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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2011, 09:07:06 AM »
Yeah well, that's just, ya know, like, their opinion, man.


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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2011, 09:44:40 AM »
Shallow reading of the material she used

Care to elaborate? I didn't find it shallow at all. Pretty much spot on.
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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2011, 09:47:09 AM »
Yeah, it was an ok article, but the problem I thought was that is was covering a lot of old ground.  That is not to detract from the validity of the article in anyway, I'm glad to have it published and read :)

As a veteran Dudespaper reader/contributer, I know a few good places to uncover some of the older articles about Dudeism's feminine side:

http://dudespaper.com/sermons-from-the-sofa-2-female-dudes-and-their-discontents.html/ - An early article by The Dudely Lama on the subject.

http://dudespaper.com/section/columns/strongly-vaginal/ - My good friend Rev. Wendy's column on those ladylike issues.

Take a gander, guys :)
I'm on the road today, but will check them out as soon as I can.
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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2011, 09:50:02 AM »
I'm on the road today, but will check them out as soon as I can.

You're a good man... and thorough!
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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2011, 09:58:45 AM »
But I believe the rev meekon5 put it best with his post on the new bible:

After all, what is a Dude? Well mang, a Dude is not a Dick! 8)

That's true, it is a wonderfully Dudeist sentiment.

Although a more accurate summation of what the bible does already say, in my opinion, is this:

Quote from: New Testament
Don't be a dick,
love Jesus

Quote from: Old Testament
Don't dick about or you'll get a slap!
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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2011, 12:12:11 PM »
If you feel that the article was "spot on" and that works for you then all well and good; if your reading of the movie concurs with that of the articles author then I have to say I am mildly perplexed but not fussed. If I saw the movie as the author of the piece did then I doubt if I would have viewed it more than once.  [I responded to the piece in the comments section of the Dudespaper and here and there on this here forum. Even though I kicked this thread off I feel I have said what I wanted to].

Maybe I need to view the movie a few more times - I have only seen it about 10 times or so ( I know that probably makes me something of a lightweight) but, to me, it is nothing more than a good movie; a modern (almost spoof) film noir. I do not draw much inspiration from it, well practically none, I guess. I just enjoy it for what it is: a good movie (as I said). The ideas that were spawned by the movie are far more interesting than the film. Although, of course, in dialogue, discussion and debate we reference the film it is to be hoped that we will, one day, evolve beyond that. It is to be hoped, IMO, that the term "Dude' just becomes synonymous with 'human being' - y'know.

I guess I am entering a phase where I feel that I have said all I wanted to about Dudeism; maybe I need a break from it. I dunno, we'll see.

@ Ed  wasn't aware of the other articles - read them: a much better read than the article in question.

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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2011, 01:09:52 PM »
"Free time should be used to free your mind and cultivate inner peace. Not to play 'Grand Theft Auto' all day and gorge on snack food," he says.

GET OUT OF TOWN!
YOU MEAN WE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO THAT?!
WHAT A RIP OFF MAN!


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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2011, 06:36:02 PM »
. . . [I responded to the piece in the comments section of the Dudespaper and here and there on this here forum. Even though I kicked this thread off I feel I have said what I wanted to].

. . .

I guess I am entering a phase where I feel that I have said all I wanted to about Dudeism; maybe I need a break from it. I dunno, we'll see.


Just skimmed your comments in response to the article. Durned innarestin'. Will respond about a couple of points later--I'm in Micky D's about ready to go to rehearsal. If you don't have the stomach, wal, that's ok. But you brought up one thing in particular that I been thinking about--that The Dude needs a drug regimen to keep his cool (which also doesn't always work). Wouldn't mind chewing on that a bit more, if you're up to it. Also, I don't think this whole idea of degendering The Dude will totally equalize the sexes with regard to the religion. I'm not saying it can't work to a good degree, just that I think getting rid of gender avoids the issue. I'm a proponent of dual- or even many gendered gods, and I don't think The Dude is one of them. Later, dudes.
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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2011, 12:04:19 AM »
Yeah, it was an ok article, but the problem I thought was that is was covering a lot of old ground.  That is not to detract from the validity of the article in anyway, I'm glad to have it published and read :)

As a veteran Dudespaper reader/contributer, I know a few good places to uncover some of the older articles about Dudeism's feminine side:

http://dudespaper.com/sermons-from-the-sofa-2-female-dudes-and-their-discontents.html/ - An early article by The Dudely Lama on the subject.

http://dudespaper.com/section/columns/strongly-vaginal/ - My good friend Rev. Wendy's column on those ladylike issues.

