing to think about politic not considering opinions is a bit like willing to cook without food, no ?
Plus I want to engage myself in dudeism and writing this may help me to be sure I'm here at the right place.
So well, if it is just an opinion I can express it clear and load with all my subjectivity, it wont hurt.


To make it short :

- There's a lot of shit around us because of politics and corporations. A lot. Like too much to survive.
- If Dudeism can do something positive about this apocalyptic bullshit it would be a good thing.
- Democracy is defenetly dudeist. It's my only vision but I don't see how to refute this.
- If a political party could help to do the trick, why not.
- BUT we don't need new oligarcs hiding behind a fake democracy, even if they are white russian drinkers.
- Real democracy is a simple concept made of complex processes.
- It envolves lot of technical work, and carring about opinions, which can be tricky for dudeists...
 


Reasons making me thinking this way are the following...
(yeah it's longer but if you want to think about politic you rarely can think short)


0- We are in the middle of a gigantic ecological shitstorm.
Some call it ecocide, like a genocide but against biodiversity, involving also genocides by the way.
Global warming is just a part of it. Rythm of disappearing species is so high that scientists start to show it as an evidence we are witnessing the 6th mass extinction. Yeah like dinosaurs but with around 200 nuclear power plants ready to pop, and hundreds of nuclear waste storages.

A- Aristocracy means the ? best ? of us rule the political power.
That's some kind of sweet dream leading to totalitarianism simply because there's no unique elite group able to take the best decision on every topic. To have a real aristocratic system there must be as many elite groups as there are subjects needing to be consulted. And it starts to be a pain in this ass to resolve tricky questions like ? who would be the best to decide who's the best on each topic ? ?. Reality is a bitch for Aristocracy as for its idole, the charming prince : the guy is rarely much clever than most of us, which is pretty low, he has the same knowledge limit, he's not specialy aware of other people's realities, that's a polite way to say it... in fact he hasn't any horse, if he does it's often to him like having cars, planes, towers, women... cause yep, he can be an incult, sexist, xenophobic piece of cinical bastard. Being the best at something doesn't mean being nice and fair.

B- Oligarchy means politic power is given to a small amount of people.
It doesn't say how , it can be a military putsch puting in place a dictatorship, it can be an election giving the feeling of a democratic choice... In both case it's just like aristocracy, except the elite isn't, by defenition, the best of us. History even proves complete morrons can be oligarchs. So it allways fails at some point, some time enough to annihilate a civilisation. Leading positively a country needs capacities, not a prestigious family tree, being billion rich, being able to manipulate crowds or being a good and corrupted cock sucker. Oligarchy is evil. It's aristocracy at its worse with the madness to pretend it's better this way.

C- Plutocracy means the power is controlled by the ones having the biggest stack.
A coin instead of a brain... we know about that as our oligarchies have a deep plutocrat side. That's in fact most of time what selects morons in charge. Good family, good school, good job and good lobbyist friends, and there you go ready to get in charge of... whatever may bring profits. So far we can tell they don't give a shit about consequences upon others, like, the ones who are exploited to generate billions. Plutocratic oligarchy, that's one of the worse cocktail we can get and that's what we got.

D- Democracy is power used by people.
It means people self determination, which is one the basis of freedom if I remember well.
It also means effective freedom of thought and speech for everyone.
As one human = one vote, it is a fair system.
It asks to think about what is the best choice for a specific situation, not who's the less incompetent candidate around to decide about everything during an bunch of years. That's more intellectually challenging for sure.
For all these reasons I'm pretty sure democracy is highly compatible with dudeist values.

E- Dudeocracy which should mean power hold by the dudes. Wich is obviously an oligarchic system.
Or by dudeists, which drives us from an olygarchy to some new kind of theocracy.
Word is fun, but history tells oligarchy is dysfunctional and theocracy can be dysfunctional + pretty obscurantist.
It sounds to much of a joke to me... dudes in charge, oh boy...

If this is correct focusing on democratic processes and how bring them in our systems should be a positive political work. Bringing the democratic tool but not telling much opinions about why and what for it should be used, because it's up to people to make their mind, that's pretty dudeist to me but does Dudeism have means of their will (or just only the will) to participate actively to this ? I don't feel so.

