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jdurand

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Structured Water
« on: August 09, 2014, 02:22:02 PM »
Well, it's like this...  After a friend got involved with this we were talking to some other people and what do you know, we now have our first Structured Water product available. 

So, anyway, these are devices that are supposed to make water "better".  Some people swear by them, others swear at them.  To each his own.

I don't have any pictures of the "for sale" ones yet, won't have one until next week.  Here's a prototype made of ABS plastic (not listed as food grade).  The real ones will be in translucent Orion Blue or ceramic in several colors.  All food grade, of course.

You never know what you'll wind up making.


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Re: Structured Water
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2014, 02:41:22 PM »
I dig the aesthetics, dude, but what is the principle we're applying here? Subjectively, is there some difference to you? That's all that matters if you ask me.

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Re: Structured Water
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2014, 02:50:22 PM »
For us, the water through this tastes better.  We did some testing with our chickens but we don't have identical water bowls, so no matter which bowl has the Structured water they always go straight to their normal water bowl.  Need two new bowls that don't look like their old one for a better test there.  Still more testing to do...

The friend has been growing duckweed in tubs next to each other, the duckweed in processed water is growing faster and denser.

As for the principal, this was originally developed by a German scientist some time back and people have been dabbling in it ever since.  It's something about the water going over spheres, I'd say it's the sudden increase in surface stress...could break down long chain impurities in the water.

In the one I made, there's four layers of the spheres in an inverted pyramid, so each one does its thing, then the water is concentrated over fewer on the next layer and so on until it all goes over one last ball.

If it's not obvious, these are 3D printed.  The ABS is just cheap plastic I had loaded in the machine.  The good stuff is PET (same as soda bottles are made of) but costs $$.  I need to modify the temperature control on my printer because the PET needs a temperature BETWEEN the settings I have for ABS and PLA (corn starch).  Hence, no good ones until next week after the parts get here.

The ceramic ones are also 3D printed, but we rent time on a high-end machine for these.  They cost considerably more but are solid ceramic like a hand-made piece would be.

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Re: Structured Water
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2014, 08:28:21 PM »
I'm fascinated by this "water has memory" phenomenon, but I've yet to find any consistent scientific evidence to back it up.

Thoughts?



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Re: Structured Water
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2014, 08:35:57 PM »
Since it's a "tin-hat" area, no scientist on a real payroll will touch it on fear of losing his paycheck.  Pretty much everyone else who does look into tin-hat items doesn't have the training in procedures nor the funding to do really valid tests.  I've helped some where I can, but there's only so much I can do on zero budget and limited time.

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Re: Structured Water
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2014, 11:22:19 AM »
So, you just made 3-D printed Teutonic water spheres?

Mark it a ten, dude!

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Re: Structured Water
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2014, 01:58:10 PM »
So, you just made 3-D printed Teutonic water spheres?

Mark it a ten, dude!

It would appear that's what fell out of my head when I tilted it towards the CAD system.

Now to actually sell these.  The high-end printer is expensive to rent time on so we have to sell the ceramic ones for $100, the plastic ones will be cheaper once I modify the printer to use the new plastic.


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Re: Structured Water
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2014, 11:10:28 PM »
Our web store for the high end ones is live and already had a sale
http://shpws.me/vxTN

We're still going to print the lower cost plastic ones here, just waiting for the food grade plastic to show up.

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Re: Structured Water
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2014, 12:04:29 AM »
Well, it's like this...  After a friend got involved with this we were talking to some other people and what do you know, we now have our first Structured Water product available. 

So, anyway, these are devices that are supposed to make water "better".  Some people swear by them, others swear at them.  To each his own.

I don't have any pictures of the "for sale" ones yet, won't have one until next week.  Here's a prototype made of ABS plastic (not listed as food grade).  The real ones will be in translucent Orion Blue or ceramic in several colors.  All food grade, of course.

You never know what you'll wind up making.

Is that some kind of Eastern thing?

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Re: Structured Water
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2014, 12:16:35 AM »
Sure, that's it.  :)

Actually, Structured Water came out of Germany...don't remember the scientist's name.

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Re: Structured Water
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2014, 04:55:38 PM »
 ;D Over indulging in Structured Water?................


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Re: Structured Water
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2014, 07:12:40 PM »
I don't think I've ever come across this sort of thing. It sounds interesting, and absurd all at once (which is, right up my alley).

If you think it makes water taste better, then, to you, the water does taste better... That actually makes me want to experiment with some kind of modestly priced home version and take a taste challenge myself. So thanks for turning me onto the idea.
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Re: Structured Water
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2014, 07:31:20 PM »
We're going to be selling a plastic version as soon as I get one to print ok.  We tried a new extra fancy plastic but found out it doesn't like our printer.  Not the printer's fault, it was designed long before this plastic came out.

Anyway, have a spool of plastic arriving tomorrow that has a 99% chance of working fine with our printer.  Once I do a test print we'll put the plastic ones up for sale.  It will be purple, here's what the plastic looks like as it goes into the printer:

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Re: Structured Water
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2014, 04:39:39 PM »
Well, after much pain, suffering, expense, and not nearly enough beer...we've begun shipping the first version of our water structuring device.  And...the PayPal link in our shopping cart broke.  Very un-dude!

Anyway, we're having to use blue plastic at the moment since it turns out our printer will NOT print with anything other than the premium plastic made by the printer company...even though it was built before they offered their own brand.  Maybe they have their own brand to avoid too many people complaining it didn't work as advertised.

Since we need a good, reliable printer for our business we took advantage of the cyber weekend sales, scraped pennies out of the couch, and ordered a new, different brand printer.  To save money we ordered a kit, shouldn't be TOO hard for us to assemble.

Anyway, if anyone would like more info, you can contact me directly.  When the shopping cart is working, we'll be selling these through our RedFeatherCrow.com site.

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Re: Structured Water
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2014, 10:47:44 PM »
So - wouldn't pouring water over marbles do the same thing?  Kinda like how a babbling brook flows over smooth riverstones...  Thoughts?



 

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