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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2011, 03:51:18 PM »
Oh Bondage Up Yours alone puts Poly Styrene at or near the top of Dude anthems.

Quite. Here's a brief overview of Poly (and X-Ray Spex) according to her contemporaries:
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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2011, 04:09:28 PM »
You know, I just don't subscribe to the train of thought that a chick can be a dude.
Well maybe Rosie O'Donnell but in the main chicks ain't dudes.

Not to say women shouldn't have their own category of coolness but it just ain't dude.
The word it's self is gender specific.

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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2011, 06:44:16 PM »
As a chick, I have to say I like the idea of dude not being used as a gender specific term. By keeping it that way, it inspires us all to be more like the dude regardless of our gender.


As for a nomination, I think the Melody Valentine character from Josie And The Pussycats was a great chick dude. The fact that she was played by Tara Reid in the movie is a little funny, but Melody definitely lives in the here and now and doesn't let much bring her down.

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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2011, 07:53:44 PM »
As a chick, I have to say I like the idea of dude not being used as a gender specific term. By keeping it that way, it inspires us all to be more like the dude regardless of our gender.


As for a nomination, I think the Melody Valentine character from Josie And The Pussycats was a great chick dude. The fact that she was played by Tara Reid in the movie is a little funny, but Melody definitely lives in the here and now and doesn't let much bring her down.

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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2011, 07:47:56 AM »
You know, I just don't subscribe to the train of thought that a chick can be a dude.
Well maybe Rosie O'Donnell but in the main chicks ain't dudes.

Not to say women shouldn't have their own category of coolness but it just ain't dude.
The word it's self is gender specific.


Sorry but actually no Dude is not gender specific.

as I've said elsewhere:

I will admit I was around when we where discussing gender politics and the "Dude" word. Can't find links to that discussion at the moment. (Am off work ill so slightly more dysfunctional than usual).

My first term of reference has to be:

Quote from:
A dude is an individual, typically male, particularly somebody well dressed or who has never lived outside a big city. The female equivalent, which is used less often, is "dudette" or "dudess". However, "dude" has evolved to become more unisex to encompass all genders,[3] and this was true even in the 1950s.[4]

I am also probably the first to jump on the soap box about the misuse of the "Dudette" word.

I actually studied the modern French feminists who unlike their American and UK counterparts went in for the study of language and followed Barte and Lacan, people like Kristeva. All who work with the premise that language having been in control of the masculine for thousands of years it is essentially misogynist in nature, it is only at the edges of language where the structurue and limitation break down that the feminine breaks through.

Sorry I lost the plot there for a minute.

I especially like the idea that an Actor is a person of either gender that acts.

I think it is up to us to ensure that the usage changes to "Dude" for either sex.

(all IMHO as usual)

I am also interested that the original article does not expand on his argument, it is just one line. Also it only references a CNN article so is a third party reference.

It has been discussed extensively here on the forum, and as TurboKittie says the idea is to spread Dudeism to everyone and not be exclusive like some of the other religions tend to be.

BTW just in case anyone else hasn't said it TurboKittie, any rug in the place, bars over there, and welcome.
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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2011, 10:04:59 AM »
Welcome to the new Dude Turbokittie.

Yeah I am with Meekon and others in the Dude is not gender specific. Dudeness is a state of being, one that is next to impossible to define in detail. Like enlightenment, you can know it, and recognise it, but you can't desribe it, at least not with any real authority.

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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2011, 06:33:03 PM »
Sorry but actually no Dude is not gender specific.

as I've said elsewhere:

I think it all depends on what era or time in history we are talking about. Let us consider..............

A dude is an individual, typically male, particularly somebody well dressed or who has never lived outside a big city. The female equivalent, which is used less often, is "dudette" or "dudess". However, "dude" has evolved to become more unisex to encompass all genders,[3] and this was true even in the 1950s.[4]

The word dude is an American English slang term generally used informally to address or refer to somebody and was once used primarily by adults but this has become a common slang term used in various age groups.


Ref.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude

My personal point of view is that the use of the term "dude," "dudette," or "dudess" should be the choice of the female form in question. IMHO, they should be free to choose their own title.

But, if this female form is the idea of a "dude," hell, I'M FOR IT! Mark it ten!! .................


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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2011, 06:41:01 AM »
DB I do see your point but why should it matter, it's back to anyone calling themselves what they want, but I don't think we're going to agree on this.

My question has to be why do you need to state what sex you are in your title?

If you meet someone and want to leap into bed with them I don't personally care what they call themselves.

I don't say things differently just because there is a woman in my company

And also Turbokittie may not actually really be a female of the species (no insult there Turbokittie).

It's long been an interest of mine how the interwebs actually break down our surety of the gender stereo types.

Look at complaints that arose from male players on World of Warcraft when an update reduced their female characters breast size.

I have seen the wiki quote but:

...incidentally, "dude" comes from "dandy" (yankee doodle dandy) and dandy is middle english for "fool" or "trickster" so the origin of the word is totally gender neutral. and it also supports meekons assertions that the dude is a cognate with the fool in tarot symbolism...

Addendum -

Sorry the first paragraph should have been the last really, I hate people who start a conversation with "We'll not talk about this any more but my opinion is and thats the last of it!"

I'm not a militant feminist (yes men can be feminists the same way coloured people can be racist), and should have added you are of course perfectly allowed to hold your own opinion on the matter.

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« Last Edit: February 14, 2011, 09:48:02 AM by meekon5 »
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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2011, 11:45:05 AM »
Wow!
To me I've always taken Dude to be totally gender specific.
Like "Guy".

Intuitively it feels like a real stretch to see the term Dude being correct to a chick.
But hey, Whatever......


