The Tenets of Dudeism

[meekon5]

http://www.centuryone.com/25dssfacts.html

Fact No. 22

Unless new shit has come to light of which I am unaware...and that is highly likely! 

I stand corrected I did actually believe there was a mention of him in the dead sea scrolls.

(see I can be wrong occasionally)

[meekon5]

From the Tao Of Programming:

The wise programmer is told about Tao and follows it.
The average programmer is told about Tao and searches for it.
The foolish programmer is told about Tao and laughs at it.

If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao.

[Andrea Da Fino]

Nobody fucks with the Jesus! You think it's a coinkidinki that the Jesus is a pederast? Nah, man! That there's a metaphor or sumpthin.

Anyway, all this arguing is totally undude and exhausting. The Dude would not bother with any of this, IMDO. I feel it is only because the conversation is between a group of Dudes that it is as cordial as it is. Any other forum would have people banned and a lot of feelings poo pooed by now.

Well dude, actually we're just expressing our different points of view. With a bit of passion but without any intention to be assholes. That's the beauty of dudeism, having different opinions, debating yet being still able to share a virtual beer. I don't think cckeiser is a paraquat and probably he feels the same. Am I right dude? 

[cckeiser]

Nobody fucks with the Jesus! You think it's a coinkidinki that the Jesus is a pederast? Nah, man! That there's a metaphor or sumpthin.

Anyway, all this arguing is totally undude and exhausting. The Dude would not bother with any of this, IMDO. I feel it is only because the conversation is between a group of Dudes that it is as cordial as it is. Any other forum would have people banned and a lot of feelings poo pooed by now.

Well dude, actually we're just expressing our different points of view. With a bit of passion but without any intention to be assholes. That's the beauty of dudeism, having different opinions, debating yet being still able to share a virtual beer. I don't think cckeiser is a paraquat and probably he feels the same. Am I right dude? 

Fuckin' A no...I do not think you're a paraquat We just have two different perspectives so exist in two different Realities.
In fact I was just about to write a piece explaining why we can never agree on everything.
It starts with quantum theory...continues with a little bit of Poly-Solipsism, and ends where it has to end, with a slice of Skeptical Idealism 2.0.
I have been thinking on it for awhile...just haven't gotten around to writing it up...it may take a bit to write though. It's not easy trying to explain how Reality really works to a bunch of stoner dudes!

You just may want to limber up you minds a bit and maybe burn a few J's if you got em.
I'm going to be hitting the Kahlua pretty hard myself.

(can't get the weed here in PA...fuckin' fascist state!)

[cckeiser]

A brief summery of How Reality Really Works

We are the product of our experiences. What we each experience determines who we are and how we think...and to a greater or lesser degree how we appear to ourselves and to others...our experiences mold us into this grand  illusion of this person we call I.

But what is this thing we call Experience? The more we look at this question the stranger the answer becomes.

A warning here...you simply Must be an Idealist to comprehend just about anything I am trying to explain here. Realism is a dead end and cannot give an answer to either The Fundamental or The Hard Question. (Look it up yourself...this is supposed to be Brief remember!)

The Quantum Theory (according to the Copenhagen Group, which is the only real quantum theory as far as I am concerned) tells us that there is no Reality until it is Observed by an Observer. If we go all the way down the Rabbit hole to its ultimate conclusion...there is no Reality outside the mind of the Observer.
Since this is so...what is it then that we experience?
Again, as per the Quantum Theory, and Dr Fred Alan Wolf...we must project into the quantum in order to perceive. What we project is our desires, our apprehensions and our anxieties...we do this both consciously and most importantly subconsciously...it is our subconscious mind that ultimately controls our personal Reality. In simpler terms we actually choose for ourselves what our Reality will be, and then we observer and experience that Reality.

