My Community

Site Suggestions and Contributions => General Comments => Topic started by: Adam on October 17, 2018, 05:04:12 PM

Title: Chill
Post by: Adam on October 17, 2018, 05:04:12 PM
Like, you know. Why are you always angry? Why do you throw a fit when things don't go your way? Why is everything an issue for you? Why do you make mountains out of molehills? Why do you second-guess everyone else's decisions, even when they have no effect on you? Why can't you shut the fuck up on and focus on the mission? Chill out, dude.
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on October 18, 2018, 11:12:28 AM
It happens Dude.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/a5d9f7dc-b611-4475-8992-cdb448f726c4
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: EsmagaSapos on October 19, 2018, 11:32:22 AM
Humm, because since the foundations of society one man wants to be greater, more powerful then the other.

His ego tempt him with something he already possesses, immortality. That's why the Egyptians made the pyramids, that's why we make statues.

I don't believe in the intellect, I mean I believe that we have it, and is very useful at some extent, progress or whatever, what I don't believe is the intellect will ever give anyone trued. Intellect is the tool to formulate perspectives, and they are perspectives.

Trued is reality and we don't have a name for it, everything we know was taught to us, is a symbol, a name, a concept, a idea. There are 7.8 billion people in the world, all with different ideas, how can you fell any sense of superiority? How what you know, what you believe is any superior to what the other 7.8 billion do? We constantly try to convince people we are superior subconsciously, I think I'm doing it right now, so why should I need to write this text?
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on October 22, 2018, 08:24:12 AM
Humm, because since the foundations of society one man wants to be greater, more powerful then the other.

His ego tempt him with something he already possesses, immortality. That's why the Egyptians made the pyramids, that's why we make statues.

I don't believe in the intellect, I mean I believe that we have it, and is very useful at some extent, progress or whatever, what I don't believe is the intellect will ever give anyone trued. Intellect is the tool to formulate perspectives, and they are perspectives.

Trued is reality and we don't have a name for it, everything we know was taught to us, is a symbol, a name, a concept, a idea. There are 7.8 billion people in the world, all with different ideas, how can you fell any sense of superiority? How what you know, what you believe is any superior to what the other 7.8 billion do? We constantly try to convince people we are superior subconsciously, I think I'm doing it right now, so why should I need to write this text?

It's about some sense of proportionality.
Not every person who is striving for success is a megalomaniac bent on building pyramids in there honor.
The vast majority of people simply want to earn a living, raise a family and achieve something that makes them and their family proud.
Casting these sort of basic principle in the most extreme light conceivable borders on mental illness.
"Cognitive therapy" is generally used to help people avoid thought patterns that tend to amplify negative interpretations.
You should probably have a go at that IMO.
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: Kanantus on October 23, 2018, 12:13:58 PM
Uhm, did I miss something here? Some context would be nice. I mean... I don't make montains or molehills so what the fuch are you talking about? 8)
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: EsmagaSapos on October 24, 2018, 10:10:05 AM
It's about some sense of proportionality.
Not every person who is striving for success is a megalomaniac bent on building pyramids in there honor.
The vast majority of people simply want to earn a living, raise a family and achieve something that makes them and their family proud.
Casting these sort of basic principle in the most extreme light conceivable borders on mental illness.
"Cognitive therapy" is generally used to help people avoid thought patterns that tend to amplify negative interpretations.
You should probably have a go at that IMO.

Proportionality?
We give the crown to who ever we want to, but I don't believe that anyone born to wear it.
I don't think I'm being extreme, I think being extreme is holding to a concept, that I believe is what you are doing.
I don't consider my perspective negative, I consider it very positive, very open minded, because I'm open to questioning, I don't believe you are, I think you are afraid of it.
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on October 24, 2018, 01:24:52 PM
It's about some sense of proportionality.
Not every person who is striving for success is a megalomaniac bent on building pyramids in there honor.
The vast majority of people simply want to earn a living, raise a family and achieve something that makes them and their family proud.
Casting these sort of basic principle in the most extreme light conceivable borders on mental illness.
"Cognitive therapy" is generally used to help people avoid thought patterns that tend to amplify negative interpretations.
You should probably have a go at that IMO.

Proportionality?
We give the crown to who ever we want to, but I don't believe that anyone born to wear it.
I don't think I'm being extreme, I think being extreme is holding to a concept, that I believe is what you are doing.
I don't consider my perspective negative, I consider it very positive, very open minded, because I'm open to questioning, I don't believe you are, I think you are afraid of it.

