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Am I wrong, or just an asshole?
Just a thought; it is possible that some dudes feel a bit free to bash Muslims here in the forum because there is some Muslim (or perhaps Arab) bashing in the Big Lebowski; that is to say Walter calling them "camel fuckers...a bunch of fig-eaters with towels on their heads tryin' to find reverse on a Soviet tank. This is not a worthy--"It has to be remembered the Coen brothers are Jewish and might be perhaps taking some liberty in their movie to subtlety take a shot or two at Arabs and Muslims. But, having said that; they also take a shot or two at their own culture and religion by making the somewhat wacko Walter, a fanatical Jewish convert from Catholicism, rant and rave about "Shomer fucking Shabbos!"and his comical quote "Three thousand years of beautiful tradition, from Moses to Sandy Koufax," not to mention Walter's monologue about the Rambam while walking out to the Dude's burnt out car. This might be a reason that dudes feel a bit free to vent some anger and frustration over the doings of some members of Islam.Am I wrong, or just an asshole?IMHO
It seems to me you're taking a knee-jerk response.
I'll try and justify that statement with the common knowledge that the majority of muslim groups do CURRENTLY in our Modern times, wish jihad and death on all non believers.
When I say we should tolerate intolerance I only mean that we should allow certain degrees of it on the forum so that it can engender conversation.
Dudeism stands for reason over emotion.
Well I'm calling it!I don't like it. I don't think it's appropriate and I don't think it's at all dudeist.If someone started spouting racist hatred such as " that the majority of black people fuck monkeys. Or "It is common knowledge that the majority of Jews should be burned because they eat babies" or " It is common knowledge that the majority of Scottish people would sell their families into slavery" Would that be Tolerated!??I've never talked about banning anyone! I have never indicated that! I am asking for clarification on what is and what is not considered "Dudeist" I'm saying that I cannot and will not associate myself with a religion that wishes peace and harmony but has an "anything goes policy".I guess what you are saying is paedophiles, despots and serial killers can all be dudes as long as they don't rock the boat too much and we give them space?
Let's take your reply one step at a time Forum Dude.QuoteIt seems to me you're taking a knee-jerk response. Not at all. I first posted my initial reaction to Abideist nearly two weeks ago. I've been waiting to see what reaction if any it would garner from yourself or the mods or indeed Abideist. I've had plenty of time to ponder.Semantics you say? Well semantics is what the written word is about. We can't use body language or tone or inflection in the written word so forgive me if I've missed something but I don't think I've got the phrase QuoteI'll try and justify that statement with the common knowledge that the majority of muslim groups do CURRENTLY in our Modern times, wish jihad and death on all non believers. wrong. I don't think I've misunderstood a blatant piece of racist language, I don't think I've misconstrued an absolute statement for a generalisation. I think I can see when someone is calling a spade a spade or a nigger a nigger perchance?QuoteWhen I say we should tolerate intolerance I only mean that we should allow certain degrees of it on the forum so that it can engender conversation.I see where you are going with that but the opportunity for that conversation came and went...Abideist then compounded his beliefs. (and actually I think to degree that statement is pretty much bullshit anyhow. I mean where do you draw the line? How much hatred do you allow to be spouted before you actually take a stand against it? If I was in a room with someone who spouted that nonsense then I would immediately take him to task and if that didn't work, walk away and never associate with him again! What is the difference here? If the person said that at work and it was reported I guarantee that HR would fire him on the spot! QuoteDudeism stands for reason over emotion. Really? So where's the reasoning behind allowing someone to pretend they are a dude and abiding yet knowing full they are neither being dude like or abideing and worse not allowing a whole race to abide?As I said before. I'm not convinced and I'm not impressed. I do not think for a second that allowing bigotry, intolerance and hatred into dudeism (even it is for the purpose of engendering conversation) can be the right way forward.As an aside: I note that the Pope today spoke out against child abuse and poverty, what was noticeable by it's absence was any apology or recognition for his church's past efforts in this regards. Are we to go the same way? Allow as many transgressions as you like as long as we discuss it and debate then we can hold those negative racist anti-isms and still call our selves dudes?