But it's not really all that simple...there's a complication that keeps jamming things up and getting in our way. That complication is...You!
Poly-Solipsism tells us that the mind of the person we call I is not the only mind that exists and that You (Not I); these other minds...influence what we ourself think and see and ultimately Believe.
We can have no direct evidence that other minds exist beside our own; except for the problem that we call ourself I. In order to know what I means we must first know Not I. Without Not I there can be no meaning to I.
It is this constant exchange of Information between I and all the other Not I minds that forms our shared consensus reality and influences our subconscious thought of what we are supposed to believe. It is these groups of minds that we choose to associate with that forms the foundation of our own beliefs and therefore what we choose to perceive as World View or Reality...whether it's a true perception or not is beside the point.
Which now leads us into the Rabbit Hole once more, but this time all the way down to the very core and through the quantum itself.
We will need to eat not only the Red Pill, but also partake of the Mad Hatter's tea and cakes.
Skeptical Idealism 2.0 tells us since all reality is simply observer generated and completely within the mind of the observer...there is not real reality at all and no real truth at all. It is all a grand illusion within the mind and there really are no answers at all..there are only choice and it makes no difference at all what we believe we perceive. Any belief is just as true as any other, and none of them are really true at all.
There are no answers...only choices.

But fuck it dudes we can't worry about all that shit...life goes on.
Lets get us a lane and go bowling.

[cckeiser]

Oops...I guess I should mention that what that all means is...we are all insane!

[Andrea Da Fino]

That's interesting, not sure if I've understood it correctly but interesting anyway.

Imdo though things are a bit different. Something if exists exist whether there is an observer or not. Like the theory of the cat in the box: if there is, or not, a cat in the box is ininfluent from an observer to open the box. The cat is there or not even if no observer open the box. In this world we have something either exists or it doesn't. So Reality is Reality.

What we see as Reality instead is what we perceive with our senses and with our mind. What we can see with our senses is just a part of what "exists". Dogs can hear a far greater range of sounds than humans and cats can see a whole different world from us, and let not talk about bats and other animals. So there are sounds which we cannot hear but do exists even if for our senses they do not. They are real but they don't exist, for us. Might be that our only correct sense is the touch, but there are all those vibration theories around so even it could be wrong, or misleading.

Then our mind comes into play and it messes up everything because we can decide, consciously or subconsciously, to see what we want to see. Like "The world is what you think it is" theory. And from a personal point of view it's perfectly correct. We choose our own reality but not in the sense that does exist only what we want to but that we can close, or open, our mind and see only that which resonates with us. And this happens everytime we're involved or something touches our deeper beliefs. Looking at things from a distant point of view and being unjudgemental is one of the hardest things to do yet it's the only possibility to see things as they really are and not as we think they are.

So, Reality is what it is, what does exist with or without an observer and inside and outside our senses. Our own Reality is what we can and what we want to see and perceive.

That's why it is important to state clearly and possibly permanently what makes dude a dude, because with time as everything changes we don't know where we'll go and it could happen to us what happened to Christians with Catholicism and to Taoism with Modern Taoism. We have to be sure that no one in the future can twist Dudeism to his or her own convenience. And this is possible. Universal rules do exists and can be applied to everything, that's why they are rules, or laws. The exception which confirm the rules is a total b**shit because one exception transforms the rule in a rule almost always true. Not always, almost always.

Dudeism is Abiding, Being not Uptight and Taking it Easy. We all agree on that and these are permanent concepts, the three pillars upon which Dudeism is built. But for everyday life we need a bit more details. Imdo obviously. I know that everything changes and only the Tao is eternal but there are concepts which are always true and which could be inserted as guidelines in Dudeism.

No unchecked aggressions is just an example. Isn't it true all the times as a dudeist concept? Everything belongs to Tao but not everything is Taoist. We just have to stick to simplicity. I believe it's possible to find a good compromise between freedom and good rules, or tenets, or whathaveyou.

We need few clear guidelines beyond the three pillars to avoid perceiving Dudeism as we want it to be and seeing Dudeism for what it is. Personal Reality vs Objective or Real Reality, so to speak.

Being a bit clearer and slightly more detailed also would help not only us to live a more dudely life but would also help others to understand better what Dudeism is. And help us finding compeers around the world who, even from different backgrounds, can dig our style and cooperate in trying to make this damned place a better world. Also, next time a Malibu Sheriff stops you it could also help to explain that you're just following your religious tenets. Which at times can be pretty useful.

Just like having a structure. Structures are needed to avoid collapsing, together with a strong base. If something wants to resist the passing of time then it needs very solid foundations and a structure upon which you can build something everlasting. It doesn't need to be a skyscraper, it can be a tipi, a wigwam ot a yurt, yet a structure is needed.