Yes proportionality.
You are talking about giving the crown to someone?
And building pyramids?
Why do you inflate every topic to be about megalamania and overblown nonsense about pyramids and other nonsense.
You suggest that normal everyday things like "intellect" are over rated and elsewhere also things mike money and work are just myths.
So basically you suggest that the entire world is misled and mistaken about basic precepts.
That the foundations of society are below your superior intellect.
That all of those other millions of people are just cursed with an ego that blinds them to all of the really great ideas that you are privy to. And that all of them would be so much better if they just (I don't know what?) stood around listening to nothing and feeling their oneness with the universe or some nonsense?
I can not imagine any more conceited or egotistical position possible.


Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on October 24, 2018, 01:27:12 PM
Uhm, did I miss something here? Some context would be nice. I mean... I don't make montains or molehills so what the fuch are you talking about? 8)

I think it's meant as a general comment on "people" with a capital "P".
The "royal we, the editorial", as the dude would say.
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: EsmagaSapos on October 25, 2018, 08:55:07 AM
I don't consider that I'm intellectually superior, my basic point is that nothing is superior or inferior, they are both parts of the same thing, without one side you can't have the other. I don't want question religion, I don't want to question science, I'm just pointing to people that don't want to question there ideas why they should, because everything they think they know was given to them, is not actually real, is a illusion, is a myth in a way, because was made by us, is either a symbol, a name, a concept, a perspective, reality is something you can't name, and we name everything. I'm not against going to work, raise a family, buying a car, house, whatever in fact is actually what I'm doing and I could point the flaws in all that, say we stopped belonging beneficially to this planet when we started thinking in terms of projecting future but I know that was something that would eventually happen, that's why there was 20something species of Homo sapiens and we were to only ones who survived, others more strong didn't, we had the ability to create language, is the foundation of our society, we could now create myths, like money, and concepts that wouldn't be argued, well I argue. I'm not seeking any trued, I'm not seeking anything actually, I'm a total normal person, that have all the considered flaws and I'm okay with it, what I will never do is consider something as a trued and not a perspective. Some of the biggest findings were made by people who questioned things that no one would question, Galileu Galilei for instance.

Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on October 25, 2018, 09:15:02 AM
I don't consider that I'm intellectually superior, my basic point is that nothing is superior or inferior, they are both parts of the same thing, without one side you can't have the other. I don't want question religion, I don't want to question science, I'm just pointing to people that don't want to question there ideas why they should, because everything they think they know was given to them, is not actually real, is a illusion, is a myth in a way, because was made by us, is either a symbol, a name, a concept, a perspective, reality is something you can't name, and we name everything. I'm not against going to work, raise a family, buying a car, house, whatever in fact is actually what I'm doing and I could point the flaws in all that, say we stopped belonging beneficially to this planet when we started thinking in terms of projecting future but I know that was something that would eventually happen, that's why there was 20something species of Homo sapiens and we were to only ones who survived, others more strong didn't, we had the ability to create language, is the foundation of our society, we could now create myths, like money, and concepts that wouldn't be argued, well I argue. I'm not seeking any trued, I'm not seeking anything actually, I'm a total normal person, that have all the considered flaws and I'm okay with it, what I will never do is consider something as a trued and not a perspective. Some of the biggest findings were made by people who questioned things that no one would question, Galileu Galilei for instance.



We didn't "create" language.
Any more than birds created chirping.
It's part of our psyche.
As are most of the basic precepts of societies.
Commerce, money all that stuff arose from the basic activities of human beings.
It's a tool that we use to organize the our activities that center around our basic needs.
It's not more of a "creation" than is the way that coyotes gather at dusk and howl and yap.
It serves a purpose. It's an outgrowth of something deeply biological.
There is not board room somewhere where a group of people twirl their mustaches and plan the future.
People everywhere undertake the activities of "making a living" and taking care of themselves and others around them.
They organize to those ends and that creates the foundations for economy, laws etc.
It is only once someone reduces all of this to the idea that it constitutes "ideas" or "ideology".
It is the manifestation of biological imperatives.
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on October 25, 2018, 09:17:47 AM
This is IMO your fundemental mistake.
Galileu Galilei questioned basic principles.
Galileu Galilei was a genius.
You question basic ideas.
You are a genius.