Take a gander, guys :)

I just read these over. Enjoyable, clever, and good points in both. But, being that Dudely Lama's article focuses on relationship issues and Rev. Wendy's on how to deal with life in general as a female dude, I don't see how Rev. Stella's article using feminist analyses of TBL and religion is old news in comparison. I guess the concepts in the first two are a bit old to me, while the third seems the most strongly vaginal in my mind. But that's cool. There are a lotta ins and outs to living in Dudely fashion, and a lot of different kinds of dudes. The more strands, the better.
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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #54 on: April 27, 2011, 07:06:03 PM »
it's like lennon said. er...yea.
You're damned if you dude, you're damned if you don't.

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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2011, 05:52:27 AM »
"Free time should be used to free your mind and cultivate inner peace. Not to play 'Grand Theft Auto' all day and gorge on snack food," he says.

WHO THE FUCK SAID THAT?

HAND ME THEIR TESTICLES ON A PLATE MAN.

THATS MY ENTIRE LIFE PLAN OUT THE FUCKING WINDOW MAN.
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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2011, 02:28:52 AM »
I can understand, somewhat anyway, why people think of Dudeism as being male oriented, but phallocentric? That's going to far.

Religions tend to be somewhat male oriented. Usually the top person/deity/god/whatever, is either an actual male, or referred to as male. Most people today tend to equate Dude with the masculine, so I can understand where some of this is coming from.

However, I am hearing more and more women refer to themselves, and other women, as Dude. Not very often, but it is noticeable. It's just a matter of time, I think, before this becomes part of the common culture. Maybe then this idea of Dudeism being male oriented will go away.

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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #57 on: April 30, 2011, 06:15:48 AM »
...Religions tend to be somewhat male oriented. Usually the top person/deity/god/whatever, is either an actual male, or referred to as male. Most people today tend to equate Dude with the masculine, so I can understand where some of this is coming from...

That's a very broad brush your using there "Religions". I would argue that the Abrahamic religions are definitely (I hope to prove that this is the effect of Akhenaten's religious reforms changing the jewish idea of religion, but that's the subject of a PhD I think), particularly all the various flavours of christianity (but I count that as one religion, you don't get more than one vote just because you can't agree on what language your holy book should be in, imho) but not all religions.

I think a lot of mistake is made just looking at the phrase "Dude" and assuming it is male, and the use of "Dudette", a practice you will find me shouting against on a regular basis.

Having run a small theater company previously I was impressed by the dropping of the term "Actress" (for female "Actors") and the adoption of "Actor" for both sexes. This I believe we have regularly discussed and the general approach is to refer to male and female "Dudes", though there are some female Dudes who refer to themselves as "Dudette" which of course is their right, and any male Dudes that wish to refer to themselves as "Dudette", I'm sure none of the rest of us will stand in your way.

Little emphasis is placed on the fact that we are very much anti-violence, anti-capitalist, and anti-competition. All these are major misogynistic concepts, and our opposing them actually makes us more to the feminine side of spirituality.

The path of acceptance, and abiding, rather than fighting I think also makes us a more "Vaginocentric".
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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2011, 06:31:30 PM »
Nothing ever changes.
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Re: Shit we need to kick around
« Reply #59 on: April 30, 2011, 09:45:47 PM »
too many words, dudes, too much rampant intellectualism going on here, abide man, have a drink...
and im NO dudette,
hugs and kisses....(eh HEM)
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