Then someone can decide to sleep outside under the sky or to enter and sleep under the tent, or can come in and go out as he pleases but at least there is a choice. And when thunder strikes it's better to have a roof over the head.

Imdo this is how things should go, as few as possible guidelines but eternal and a simple tipi like structure. But this is just my opinion so I can be wrong. I went a little out of topic but, well, you know what happens when you begin writing. 

[meekon5]

Oops...I guess I should mention that what that all means is...we are all insane!

I've known that most of my life (you're all insane it was never me).

Actually can I add the work of Michel Foucault (I recommended Madness and Civilization - A History of Insanity in the Age of Reason), Descartes (I think therefore I am), the Tao Of Physics  (check out the PDF  Library & Learning Center, Compiling Data For Life On The Self Determined Path), and of course the vast majority of Buddhist and Taoist literature.

There is no mirror, there is no I.

[Andrea Da Fino]

Fuck it, I forgot to say one thing: mark it 8 cckeiser and far out.  Let's go for kahlua then.

M5, probably I don't understand the concept very well, but if there isn't a mirror I exist anyway. Sort of Cogito Ergo Sum, not coito, cogito. 
And even if I have a flat encephalogram so unable to think, I'm still there, so I exist nonetheless.

I'm having an headache starting. Losing my train of thoughts. 

[meekon5]

...M5, probably I don't understand the concept very well, but if there isn't a mirror I exist anyway. Sort of Cogito Ergo Sum, not coito, cogito. 

It's a Zen thing.

From

The disciple asks: What then is it [i.e., no-thought]?

The master replies: It is nothing like ?what is.? Therefore, we can not explain ?no-thought.? The reason why I am speaking about it now is because you have asked about it. If you haven?t asked about it, there is no need to explain it. Suppose that there is a clear, transparent mirror. If it does not face a thing, no image is reflected in it. To say that it mirrors an image means that because it faces something, it just mirrors its image.

The disciple asks: If it does not face any thing, is there or is there not a reflection in the mirror?

The master replies: That the mirror reflects a thing means that it always mirrors regardless of whether it is facing or not facing a thing.

The disciple asks: If there is no image and since you do not give an explanation, how can all beings and nonbeings become an issue? Now when you say that it always mirrors, how does it mirror?

The master replies: When I say that the mirror always mirrors, it is because a clear, transparent mirror possesses an original nature as its essential activity of always mirroring things. Analogously, people's mind is originally undefiled, and naturally possesses a superb light of wisdom that illuminates the perfect world of nirvāna.

 The disciple asks: Insofar as people's minds are originally like that, when do people get it?

The master replies: It just sees nothing.

The disciple asks: When it is nothing, what can it see?

The master replies: Seeing is not like something you can call a thing.

The disciple asks: If it is not like anything one can call a thing, what does it see?

The master replies: it sees no-thing. That is the true seeing. It always sees.

The answer to all questions is "Mu" (no-thing)

[cckeiser]

Schrodinger's cat mind problem was to illustrate superposition state all things are in before they are observed...not whether or not the cat is in the box. yes the cat is in the box...we put it in there...what was being explained with that mind problem was after we close the lid of the box the cat is will either be alive or dead, but before we look it is in the superposition of being both alive and dead at the same time. The experiment tells us that all matter is in this superposition before it is observed. It only exist as Potential of all the possible states it could be before we look and decide which state it should be in.

The problem we all have in grasping that what we think we perceive may not be true at all is our Ego will not let us. The Ego traps our mind in it's own illusion of truth and tells us We are right and seeing The Truth and everyone else who do not agree are just blind stupid assholes.

You experience the Church a Divine, I have experienced the Church as Demonic.
So in my Reality that is what it is...in doing research about the Dark Ages for my novel The Wizard's Tongue I just found more evidence of how demonic they really were, which confirmed and reinforced my belief an expectations.
If you did the same research I did and read the very same articles...you would not see the same things I saw and you would come away with a different interpretation.
There is no getting away from it...we all see from a different perspective so see everything differently...some times just a little, but some times by a whole frickin lot.

We may never agree of one thing or another, but if we can surrender the Ego and recognize our own Solipsism for what it is, then maybe we can actually comprehend that we really do not know the truth about anything at all.
It's all just an illusion we have manifested in our own minds...and none of it...none at all...is actually true.
It all just made up shite to fool us into believing we can know anything at all.