It wasn't the questioning of ideas that makes Galileu Galilei special.
Nor was it Einstein. Or any of the other great scientists and intellectuals.
It was the content of what they had to say.
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on October 25, 2018, 09:19:13 AM
Money is not a myth.
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on October 25, 2018, 09:22:21 AM
Money is the agreed method used to conduct commerce.
The exchange of goods and services.
You can continue to call it a myth but it is nothing but word salad.
A car is not a myth.
A job is not a myth.
A hamburger and fries is not a myth.

Simply sheo horning the term "myth" into representing anything that is conceptual is nothing but a parlor game.
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on October 25, 2018, 09:26:31 AM
There is a reality and we manifest our relationships with that reality in conceptual ways.
Money being one of them.
The reality is that, for instance, "those who don't eat, without exception die".
Therefore we need food (and shelter and other things) in order for ourselves and others to survive.
Out of those basic biological realities arises a whole system of conceptual realities devoted to certain ends.
The crux of what you are saying is that the entire process that led to economies everywhere are actually just silly.
Fools.
You are way smarter than all of that.
And the world should throw that all out and listen to your fabulous glory.
Eat a turd.
 
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on October 25, 2018, 10:18:31 AM
As far as the idea that people should strive to be greater than others is equally loathsome.
If the point is that people shouldn't be motivated by our lesser tendencies like pride and envy and avarice OK.
But it's a fine line between striving for greatness and striving for being better than others.
I'd suggest that we as humans are at our very most noble in endeavors that strive for greatness and yes even supremacy.
Heroism means nothing?
Being the first to climb everest?
First in space?
Whatever.
None of these picture mean anything?
I can not express how loathsome I find everything that you are suggesting.

(https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/image/image_file/p060215ps-0210.jpeg)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/speedsport-news/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Champion_Celebration_2013_21.jpg)
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/031314fire02sg_90581899.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1)
(http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/aroundthemall/files/2013/05/Hillary-and-Norgay1.jpg)
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on October 25, 2018, 10:19:57 AM
Should say
"As far as the idea that people shouldn't strive to be greater than others is equally loathsome."
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on October 25, 2018, 11:20:20 AM
You make a lot of post saying the same thing and I end up not being able to post again because this forum is having some troubles with maintenance. You keep not questioning your ideas, I'm not doing anything here. You confuse instincts with creations, you miss interpret words to gain leverage because you see arguing as a competition like you see the world as a competition and is, in my opinion a very sad way of seeing things, the world is not a competition, the cat as an instinct of survival, but is not afraid to die. We live trapped by fear and once you overcome a fear you have another waiting and all resides in the ego temptation of immortality, of relevance. I don't know anything, and I always start from that realization. I think we try to be experts because we are scared. We don't want to fell foolish or worthless. We want power because power is a great disguise. Once we understand that we didn't came here, we are not a thing, we are connected with everything, we came out of this world, we are the everything, your anguish attempt to feel connection and relevance fades away, because you realize that you are connected just by being alive, and you should sing and dance while the music is being played, you don't have a single propose, you are the imagination of yourself. If you get to that realization you will drop a very heavy bag. I'm very positive you read everything I just said as a personal attack, it was not, but if you think it was maybe is because you see the flaws on your beliefs. Take care :)

I don't see you posts as personal attacks.
I see your ideas as thoroughly and absolutely loathsome.
I am very familiar with the sort of sickness that you exhibit in full while being blind to it yourself.
You exhibit breathtaking arrogance and want to cast that as fundamentally humble.
You constantly talk about the rest of humanity as being blind to the truths that you are in touch with.
And those truths seem to be the truths of an infant.
That we should all sing and dance and that things like money are just myths.
And no one should strive for greatness.
You are an imbecile.
I am not striving for leverage or competing.
I am reacting to what I perceive as an arrogant child who spouts vacuous nonsense about while positioning himself as in possession of some glorious higher truth.
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on October 25, 2018, 01:30:16 PM
Some lyrics dedicated to EsmagaSapos
I think you will like them. Right up your alley.