What do you think ?
« Last Edit: July 16, 2015, 03:59:26 AM by Bradypus »

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Re: Is Democracy more Dude than Dudeocratism ?
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2015, 01:27:03 PM »
I would say it's not about power.

Also you are comparing religion to political ideology.
I'd say there is no such thing as a Dudeocracy. Which I'd have to say is sort of a contradiction.
The Dude doesn't want to be in charge. Her life is not in our hands Dude.
You list a series of ideologies and then introduce a religion into the comparison.
Would Christianity be power held by the Christians?
I'd say they (the Christians) would say it's more Power held by Christ.
The conclusion would be that Dudeism suggests power held by the Dude.
In a sense I'd say THAT has some merit. That by endeavoring to be more Dude like we "empower" ourselves. Or basically make it easier to take the gutters along with the strikes.
Neither granting "the power" nor "coveting the power".
Well it's not a literal connection...
Hey what do I know. Ask the league office.


But as far as the question....

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noun: democracy

    a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
   
    synonyms:   representative government, elective government; More
    self-government, government by the people;
    republic, commonwealth
    "freedom of speech is essential to democracy"
    antonyms:   dictatorship
        a state governed by a democracy.
        plural noun: democracies
        "a multiparty democracy"
        control of an organization or group by the majority of its members.
        "the intended extension of industrial democracy"

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Abide

verb (used with object), abode or abided, abiding.

to put up with; tolerate; stand:

to accept without opposition or question:
to abide the verdict of the judges.

abide by,

    to act in accord with.
    to submit to; agree to:
    to abide by the court's decision.



Sounds sort of related to me.
But I'd also say that the Dude does not always Abide.
He generally does but sometimes he has a rash Tony.
And that's cool man.

The rest of it (all the activism stuff) sounds very exhausting.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2015, 03:50:18 PM by BikerDude »

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Re: Is Democracy more Dude than Dudeocratism ?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2015, 04:55:31 PM »
Hi BikerDude,

Thanks for the answer and references.

Trouble with politic is that it's all about power to lead populations. In dudeocrat, crat from cratos, means power.
So if a dudeocrat party would not be about power why thinking about it ?
IMO That's an other reason explaining why democracy is dudeist : it leaves all the decision power to the people, Dudes have nothing to do, people rules by himself.

When it comes to the definition of democracy you got, well, it's a good exemple of the ones that try to make believe an oligarchy, is a democracy so long it is chosen by representative election. It says it can also be  a "government by the people", but that's a scam because democracy is only about that, not just "also". If you wish we can discuss historic facts that demonstrates representative democracy is a trap to peacefully avoid democracy.

Activism is quite exhausting yep... starting by making understand to people stuffs like what democracy is really about... My dudeist way tells me to fuck it all and enjoy life, but my humanism ask me to spend time on learning, teaching and try to make my part of the necessary work.

But Dudeism is also to me about being the right person at the right time, and this actual time asks for activism because of ecological emergencies. Like if we do nothing we are responsible of this : http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/22/the-earth-is-on-the-brink-of-a-sixth-mass-extinction-scientists-say-and-its-humans-fault/  right here right now.

If abiding leads to be a slave of some kind or accomplice of crime as terrible as an ecocide, there's something wrong about it.

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Re: Is Democracy more Dude than Dudeocratism ?
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2015, 08:44:57 AM »
I do think that if your waiting for the Dudes to save the planet then the planet is probably fucked unless it involves smoking a lot of tie stick and occupying various administration buildings.

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Re: Is Democracy more Dude than Dudeocratism ?
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2015, 10:08:25 AM »
Sounds right...

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Re: Is Democracy more Dude than Dudeocratism ?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2015, 02:06:02 PM »
To be honest "Dudeocracy" just sounds like it's all a bit too much work for my liking.

A Dudeist political movement sounds a bit like an Organisation of Anarchists, an oxymoron.
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Re: Is Democracy more Dude than Dudeocratism ?
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2015, 04:48:21 AM »
Anarchist hierarchy, that's an oxymoron ;)

Anarchism is all about organization. It's not chaos.
And got lot of datas telling it's not just my opinion. ^^'

 

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