Realist believe the mind exists in the Universe. Idealist believe the Universe exists in the Mind.

If we examine how our sight works we learn we do not actually see objects as they are, what we see is an image of them projected onto the back of the brain. What the brain sees may not be what the eyes are seeing...just what the brain thinks the eyes are seeing.
And we all perceive differently and from a different perspective...so we will never see the very same things.
But by exchanging our POVs and discussing what we each perceive we can change the other's reality by shifting them from one perspective to another closer to our own. That is what I am attempting to do here...trying to get you to "see" just how evil that church of your is.
I am trying to drag you into my illusion of Reality...why...Because I hate the fuckin' christians man!

[Caesar dude]

I agree with everything you've said there, CCK. I've done a bit of research into this stuff too and the only logical conclusions are that either the Catholic church and it's leaders are all entirely insane or that they are actually devil worshippers.

[cckeiser]

"Just when you think you're out....they drag you back in again!"

I said the other day I wasn't going to go back down the frickin rabbit hole, but damn I just did.
ENOUGH! No more frickin philosophy...you all can just figure it on your own!
Fuck it! I'm going Bowling instead!

[Andrea Da Fino]

"You experience the Church a Divine, I have experienced the Church as Demonic.
So in my Reality that is what it is...in doing research about the Dark Ages for my novel The Wizard's Tongue I just found more evidence of how demonic they really were, which confirmed and reinforced my belief an expectations.
If you did the same research I did and read the very same articles...you would not see the same things I saw and you would come away with a different interpretation."

Well, probably I haven't been able to express my idea correctly: I don't think the church is divine nor demonic; human beings are either divine or demonic, so to speak. Every church in the world is made up by those men and women who belong to it and is as good or bad depending on how they are. The church just takes out what they already have inside.

Everyone knows what the Catholic, and not Christian, church did during the Dark Ages, my point is that Islam and Jews did, and sometimes still do, the same yet I don't see them weighted in the same way. And I hope this is not because the Catholic church usually doesn't answer while the other two usually retaliate when attacked. If you look at history Jews sterminated everyone around because they were the people of God. Everyone and in many cases older people, women and babies too. Muslims still today tend to lapidate people and there are countries where you can be killed by common people for having a crucifix or a bible, or having your nails removed with a plier for having nail polish.

Everyone with a bit of reason and a little knowledge of history can see that the Catholic religion has been completely built up on previous religions, half from the judaic one and half from the pagans with a bit of Mitra. Yet this doesn't mean that all those who believe the story of the Catholic church are either bad or stupid. And if you think they are closed minded try talking with a muslim or a jew. But we always attack the catholics.

I'm not saying that the catholics are all good, they are as good as jews and muslims and should receive the same treatment here. The fact that some swimming teacher are pederasts doesn't mean that all swimming teachers are pederasts right? I just don't like this kind of prejudice against catholics. Also, from an historic point of view, you should have noticed that Catholicism is just one interpretation of Christianism, so much that as a matter of facts most of the times Christianism and Catholicism are two complete different things.

Dudeism is a religion open to everyone, even to Catholics and Christians and as much as we find cool quotes from Zen, Buddhism, Taoism and so on we should find cool quotes from JCD, or the Kumran. Otherwise we are missing the point on Dudeism. If there is a rule it must work for everyone, for a matter of fairness.

So, I dig JCD without the being punched twice attitude (added during the Council of Nicea) while I don't like the point of view of Catholicism or the Catholic church. But I want to stick to the world division of dudes and undudes and only that.

And now we can go bowling. But you pay the beer. 

[cckeiser]

Oops...I guess I should mention that what that all means is...we are all insane!

I've known that most of my life (you're all insane it was never me).

Actually can I add the work of Michel Foucault (I recommended Madness and Civilization - A History of Insanity in the Age of Reason), Descartes (I think therefore I am), the Tao Of Physics  (check out the PDF  Library & Learning Center, Compiling Data For Life On The Self Determined Path), and of course the vast majority of Buddhist and Taoist literature.

There is no mirror, there is no I.

Yo! Thankee for the PDF Library dude! Lost of good fuckin' shit in there dude!