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BikerDude

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Re: Chill
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2018, 10:19:57 AM »
Should say
"As far as the idea that people shouldn't strive to be greater than others is equally loathsome."

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Re: Chill
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2018, 11:20:20 AM »
You make a lot of post saying the same thing and I end up not being able to post again because this forum is having some troubles with maintenance. You keep not questioning your ideas, I'm not doing anything here. You confuse instincts with creations, you miss interpret words to gain leverage because you see arguing as a competition like you see the world as a competition and is, in my opinion a very sad way of seeing things, the world is not a competition, the cat as an instinct of survival, but is not afraid to die. We live trapped by fear and once you overcome a fear you have another waiting and all resides in the ego temptation of immortality, of relevance. I don't know anything, and I always start from that realization. I think we try to be experts because we are scared. We don't want to fell foolish or worthless. We want power because power is a great disguise. Once we understand that we didn't came here, we are not a thing, we are connected with everything, we came out of this world, we are the everything, your anguish attempt to feel connection and relevance fades away, because you realize that you are connected just by being alive, and you should sing and dance while the music is being played, you don't have a single propose, you are the imagination of yourself. If you get to that realization you will drop a very heavy bag. I'm very positive you read everything I just said as a personal attack, it was not, but if you think it was maybe is because you see the flaws on your beliefs. Take care :)

I don't see you posts as personal attacks.
I see your ideas as thoroughly and absolutely loathsome.
I am very familiar with the sort of sickness that you exhibit in full while being blind to it yourself.
You exhibit breathtaking arrogance and want to cast that as fundamentally humble.
You constantly talk about the rest of humanity as being blind to the truths that you are in touch with.
And those truths seem to be the truths of an infant.
That we should all sing and dance and that things like money are just myths.
And no one should strive for greatness.
You are an imbecile.
I am not striving for leverage or competing.
I am reacting to what I perceive as an arrogant child who spouts vacuous nonsense about while positioning himself as in possession of some glorious higher truth.

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BikerDude

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Re: Chill
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2018, 01:30:16 PM »
Some lyrics dedicated to EsmagaSapos
I think you will like them. Right up your alley.

It's all in the eyes of a dreamer
It's all in the eyes of a man
All the things that we've done in life
And all the things that we've planned

Can the world be sad as it seems
Where are man's hopes
Where are man's dreams
Aw the eyes of a dreamer
In the eyes o' the man

All the songs, have been sung
And all the saints, have been hung
The wars and cries have been wailed
And all the people have been jailed

The world it's yours my friend
It's yours to begin or to end
Oh the eyes of a dreamer
In the eyes of the man

Take nothing from nothing brother
And it's all just the same
For the loser is the winner
And there ain't no blame
It's just the end of the game

The moment, is ever constant in the mind
Everywhere I look the blind lead the blind
Here's your chance to step out of time
There ain't no reason and there ain't no rhyme

For the trouble you bring is the trouble you bring
And a thing is a thing just a thing is a thing
In the eyes of a dreamer
It's in the eyes of a man

It's all in the eyes of a dreamer
It's all in the eyes o' the man
All the things that you've done in life
And all the things that you plan

Is the world, as sad as it seems
Where are your hopes
Where are your dreams
In the eyes of a dreamer
All in the eyes of the man
And you are the man


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Re: Chill
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2018, 05:54:19 PM »
You keep not questioning your ideas, I'm not doing anything here.
You assume that no one else has questioned any ideas or beliefs. Just because we don't agree with you or come to the same conclusions, you assume we've never done that. That to many of us is an insult and an attack. You do not know what I, Biker, or anyone has done in our past. You have this idea that your conclusions are 100% true and that everyone else is wrong. The only reason you think that is because you feel you have the Correct Answers. To say we haven't questioned anything could be considered as an insistence of superiority. If I'm wrong about that, then I'm wrong. But you do come off as the type who thinks, "I've come to this conclusion, and you're all wrong."


I'm very positive you read everything I just said as a personal attack, it was not, but if you think it was maybe is because you see the flaws on your beliefs. Take care :)
See, again, there it is again. Biker's beliefs are flawed because they don't agree with yours?



I think we try to be experts because we are scared. We don't want to fell foolish or worthless.
Not necessarily. After all, if I need surgery, I'm not going to ask my neighbor who works in construction. I'm going to ask the expert in surgery at a local medical center.



I don't know anything, and I always start from that realization.
Sure you do. We all know things, and that's how we learn more. But the more we learn, the more we realize how little we know. For instance, you know words. You know how to read. From there, you read books with words you didn't know. You learned those words. But then you read another book with more words you didn't know. Then you learned those words. And so on. We learn just as we climb a ladder: You can't move up unless there's something under you. Learning begets learning. You can't learn without knowing something first.  (I have taught, and you have to have basic skills and/or prerequisites for most things.)



...the world is not a competition, the cat as an instinct of survival...
Biologists may not agree with that. Animals often compete with others to survive. For instance, in the wild, starving animals have been known not to share. Some may hunt in packs, but they will eat as much as they can. Watch any wildlife documentary and you will see animals banding together during the hunt, and often reverting to selfishness as a last step.



Once we understand that we didn't came here, we are not a thing, we are connected with everything, we came out of this world, we are the everything, your anguish attempt to feel connection and relevance fades away
Again, this is an opinion, not a fact. You may believe this, but I do not. This is not something we can prove, but rather it is an opinion. I agree that we didn't "come here" but I do think we are things. (Because of the definition of "thing," we are.) We are connected to this world, true. We are derived from our ancestors, which are likewise derived from the earth itself. However, we are social animals (which is proven fact), so connections don't automatically and necessarily fade away. For example, I don't believe a deity created us. Our natural social urges (as primates) coupled with no supernatural links doesn't make me suddenly eschew all connections and relevance. I may not be relevant to existence as a whole, but you can't truly believe I'm not relevant to my mother.



You constantly talk about the rest of humanity as being blind to the truths that you are in touch with.
And that in a way is dangerous. If someone believes that others are blind because they don't agree with them, that dehumanizes others. That also leads to not honoring others or enjoying discourse. After all, you can't truly hold conversations if you agree with everyone or if you think they're all 100% wrong.

That we should all sing and dance and that things like money are just myths.
Exactly. Money isn't a myth. It's a tangible symbol. You work, you earn money. Money buys sustenance. It is a credit you have in exchange for work. Others buy your time and energy. By you selling it, you enforce the adage that was once shown as "If you do not work, you do not eat."

I am not striving for leverage or competing.
I agree. I don't see how we can compete for ideas. We can exchange ideas, absorb or expel ideas, and we can allow or deny them from changing how we think. But compete?
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Re: Chill
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2018, 11:08:11 AM »
We misunderstand him.
Some call him Caine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2yIkDVs0cA

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Re: Chill
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2018, 11:12:42 AM »

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Re: Chill
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2018, 11:24:20 AM »

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Re: Chill
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2018, 11:36:25 AM »

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