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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2011, 12:05:06 PM »
Wow!
To me I've always taken Dude to be totally gender specific.
Like "Guy".

Intuitively it feels like a real stretch to see the term Dude being correct to a chick.
But hey, Whatever......



As I said before I'm not trying to be prescriptive.

And we (Dudeism generally) has been accused of being misogynistic in outlook (upsets me a bit but whatever)

I think we are just trying to re-balance things.

I do like the Ying/Yang idea that Dudeism is actually men getting in touch with their feminine (more peaceful) side which is why we don't see many females.

Or it could be the heavy stench of testosterone that reeks from the very pages of this forum.
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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2011, 03:04:01 PM »
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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2011, 04:29:10 PM »
DB I do see your point but why should it matter, it's back to anyone calling themselves what they want, but I don't think we're going to agree on this.

My question has to be why do you need to state what sex you are in your title?

If you meet someone and want to leap into bed with them I don't personally care what they call themselves.

I don't say things differently just because there is a woman in my company

And also Turbokittie may not actually really be a female of the species (no insult there Turbokittie).

It's long been an interest of mine how the interwebs actually break down our surety of the gender stereo types.

Look at complaints that arose from male players on World of Warcraft when an update reduced their female characters breast size.

I have seen the wiki quote but:

...incidentally, "dude" comes from "dandy" (yankee doodle dandy) and dandy is middle english for "fool" or "trickster" so the origin of the word is totally gender neutral. and it also supports meekons assertions that the dude is a cognate with the fool in tarot symbolism...

Addendum -

Sorry the first paragraph should have been the last really, I hate people who start a conversation with "We'll not talk about this any more but my opinion is and thats the last of it!"

I'm not a militant feminist (yes men can be feminists the same way coloured people can be racist), and should have added you are of course perfectly allowed to hold your own opinion on the matter.

;D

I think the whole point (or at least one point) here is that the English language (as in any language I would guess) changes and words have different meanings as time goes by. Example; people would have thought you were fucking weird to say "I smoked some good shit last night" in let's say 1923. But in 1969, people generally speaking, took that to mean you had smoked some great hemp, or weed, or what have you. Don't need to go on, you get my point.

The Oxford dictionary updates the meaning of words often when a wave of change in the usage of a word occurs. Their unofficial policy is more or less "one wrong doesn't make a right, but ten thousand does." The point being that when the usage of a word is changed by a wave in society, they reflect that change in what is seen as the "official book of the English language"...The Oxford Dictionary...........

dude(dude)
Pronunciation:/do͞od, dud/informal
noun

    * a man; a guy:if some dude smacked me, I'd smack him back
    * a stylish, fastidious man:cool dudes[a slang term that came into vogue in New York circa1883, in connection with the 'aesthetic' craze of the period]
    * a city-dweller, especially one vacationing on a ranch in the western US.

verb [no object] (dude up)

    * dress up elaborately: (as adjectiveduded) my brother was all duded up in silver and burgundy

 :) On the other hand, the online "Urban Dictionary" has this to say..............

DUDE: A word that Americans use to address each other. Particularly stoners, surfers and skaters.
dude, I'm like......dude

(Note the leaving out of any gender reference; it just says "Americans" use the word to address each other.)

But here is a point I don't think anyone has brought up; no where in the movie (TBL) is a female referred to as a "dude." Terms such "poor women," "whore," "strumpet," "feminist," "trophy wife," and "slut" are used, but "dude" is never applied or self-applied to a female form.

The bottomline for me is this; "dude, let's get us a lane because with a few beers, a few burgers and some rolling our troubles are over dude."  ;D And I'll roll with a female form any day!!

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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2011, 01:43:19 PM »
As a novice Dudeist priest who happens to be strongly vaginal, I have to say a big appeal of Dudeism for me is its gender-neutrality. Sure, its main figure is The Dude, and maybe a bit more can be done with some of the iconography of Dudeism to include non-sexualized female figures. But overall the philosophy seems to me to be strongly post-feminist, in that Dudeism lacks the history of patriarchy that has tainted a lot of traditional religions. It was always open to people of any gender, sex, sexual orientation, race, or what-have-you.

I don't think we should differentiate between Great Dudes in History and then have this sub-category for Great Dude Chicks. They should just all be Dudes. As a native of the Dude's homeland of Los Angeles, I can vouch that people there use the term Dude in numerous ways, and by no means is it restricted by gender. I can say "hey dudes" to any crowd of people, or say "hey, dude, let's get some In-N-Out" to a chick and it's just another way of referring to people I consider easy going compadres.
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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2011, 03:36:05 PM »
As a novice Dudeist priest who happens to be strongly vaginal, I have to say a big appeal of Dudeism for me is its gender-neutrality. Sure, its main figure is The Dude, and maybe a bit more can be done with some of the iconography of Dudeism to include non-sexualized female figures. But overall the philosophy seems to me to be strongly post-feminist, in that Dudeism lacks the history of patriarchy that has tainted a lot of traditional religions. It was always open to people of any gender, sex, sexual orientation, race, or what-have-you.

I don't think we should differentiate between Great Dudes in History and then have this sub-category for Great Dude Chicks. They should just all be Dudes. As a native of the Dude's homeland of Los Angeles, I can vouch that people there use the term Dude in numerous ways, and by no means is it restricted by gender. I can say "hey dudes" to any crowd of people, or say "hey, dude, let's get some In-N-Out" to a chick and it's just another way of referring to people I consider easy going compadres.

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Re: Some great chick dudes in history
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2011, 04:31:53 PM »
Joni Mitchell should certainly get a nod for great chick dude.  the album 'Blue' has got to be in the Dude's rotation with some creedence tapes.  the song 'california' on that album is definitely one to listen to in the bath tub with a j

 

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