Quote from: Caesar dude on April 24, 2013, 10:43:15 AMQuotePersonally, and I may be shunned by my fellow dudes for saying this, but FUCK muslimsThat is not a very dudeist way to go through life!I know several Muslims with a far more tolerant attitude than you are displaying! If it were up to you then I assume that any Muslim dudes here would be banned!QuoteBritain is facing that challenge now Only if you read the daily mail! A couple of examples. Where I live there is a Muslim community made up of Muslims form various nationalities. They integrate well here and don't preach hate or incite violence! In Edinburgh where my sister lives there is a central Mosque which has an attached restaurant which only opens for lunch and serves typical ethnic fare. It's basic, ie. you pay £4.00 and are given a big bowl of whatever is being served that day along with some Arabic bread. The place is packed out everyday with mainly non Muslims! No sign of radicalisation there either!http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186525-d1023923-Reviews-The_Mosque_Kitchen-Edinburgh_Scotland.htmlQuoteislam does pose a threat to freedom, democracy, security and human rights. No more or less than Catholicism does! Africa for instance, where the religion is spreading along with AIDS because of the Churches refusal to back down on condoms. The IRA. And any untold number of atrocities carried out in the name of the Christian God over the last several hundred years.Only a tiny minority of Muslims are terrorists and support violence. Yes I'm sure that they would like to convert everyone on the planet to their way of thinking...but then again so would the pope!!As I said previously. To "hate" all Muslims is very very undude. For all means condemn the murderers and those that support violence but at least condemn all those of whatever nationality and religion that do the same.Peace.
QuotePersonally, and I may be shunned by my fellow dudes for saying this, but FUCK muslimsThat is not a very dudeist way to go through life!I know several Muslims with a far more tolerant attitude than you are displaying! If it were up to you then I assume that any Muslim dudes here would be banned!QuoteBritain is facing that challenge now Only if you read the daily mail! A couple of examples. Where I live there is a Muslim community made up of Muslims form various nationalities. They integrate well here and don't preach hate or incite violence! In Edinburgh where my sister lives there is a central Mosque which has an attached restaurant which only opens for lunch and serves typical ethnic fare. It's basic, ie. you pay £4.00 and are given a big bowl of whatever is being served that day along with some Arabic bread. The place is packed out everyday with mainly non Muslims! No sign of radicalisation there either!http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186525-d1023923-Reviews-The_Mosque_Kitchen-Edinburgh_Scotland.htmlQuoteislam does pose a threat to freedom, democracy, security and human rights. No more or less than Catholicism does! Africa for instance, where the religion is spreading along with AIDS because of the Churches refusal to back down on condoms. The IRA. And any untold number of atrocities carried out in the name of the Christian God over the last several hundred years.Only a tiny minority of Muslims are terrorists and support violence. Yes I'm sure that they would like to convert everyone on the planet to their way of thinking...but then again so would the pope!!As I said previously. To "hate" all Muslims is very very undude. For all means condemn the murderers and those that support violence but at least condemn all those of whatever nationality and religion that do the same.Peace.
Personally, and I may be shunned by my fellow dudes for saying this, but FUCK muslims
Britain is facing that challenge now
islam does pose a threat to freedom, democracy, security and human rights.
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on May 06, 2013, 01:18:38 AMJust a thought; it is possible that some dudes feel a bit free to bash Muslims here in the forum because there is some Muslim (or perhaps Arab) bashing in the Big Lebowski; that is to say Walter calling them "camel fuckers...a bunch of fig-eaters with towels on their heads tryin' to find reverse on a Soviet tank. This is not a worthy--"It has to be remembered the Coen brothers are Jewish and might be perhaps taking some liberty in their movie to subtlety take a shot or two at Arabs and Muslims. But, having said that; they also take a shot or two at their own culture and religion by making the somewhat wacko Walter, a fanatical Jewish convert from Catholicism, rant and rave about "Shomer fucking Shabbos!"and his comical quote "Three thousand years of beautiful tradition, from Moses to Sandy Koufax," not to mention Walter's monologue about the Rambam while walking out to the Dude's burnt out car. This might be a reason that dudes feel a bit free to vent some anger and frustration over the doings of some members of Islam.Am I wrong, or just an asshole?IMHO I think it's unfortunate that people use the towel head and camel fucker lines injudiciously. Same with "fucking Germans, fucking Nazis." People often don't realize the context and are offended. But I guess that's bound to happen. Vagina.
Pizza be upon you, Caesar Dude.
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