It's all in the eyes of a dreamer
It's all in the eyes of a man
All the things that we've done in life
And all the things that we've planned

Can the world be sad as it seems
Where are man's hopes
Where are man's dreams
Aw the eyes of a dreamer
In the eyes o' the man

All the songs, have been sung
And all the saints, have been hung
The wars and cries have been wailed
And all the people have been jailed

The world it's yours my friend
It's yours to begin or to end
Oh the eyes of a dreamer
In the eyes of the man

Take nothing from nothing brother
And it's all just the same
For the loser is the winner
And there ain't no blame
It's just the end of the game

The moment, is ever constant in the mind
Everywhere I look the blind lead the blind
Here's your chance to step out of time
There ain't no reason and there ain't no rhyme

For the trouble you bring is the trouble you bring
And a thing is a thing just a thing is a thing
In the eyes of a dreamer
It's in the eyes of a man

It's all in the eyes of a dreamer
It's all in the eyes o' the man
All the things that you've done in life
And all the things that you plan

Is the world, as sad as it seems
Where are your hopes
Where are your dreams
In the eyes of a dreamer
All in the eyes of the man
And you are the man

Title: Re: Chill
Post by: Masked Dude on October 25, 2018, 05:54:19 PM
You keep not questioning your ideas, I'm not doing anything here.
You assume that no one else has questioned any ideas or beliefs. Just because we don't agree with you or come to the same conclusions, you assume we've never done that. That to many of us is an insult and an attack. You do not know what I, Biker, or anyone has done in our past. You have this idea that your conclusions are 100% true and that everyone else is wrong. The only reason you think that is because you feel you have the Correct Answers. To say we haven't questioned anything could be considered as an insistence of superiority. If I'm wrong about that, then I'm wrong. But you do come off as the type who thinks, "I've come to this conclusion, and you're all wrong."


I'm very positive you read everything I just said as a personal attack, it was not, but if you think it was maybe is because you see the flaws on your beliefs. Take care :)
See, again, there it is again. Biker's beliefs are flawed because they don't agree with yours?



I think we try to be experts because we are scared. We don't want to fell foolish or worthless.
Not necessarily. After all, if I need surgery, I'm not going to ask my neighbor who works in construction. I'm going to ask the expert in surgery at a local medical center.



I don't know anything, and I always start from that realization.
Sure you do. We all know things, and that's how we learn more. But the more we learn, the more we realize how little we know. For instance, you know words. You know how to read. From there, you read books with words you didn't know. You learned those words. But then you read another book with more words you didn't know. Then you learned those words. And so on. We learn just as we climb a ladder: You can't move up unless there's something under you. Learning begets learning. You can't learn without knowing something first.  (I have taught, and you have to have basic skills and/or prerequisites for most things.)



...the world is not a competition, the cat as an instinct of survival...
Biologists may not agree with that. Animals often compete with others to survive. For instance, in the wild, starving animals have been known not to share. Some may hunt in packs, but they will eat as much as they can. Watch any wildlife documentary and you will see animals banding together during the hunt, and often reverting to selfishness as a last step.



Once we understand that we didn't came here, we are not a thing, we are connected with everything, we came out of this world, we are the everything, your anguish attempt to feel connection and relevance fades away
Again, this is an opinion, not a fact. You may believe this, but I do not. This is not something we can prove, but rather it is an opinion. I agree that we didn't "come here" but I do think we are things. (Because of the definition of "thing," we are.) We are connected to this world, true. We are derived from our ancestors, which are likewise derived from the earth itself. However, we are social animals (which is proven fact), so connections don't automatically and necessarily fade away. For example, I don't believe a deity created us. Our natural social urges (as primates) coupled with no supernatural links doesn't make me suddenly eschew all connections and relevance. I may not be relevant to existence as a whole, but you can't truly believe I'm not relevant to my mother.



You constantly talk about the rest of humanity as being blind to the truths that you are in touch with.
And that in a way is dangerous. If someone believes that others are blind because they don't agree with them, that dehumanizes others. That also leads to not honoring others or enjoying discourse. After all, you can't truly hold conversations if you agree with everyone or if you think they're all 100% wrong.

That we should all sing and dance and that things like money are just myths.
Exactly. Money isn't a myth. It's a tangible symbol. You work, you earn money. Money buys sustenance. It is a credit you have in exchange for work. Others buy your time and energy. By you selling it, you enforce the adage that was once shown as "If you do not work, you do not eat."

I am not striving for leverage or competing.
I agree. I don't see how we can compete for ideas. We can exchange ideas, absorb or expel ideas, and we can allow or deny them from changing how we think. But compete?
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on November 01, 2018, 11:08:11 AM
We misunderstand him.
Some call him Caine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2yIkDVs0cA
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on November 01, 2018, 11:12:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7rXlbHtcqM
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on November 01, 2018, 11:24:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm95LcGTqdE
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: BikerDude on November 01, 2018, 11:36:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcR2fw7g2uI
Title: Re: Chill
Post by: Juliatom543 on February 26, 2019, 02:25:58 AM
hahah